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I will not be at WWDC but work a few blocks from Moscone.
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Jun 7, 2015 22:24
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The goonmeet at last year's WWDC was one of my favorite events from it. Makes me sad not to be going this year (even though money + kids makes it pretty much impossible). One thing I'm a little curious about, though. So we developers have an incomplete list of sessions through the WWDC client, since so many of them are redacted. I'm guessing the real schedule is set somewhere, but I'm kind of curious if the employees giving the presentations even know when their presentations are going to be. Or is it just "You're going to be doing the newXYZ presentation, and you'll find out when it is once everyone gets the full list!"? But, as in all things Apple, I'm not expecting a response. Anyways, here's my predictions for WWDC: - iOS 9 - OS X 10.11 place-in-California - Xcode 7 (I'm really hoping Refactor->Rename now will work in Swift) - Swift 2.0, mostly because round version number (or at least, a new, big Swift version), along with a lot of updates to libraries to be more Swift-like (I'm really really hoping for some UIKit overhaul here) - Native Watch SDK - Native Apple TV SDK - The thinnest something ever Not ambitious predictions, but I really end up not wanting ambitious things to happen. I just want good, solid improvements in Apple's software and dev tools. I would be fine with another "no new features" release, for both OS X and iOS.
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Jun 7, 2015 22:32
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There are sometimes last-minute schedule changes, but no, mostly we know exactly when and where we'll be speaking. I'd be happy to get together for lunch or dinner sometime this week; any time but Tuesday lunch or Wednesday night works for me. Just PM me.
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Jun 7, 2015 22:37
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Also at WWDC.
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Jun 7, 2015 23:17
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Axiem posted:- Native Apple TV SDK Would definitely be interesting. I've kinda suspected that the MFi game controller support introduced in iOS 6/7/whenever was a precursor to Apple TV apps. I just hope that if they do release a new Apple TV with a native apps SDK that they've found a better interaction model than the "d-pad + hardware buttons" model found on regular TV remotes and console game controllers.
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Jun 8, 2015 00:05
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I won't be at WWDC but I'll be around if anyone wants to meet up.
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Jun 8, 2015 00:28
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OK, lunch on Simulated fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 04:58
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Ender.uNF posted:OK, lunch on Thursday is the plan. Depending on how many people want to come we have options. I know of several in the mission (KenKen Japanese curry or Mission Chinese) or we can just do something close to Moscone. Who's in? Alas, Thursday I have lunch plans, so I'll only be there in spirit.
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Jun 8, 2015 11:09
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eschaton posted:Alas, Thursday I have lunch plans, so I'll only be there in spirit. The earlier in the week the better for me, as I need to book a flight for Wednesday or Thursday. How about Tuesday dinner or Wednesday lunch?
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Jun 8, 2015 11:33
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:The earlier in the week the better for me, as I need to book a flight for Wednesday or Thursday. Either will work for me!
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Jun 8, 2015 11:45
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Anything but Tuesday lunch should work for me.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:06
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Yeah, our rep at Apple wants me to do a thing Thursday. Voting for near the Center Lunchish.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:17
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Ok ok, checking on Tuesday / Wednesday for lunch.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:39
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I just found a fun new way to break Xcode. I think it was because I called exit(0) while a debugger was attached (don't ask.) It was the last thing I did when this started happening. This app will no longer stop at breakpoints, neither on device nor simulator. Other projects still work fine. The debugger is attached; I can pause and see the fully symbolicated call stacks. I can use the UI debugger mode. I did fuxcode, cleared simulator content and settings (even though this happens on iOS devices too,) and checked for anything odd that changed in the project settings. It looks like I just no longer get breakpoints for this one Xcode project. Ooooooook. edit: After one more fuxcode and a second reboot, the breakpoints now work on the same iOS device but not the simulator. Xcode is out of its mind preparing for the keynote. ManicJason fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 15:40
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Dev center is down for wwdc, so any of us planning testflight builds or a release today can apparently go gently caress ourselves
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Jun 8, 2015 16:00
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UIApplication posted:Dev center is down for wwdc, so any of us planning testflight builds or a release today can apparently go gently caress ourselves I think this is the second year in a row I should be getting an app approved today or tomorrow w00t for me.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:10
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OK, the new plan is Wednesday for lunch. Who's in?
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Jun 8, 2015 16:52
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Works for me
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Jun 8, 2015 17:20
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Same. --- Looks like Yosemite has its Snow Leopard. About drat time. Also, Metal for OS X. Nice.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:30
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Open source swift. drat.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:16
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OBJECTIVE-C GENERICS https://twitter.com/simjp/status/607974485744943105 :D Also, what's this about nullability in Objective-C?
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Jun 8, 2015 19:21
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The nullability annotations have been public for a while, I think, if you knew where to look (i.e. the clang commits list). The primary impact is to change how APIs are imported into Swift. Objective-C generics still have erasure semantics, of course, but yes, you can now write NSArray<NSString*> and so on. (And it's covariant, at least for NSArray.)
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Jun 8, 2015 19:28
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Erasure semantics means that they don't need an iOS9 runtime or anything, right? That's a feature.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:30
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Subjunctive posted:Erasure semantics means that they don't need an iOS9 runtime or anything, right? That's a feature. Yeah. It's a pure compiler play, like Java generics, and for basically the same reasons.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:32
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Does that mean that the obj-c runtime won't know anything about the generic types specified? That'd make me sad.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:53
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I guess adding it to the property attribute string wouldn't require any new runtime functionality and would be enough to be able to to do overly clever things.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:58
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The old developer forums have been archived and replaced with new forums.
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Jun 8, 2015 21:46
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Plorkyeran posted:I guess adding it to the property attribute string wouldn't require any new runtime functionality and would be enough to be able to to do overly clever things. But it's not done at the moment  Obj-c generics also appear not to result in Swift generics, which is a bit odd.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:01
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As somebody who's developing an OS X game but doesn't have a Mac Developer account, I'm glad to see that they've unified the separate iOS/Mac developer programs into one, and now I can sign my game and distribute outside the Mac App Store without having to pay another $99/year or having customers see the "This program is from an unidentified developer" error/warning. Plus:  Metal for OS X . It'll be interesting to see how they handled the fact that Metal for iOS was very clearly designed for systems with unified CPU/GPU memory.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:03
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Doc Block posted:Plus: Yeah this is a big question I have too (and for OS X was my favorite announcement today). Surely it can't only be for Macs with integrated graphics, right?
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Jun 8, 2015 22:24
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Plorkyeran posted:Obj-c generics also appear not to result in Swift generics, which is a bit odd. They can't if they're done with type erasure, right? There's no runtime artifact.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:29
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Hooray for live streamed sessions, too. Platform State of the Union about to start. https://developer.apple.com/videos/wwdc/2015/
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Jun 8, 2015 22:36
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lord funk posted:Hooray for live streamed sessions, too. Platform State of the Union about to start. poo poo. Everyone can laugh at my goofy butt in the front row.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:38
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"Our presentation will begin shortly..." 
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Jun 8, 2015 22:44
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Also, do people actually give a poo poo about radio in 2015? Especially with that demo and the radio voice + radio attention grabber sounds, how is this supposed to be better than vanilla terrestrial FM radio? And no mention of making it easier for unsigned artists to actually get their music in there beyond the Connect thing.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:46
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Lol my company is so hosed, like 90% of our ipad implementation doesn't use autolayout Multitask mode gonna break so hard
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Jun 8, 2015 22:48
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Subjunctive posted:They can't if they're done with type erasure, right? There's no runtime artifact.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:53
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Once again, the iPhone compatibility mode on iPad still emulates a 3.5" screen 
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Jun 8, 2015 22:58
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Plorkyeran posted:The marked type just needs to be preserved for the compile-time swift bridging stuff, not any runtime stuff. We haven't conclusively decided not to import generic ObjC types as generic Swift types; it's just that it introduces some interesting language and implementation hurdles. For one, @objc extension methods on generic ObjC types would not be able to refer to their type parameters in the full range of ways that non-@objc extension methods can. That's a pretty weird restriction, and we didn't really design Swift around being able to diagnose it.
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The number of women presenters this year is a nice change. One day, it won't be such a novelty.
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