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seizure later posted:Dunno why you wouldn't have been rooting for Littlefinger from the beginning. He's the only person who has earned his station rather than been given it by birthright Because when he gets into power he will just go back on all of his promises because King's Landing is in too much debt.
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Red posted:Did you need Dany to yell to Daario: "Create a perimeter around the survivors!"? The fight choreography by the Mereen/Dorne crew is noticeably worse than the northern crew.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:25
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Red posted:Did you need Dany to yell to Daario: "Create a perimeter around the survivors!"?
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seizure later posted:Dunno why you wouldn't have been rooting for Littlefinger from the beginning. He's the only person who has earned his station rather than been given it by birthright He murdered Ros. Fucker must burn.
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Aristobulus posted:Hizdar - that's the guy Dany married right, the high noble? And then he died. Just because the harpies stabbed him does not mean he wasn't in on it. If they had managed to kill the queen, also killing him deflects blame from whatever noble houses he vouched for. But I always read WAY too much subtlety into these scenes, so when he was, "Making sure everything was set up properly" he was probably just taking a dump and was completely innocent.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:31
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I never liked Shireen anyways. YEAH I SAID IT.
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When they pull back from the camp as it starts to ignite there is literally no one around so there is some type of some delayed start incisively device (that all happen to go at the same time) I don't think there is definite proof that Ramsey did poo poo. I think we find out next episode that he rolls up with his crew and sees the already half destroyed army with their King burning his own daughter alive and goes "alright" then high tails it back to his castle. It's really not out of the realm of possibility that Melisandra choreographed all of this. Granted she looks surprised initially so maybe it was done by the Lord of Light or whatever?
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Maxwell Lord posted:He murdered Ros. Fucker must burn. She was a bad investment.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:He's trading Shireen for his army. He can't take out another loan. If he loses this army he loses everything. Winterfell is just the most immediate strategic goal. I thought he could still march back to Castle Black? Then he could just hop on the ships and do whatever, like a nice attack on KL. Nobody will give a poo poo if he "ran" if he can take an actual war goal, which Winterfell is not. (Also then he if really needed King's Blood, Jon Snow had already pissed off the Night's Watch by being nice to the Wildlings; Stannis could have just offered to burn Snow and they would probably have said OK especially with Alliser around who knows his poo poo. But whatever.) Super Ninja Fish posted:Well he appears to be a pedophile for one thing. How old is Sansa now? The actress is 18, coming on to her as an older guy may be creepy but it's not pedophilia.
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teagone posted:I never liked Shireen anyways. YEAH I SAID IT. she was the Walt Jr of Westeros what's wrong with you
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monster on a stick posted:I thought he could still march back to Castle Black? Then he could just hop on the ships and do whatever, like a nice attack on KL. Nobody will give a poo poo if he "ran" if he can take an actual war goal, which Winterfell is not. Davos says that they don't have the food supplies to be able to march back, I'm sure?
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hiddenmovement posted:I had a guy wander up to me in a pub the other day. He knew my name. He recognized me from Kindergarden. I'm 30. Not everyone responds the same way, hell Aya's schtick has frequently involved hoping someone from her past doesn't recognize her, with varying degrees of success; Littlefinger in Season...2? I think, when Aya was Tywin's servant girl, you got the impression like he sort-of recognized her but not reliably enough to do anything about it (and he never got a good look at her but you got the feeling like he felt something was off about her but he couldn't put his finger on why). In a similar situation, the Hound of all people recognized her immediately after barely a glance; you'd think their positions would be reversed. The deal here is interesting since there's ambiguity; is he leering at Aya because he recognizes her from her past, or is he leering at her because she's 12? univbee fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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seizure later posted:Davos says that they don't have the food supplies to be able to march back, I'm sure? He does.
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Meh, Stannis is still supposed to be this brilliant military mind and yet he decides to march in the snow and basically pull a Napoleon.
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YANSEE posted:When they pull back from the camp as it starts to ignite there is literally no one around so there is some type of some delayed start incisively device (that all happen to go at the same time) I don't think there is definite proof that Ramsey did poo poo. I think we find out next episode that he rolls up with his crew and sees the already half destroyed army with their King burning his own daughter alive and goes "alright" then high tails it back to his castle. I actually really like this development. One explanation for all those massive fires going off so amazingly simultaneously would be the goddamn GOD OF FIRE setting them off A scene where Ramsay just goes "WELP THAT WENT WAY BETTER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD" would be pretty awesome.
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monster on a stick posted:Meh, Stannis is still supposed to be this brilliant military mind and yet he decides to march in the snow and basically pull a Napoleon. This is not an invention of the show.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:42
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Ramsay set the fires. They didn't have time to explain it further. Ramsay can also scare hardened armored warriors into fleeing by showing them dogs. This is a thing the show does with Ramsay. There's no need to overthink it.
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Chonchon posted:A scene where Ramsay just goes "WELP THAT WENT WAY BETTER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD" would be pretty awesome. I genuinely want this. Ramsay just laughing his rear end off "Seriously? No one spotted us. Didn't even have to kill anyone. I'm actually kinda bothered by that last part"
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Oh, here you go Professor Booty.
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monster on a stick posted:How old is Sansa now? The actress is 18, coming on to her as an older guy may be creepy but it's not pedophilia. 14 at the end of Season 3. She spent maybe a few months being married to Tyrion, and then he takes her to the vale and is kissing her in Season 4.
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Yeah Melissandre seemed awfully surprised about that raid, I can't imagine that's an act
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monster on a stick posted:Meh, Stannis is still supposed to be this brilliant military mind and yet he decides to march in the snow and basically pull a Napoleon. Well he fixed it by having a monsterface BBQ to keep everyone warm.
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Ramsay is like the characters in Teen Beach Movie where he is aware of the fact he is on a TV show and just picks the things to do that will move the story along and to his advantage such as boasting about being able to destroy an army with 20 good men who are apparently fire ninjas so the telegraphed burning of king's blood could continue.
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Alan Smithee posted:she was the Walt Jr of Westeros She's not really For one, Walt would have done literally anything to protect junior
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zoux posted:Oh, here you go Professor Booty. Thanks! You're just super 
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Walt was a cooler guy at the end of Breaking Bad than Stannis was when he was introduced
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monster on a stick posted:Meh, Stannis is still supposed to be this brilliant military mind and yet he decides to march in the snow and basically pull a Napoleon. Do you mean noted military genius Napoleon? It was a gamble he calculated he had to take and so far it's not working out.
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That masked men uprising scene was so bad from start to finish. Crowd running in circles in the stadium for no reason, attacking one by one when they got dany and co encircled, the total lack of sense of danger or urgency at any point in time, and the final dragon ex machina that somehow perfectly goes after only masked bad guys in a crowded stadium, and also dany getting some quality petting time without being attacked. I interpret tyrion's face in the end as "why did they move me from king's landing where they got decent actors and things happening that make sense, to this shitshow"
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Stannis attacking Winterfell isn't dumb, they have covered the reasoning multiple times. If he doesn't attack now, a very long winter will set in and prevent any major troop movements for many years. By the time the summer comes again, his claim will have lost all momentum and someone else will be happily perched on the throne. It's not that he thinks a long siege in heavy snow is a good idea, it's that it's basically his only option and this is essentially his hail mary play.
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tekz posted:the total lack of sense of danger or urgency at any point in time, and the final dragon ex machina that somehow perfectly goes after only masked bad guys in a crowded stadium, and also dany getting some quality petting time without being attacked. Drogon burns an unsullied in the second group of people he attacks. But yeah that scene was pretty dumb in general.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:This episode proved that Stannis is the best king possible for Westeros at this point. We know that he will do whatever it takes for the good of the realm, no matter the personal cost to himself. He is a true leader and a hero. I love you Stannis Baratheon. This but unironically.
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I said come in! posted:Not this thread specifically, but i'm seeing a lot of people else where on the internet that want to believe very strongly that George R.R. Martin has nothing to do with the new HBO content that isn't in the books. Stuff like Shireen's sacrifice though was his idea. It's just interesting to see some of the reactions else where on the internet. They tend to be different from this thread but not by much. While it's very likely GRRM has Shireen's death planned at some future point that hasn't been published yet, the circumstances surrounding her death are going to be very different for obvious reasons (if you've read the books you'll know what I mean). Shireen's death actually didn't bother me, I found it to be a very moving and sad scene, but the writers handled it well, despite the fact that it seemed a bit rushed, as was everything else this season. I know people hate how slow paced the books are, but a lot of people don't realize that that's what makes the world and characters so compellingly real. You get a much deeper understanding as to why characters are doing the things they're doing and the circumstances as to why things are happening when you actually take the time to tell a story and build a world. Everything in the book is explained in such greater depth, and there is a lot less "well that just seemed like a convenient coincidence for the plot" than there is in the show. In trying to condense two books into this one season a lot of the nuance and depth was lost this season which is why a lot of the events seemed so ridiculous and nonsensical. I know it's fantasy, but in the books, it just felt more real. I still like show, and I admit if they spread the books out over the course of multiple seasons it would have been too slow for most show watchers who just want to see big things happening every episode. The show is the fast paced / simpler and stripped down version of the books and works for what it is. Still, I can't help but feel it's the dumbed down version of the books. It's a shame because they got the first three seasons so right, for the most part. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Gianthogweed posted:While it's very likely GRRM has Shireen's death planned at some future point that hasn't been published yet, the circumstances surrounding her death are going to be very different for obvious reasons (if you've read the books you'll know what I mean), and that's why a lot of people are upset. I know people hate how slow paced the books are, but a lot of people don't realize that that's what makes the world and characters so compellingly real. You get a much deeper understanding for why they're doing the things they're doing and circumstances as to why things are happening things are explained in such greater depth. In trying to condense two books into this one season a lot of the nuance and depth was lost this season which is why a lot of the events seemed so ridiculous and nonsensical. I know it's fantasy, but in the books, it just felt more real. I still like show, and I admit if they spread the books out over the course of multiple seasons it would have been too slow for most show watchers who just want to see action big changes every episode. The is the fast paced / simpler and stripped down version of the books and works for what it is. Still, I can't help but feel it's the dumbed down version of the books. It's a shame because they got the first three seasons so right. People have no idea what's going to happen with Shireen in the books and trying to fanfic out the future of the series is what got people so upset about Stannis this episode.
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tekz posted:and the final dragon ex machina that somehow perfectly goes after only masked bad guys in a crowded stadium, and also dany getting some quality petting time without being attacked. The attack ending as soon as she flies away so everyone could stare at her did seem more than a little lazy though. wyoak fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Cheers to Stannis, it takes a real strong character to take a decision like that!
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EccoRaven posted:This but unironically. Same.
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ErIog posted:Yeah, that's how characterization works. Relying on "well she's a mother!" isn't sufficient as a characterization and comes really close to being a really lazy Did you hear those screams though?
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explanation. Selyse has been shown to believe that Shireen is cursed, sinful, and the living embodiment of her failure to give Stannis a son. Selyse has been shown in the past wanting to physically abuse Shireen. She has been emotionally abusive to Shireen. She has been shown to be a devout believer in Melisandre's teachings, and has been willing to go quite far in the name of following those teachings. These are core parts of her character. These are things they have shown us.
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