Depressio111117 posted:

My main criticism of this episode is almost nobody at Castle Black was wearing gloves. Gangrene's gonna get 'em before the White Walkers do.

Robo Boogie Bot posted:

Tristane and Myrcella are the embodiment of precious, naive teenage love. They'll be OK, right?

Maarak posted:

If a show consistently depicts a character as being bad at something, maybe it means they're not good at it. See also: fandom being confused by the Sand Snakes.

Super Ninja Fish posted:

Who could have predicted the writers could be so stupid? Bobo didn't even see Stannis wanting to make Jon the lord of Winterfell and leaving the wildings in the hands of Jon as good actions. I give him no points. They clearly were trying to show Stannis in a good light this season for the purposes of trolling the audience. I mean, he even marched out to a heroic sounding theme.

It's the same thing they did at the end of last season with Sansa. They purposefully make you think a character is going in one direction, then laugh, and say hah we fooled you.

Neptr posted:

Lol they are so dead

Super Ninja Fish posted:

Who could have predicted the writers could be so stupid? Bobo didn't even see Stannis wanting to make Jon the lord of Winterfell and leaving the wildings in the hands of Jon as good actions. I give him no points. They clearly were trying to show Stannis in a good light this season for the purposes of trolling the audience. I mean, he even marched out to a heroic sounding theme.

It's the same thing they did at the end of last season with Sansa. They purposefully make you think a character is going in one direction, then laugh, and say hah we fooled you.

Robo Boogie Bot posted:

Tristane and Myrcella are the embodiment of precious, naive teenage love. They'll be OK, right?

Maarek posted:

In the show Stannis says that since winters can last a decade in the setting, he can't afford to stop his campaign and wait for spring. He doesn't really have anywhere to go even if he wanted to, he was driven out of his lands and Jon Snow tells him straight up that the wall doesn't have enough food to house his army for much longer, much less the whole winter. Attacking Winterfell is a crazy gamble, but what are the non-crazy options? Give up and go into exile like Viserys?

monster on a stick posted:

Hop back on his boats and attack a useful target, or at least siege a target that actually can be sieged as opposed to one that is already stocked for a long time while he will have no supply lines?

It's not like Stannis has had great military luck so far in the show, as opposed to Robert E. Lee or Napoleon or someone. What he is doing is just plain stupid. Especially when the North isn't even a great campaign goal considering it's now snowed in, has had it's troops depleted due to Robb's war and the Red Wedding, and can't act as a supply base which Stannis desperately needs.

zoux posted:

Pretend that Robert E Lee or Napoleon bought 100% into the religious teachings of a woman who had predicted absolutely correctly everything that had happened up until then and had shown them unexplainable visions of their future victories in magic fire and then was telling them to do the thing that seems bad but God will help them overcome.

Bobo the Red posted:

And remember his great defeat came the one time he explicitly ignored her and left her at home

YANSEE posted:

Guys wait I think we're speculating too much on futile characters who will have no true impact when the impending doom crosses The Wall.

When Dany shows up to Westros Jon Snow tells her about the incoming Nights King and the White Walkers weakness towards Valaryian steel so she takes a look at the Iron Throne (which the Targ's crafted from all the Valaryian swords of conquered kings) and promptly had it melted down into a Final Fantasy like super sword which effectively breaks the Wheel. In the meantime Jon Snow realizes his Targ blood allows him to ride dragons and Tyrion convinces Dany to give the sword to Snow which ushers in the final battle scene showing Snow wielding said sword on his new dragon while butcher-roasting the undead army with Bran somehow mind controlling the other two cause why not. Dany is hot for John and they get married and restructure the empire to let the remaining leaders rule their respected areas in peace (strict no slaves rule though) then as a single flower emerges from the soil letting us know that springtime has arrived The End.

hiddenmovement posted:

Lol no she is going to go mad fom greyscale and hes's gonna get stabbed in his bed by potato kid

hiddenmovement posted:

Lol no she is going to go mad fom greyscale and hes's gonna get stabbed in his bed by potato kid

paperchaseguy posted:

I was trying to go to sleep a few minutes ago and for some reason the enormity of these events finally hit me and I couldn't stop crying. I have no real life friends who give a poo poo about Westeros, so this is basically the only place I have to express these feelings, but I really feel the need to express them.

I would like this thread to be about our personal feelings about Stannis Baratheon, and how it has personally affected us. Just TV-IVing about the details as they come in, or wondering about Westeros' future, and all of that bullshit has no place here. I need to write about my feelings about Stannis Baratheon. Obviously these posts will be mocked elsewhere on the forums, but gently caress em. If you feel the need to say anything, say it.

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Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. He killed his child. We will probably never know exactly what he was thinking. Obviously I did not know Stannis Baratheon. I never saw him in person and never spoke to him. But he represented something very special to me. In such a cut-throat, dirty, dark, often disgusting, business he was one of the good ones. When people talked poo poo about the Lord of Light and the bastards worshipping him, you could always count Stannis Baratheon as the exception to the rule. He was the one you could count to be a true professional who honored the kingdom he loved, who was passionate about it, who proved that you could dedicate your life to Westeros without being insane or scum or a monster. He was the ace in the hole. He was the one who wasn't in it for the pussy or because he was a failed jock or because he wanted to get rich quick or because he saw war as a means to an end. He was in it for the throne. He was dedicated to being the best king he could be, and it showed.

I wanted to be a king since I was a little kid, and one of the very worst moments of my life was a cold night in Flea Bottom when I finally admitted to myself that coming to King's Landing to be a knight had been a mistake. Coming to grips that I was simply not strong or wise enough to be a king was one of the worst moments of my life. The war glorifies the boyhood dreams that come true. My boyhood dream wasn't going to come true, and it was an upsetting, soul-crushing revelation that upsets and discourages me to this day.

Since then I lived vicariously through Stannis Baratheon in a lot of ways. He wasn't a man who was destined to be King of Westeros. He couldn't talk. He wasn't charismatic in the usual way. He was quiet. He was short. The only thing he had going for him was his work ethic. He wasn't a first line heir. He wasn't physically gifted. He wasn't someone who had words come easy to him. But through sheer effort he was able to become one of the greatest kings in history. By 50 years-old.

Stannis Baratheon was only fifty, and he was already a legend on the verge of myth. That's how talented he was, and how respected.

I cannot reconcile in my mind that the man who unnecessarily gave back so much to the kingdom could end his child's life the way he did. I can't understand how a man could spend weeks and months trying to give back to younger guys like Robb, putting forth the care and effort to help them find their place in the kingdom, and that that same man could burn his child only weeks later. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have happened this way. Not for him, not for Selyse, and not for their child.

Stannis Baratheon owed me nothing. But I still feel the loss. I selfishly lived through many of his accomplishments and now feel lost. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that for a lot of us Sunday nights are rocks of stability in a storm of stress and uncertainty. Every week the show goes on. Every week the show is from somewhere new, somewhere in the world, but every week it comes into our homes.


And that will continue. But Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And whether it be insanity, drugs, or just the actions of a clear-eyed monster, what is done is done. And one of the pillars for the guys backstage and one of the pillars for fans is gone. And everything that pillar held up is tainted and dripping with blood.

Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And I don't know how to accept that.

Infinite Monkeys posted:

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paperchaseguy posted:

I was trying to go to sleep a few minutes ago and for some reason the enormity of these events finally hit me and I couldn't stop crying. I have no real life friends who give a poo poo about Westeros, so this is basically the only place I have to express these feelings, but I really feel the need to express them.

I would like this thread to be about our personal feelings about Stannis Baratheon, and how it has personally affected us. Just TV-IVing about the details as they come in, or wondering about Westeros' future, and all of that bullshit has no place here. I need to write about my feelings about Stannis Baratheon. Obviously these posts will be mocked elsewhere on the forums, but gently caress em. If you feel the need to say anything, say it.

-----
Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. He killed his child. We will probably never know exactly what he was thinking. Obviously I did not know Stannis Baratheon. I never saw him in person and never spoke to him. But he represented something very special to me. In such a cut-throat, dirty, dark, often disgusting, business he was one of the good ones. When people talked poo poo about the Lord of Light and the bastards worshipping him, you could always count Stannis Baratheon as the exception to the rule. He was the one you could count to be a true professional who honored the kingdom he loved, who was passionate about it, who proved that you could dedicate your life to Westeros without being insane or scum or a monster. He was the ace in the hole. He was the one who wasn't in it for the pussy or because he was a failed jock or because he wanted to get rich quick or because he saw war as a means to an end. He was in it for the throne. He was dedicated to being the best king he could be, and it showed.

I wanted to be a king since I was a little kid, and one of the very worst moments of my life was a cold night in Flea Bottom when I finally admitted to myself that coming to King's Landing to be a knight had been a mistake. Coming to grips that I was simply not strong or wise enough to be a king was one of the worst moments of my life. The war glorifies the boyhood dreams that come true. My boyhood dream wasn't going to come true, and it was an upsetting, soul-crushing revelation that upsets and discourages me to this day.

Since then I lived vicariously through Stannis Baratheon in a lot of ways. He wasn't a man who was destined to be King of Westeros. He couldn't talk. He wasn't charismatic in the usual way. He was quiet. He was short. The only thing he had going for him was his work ethic. He wasn't a first line heir. He wasn't physically gifted. He wasn't someone who had words come easy to him. But through sheer effort he was able to become one of the greatest kings in history. By 50 years-old.

Stannis Baratheon was only fifty, and he was already a legend on the verge of myth. That's how talented he was, and how respected.

I cannot reconcile in my mind that the man who unnecessarily gave back so much to the kingdom could end his child's life the way he did. I can't understand how a man could spend weeks and months trying to give back to younger guys like Robb, putting forth the care and effort to help them find their place in the kingdom, and that that same man could burn his child only weeks later. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have happened this way. Not for him, not for Selyse, and not for their child.

Stannis Baratheon owed me nothing. But I still feel the loss. I selfishly lived through many of his accomplishments and now feel lost. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that for a lot of us Sunday nights are rocks of stability in a storm of stress and uncertainty. Every week the show goes on. Every week the show is from somewhere new, somewhere in the world, but every week it comes into our homes.


And that will continue. But Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And whether it be insanity, drugs, or just the actions of a clear-eyed monster, what is done is done. And one of the pillars for the guys backstage and one of the pillars for fans is gone. And everything that pillar held up is tainted and dripping with blood.

Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And I don't know how to accept that.

paperchaseguy posted:

Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And I don't know how to accept that.

paperchaseguy posted:

I was trying to go to sleep a few minutes ago and for some reason the enormity of these events finally hit me and I couldn't stop crying. I have no real life friends who give a poo poo about Westeros, so this is basically the only place I have to express these feelings, but I really feel the need to express them.

I would like this thread to be about our personal feelings about Stannis Baratheon, and how it has personally affected us. Just TV-IVing about the details as they come in, or wondering about Westeros' future, and all of that bullshit has no place here. I need to write about my feelings about Stannis Baratheon. Obviously these posts will be mocked elsewhere on the forums, but gently caress em. If you feel the need to say anything, say it.

-----
Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. He killed his child. We will probably never know exactly what he was thinking. Obviously I did not know Stannis Baratheon. I never saw him in person and never spoke to him. But he represented something very special to me. In such a cut-throat, dirty, dark, often disgusting, business he was one of the good ones. When people talked poo poo about the Lord of Light and the bastards worshipping him, you could always count Stannis Baratheon as the exception to the rule. He was the one you could count to be a true professional who honored the kingdom he loved, who was passionate about it, who proved that you could dedicate your life to Westeros without being insane or scum or a monster. He was the ace in the hole. He was the one who wasn't in it for the pussy or because he was a failed jock or because he wanted to get rich quick or because he saw war as a means to an end. He was in it for the throne. He was dedicated to being the best king he could be, and it showed.

I wanted to be a king since I was a little kid, and one of the very worst moments of my life was a cold night in Flea Bottom when I finally admitted to myself that coming to King's Landing to be a knight had been a mistake. Coming to grips that I was simply not strong or wise enough to be a king was one of the worst moments of my life. The war glorifies the boyhood dreams that come true. My boyhood dream wasn't going to come true, and it was an upsetting, soul-crushing revelation that upsets and discourages me to this day.

Since then I lived vicariously through Stannis Baratheon in a lot of ways. He wasn't a man who was destined to be King of Westeros. He couldn't talk. He wasn't charismatic in the usual way. He was quiet. He was short. The only thing he had going for him was his work ethic. He wasn't a first line heir. He wasn't physically gifted. He wasn't someone who had words come easy to him. But through sheer effort he was able to become one of the greatest kings in history. By 50 years-old.

Stannis Baratheon was only fifty, and he was already a legend on the verge of myth. That's how talented he was, and how respected.

I cannot reconcile in my mind that the man who unnecessarily gave back so much to the kingdom could end his child's life the way he did. I can't understand how a man could spend weeks and months trying to give back to younger guys like Robb, putting forth the care and effort to help them find their place in the kingdom, and that that same man could burn his child only weeks later. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have happened this way. Not for him, not for Selyse, and not for their child.

Stannis Baratheon owed me nothing. But I still feel the loss. I selfishly lived through many of his accomplishments and now feel lost. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that for a lot of us Sunday nights are rocks of stability in a storm of stress and uncertainty. Every week the show goes on. Every week the show is from somewhere new, somewhere in the world, but every week it comes into our homes.


And that will continue. But Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And whether it be insanity, drugs, or just the actions of a clear-eyed monster, what is done is done. And one of the pillars for the guys backstage and one of the pillars for fans is gone. And everything that pillar held up is tainted and dripping with blood.

Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And I don't know how to accept that.

paperchaseguy posted:

Xealot posted:

I'll admit that I was confused as to how competent the Sand Snakes were supposed to be. They were introduced as some sort of real threat, in that (hideously staged) scene on the beach. But every subsequent appearance has been pretty consistent with the idea they're terrible, and that their ring leader is a moron.

paperchaseguy posted:

Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And I don't know how to accept that.

zoux posted:

Seriously, I feel like people are misunderstanding just how bought in to Melisandrism Stannis is.

paperchaseguy posted:

Maarak posted:

The beach scene is about how dangerous they are. As in: to themselves and everyone around them.

Hexel posted:

Probably raped first and then dead

ProfessorBooty posted:

Who the hell is taking care of the Stormlands now that Renley is dead and Stannis is using his children as a heat source?

WastedJoker posted:

I agree with you a little but would like to add that I thought that scene showed us that, for all of Selsye's devout faith in the One God, her will/faith wasn't strong enough to stomach something that needed to be done

paperchaseguy posted:

I was trying to go to sleep a few minutes ago and for some reason the enormity of these events finally hit me and I couldn't stop crying. I have no real life friends who give a poo poo about Westeros, so this is basically the only place I have to express these feelings, but I really feel the need to express them.

I would like this thread to be about our personal feelings about Stannis Baratheon, and how it has personally affected us. Just TV-IVing about the details as they come in, or wondering about Westeros' future, and all of that bullshit has no place here. I need to write about my feelings about Stannis Baratheon. Obviously these posts will be mocked elsewhere on the forums, but gently caress em. If you feel the need to say anything, say it.

-----
Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. He killed his child. We will probably never know exactly what he was thinking. Obviously I did not know Stannis Baratheon. I never saw him in person and never spoke to him. But he represented something very special to me. In such a cut-throat, dirty, dark, often disgusting, business he was one of the good ones. When people talked poo poo about the Lord of Light and the bastards worshipping him, you could always count Stannis Baratheon as the exception to the rule. He was the one you could count to be a true professional who honored the kingdom he loved, who was passionate about it, who proved that you could dedicate your life to Westeros without being insane or scum or a monster. He was the ace in the hole. He was the one who wasn't in it for the pussy or because he was a failed jock or because he wanted to get rich quick or because he saw war as a means to an end. He was in it for the throne. He was dedicated to being the best king he could be, and it showed.

I wanted to be a king since I was a little kid, and one of the very worst moments of my life was a cold night in Flea Bottom when I finally admitted to myself that coming to King's Landing to be a knight had been a mistake. Coming to grips that I was simply not strong or wise enough to be a king was one of the worst moments of my life. The war glorifies the boyhood dreams that come true. My boyhood dream wasn't going to come true, and it was an upsetting, soul-crushing revelation that upsets and discourages me to this day.

Since then I lived vicariously through Stannis Baratheon in a lot of ways. He wasn't a man who was destined to be King of Westeros. He couldn't talk. He wasn't charismatic in the usual way. He was quiet. He was short. The only thing he had going for him was his work ethic. He wasn't a first line heir. He wasn't physically gifted. He wasn't someone who had words come easy to him. But through sheer effort he was able to become one of the greatest kings in history. By 50 years-old.

Stannis Baratheon was only fifty, and he was already a legend on the verge of myth. That's how talented he was, and how respected.

I cannot reconcile in my mind that the man who unnecessarily gave back so much to the kingdom could end his child's life the way he did. I can't understand how a man could spend weeks and months trying to give back to younger guys like Robb, putting forth the care and effort to help them find their place in the kingdom, and that that same man could burn his child only weeks later. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have happened this way. Not for him, not for Selyse, and not for their child.

Stannis Baratheon owed me nothing. But I still feel the loss. I selfishly lived through many of his accomplishments and now feel lost. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that for a lot of us Sunday nights are rocks of stability in a storm of stress and uncertainty. Every week the show goes on. Every week the show is from somewhere new, somewhere in the world, but every week it comes into our homes.


And that will continue. But Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And whether it be insanity, drugs, or just the actions of a clear-eyed monster, what is done is done. And one of the pillars for the guys backstage and one of the pillars for fans is gone. And everything that pillar held up is tainted and dripping with blood.

Stannis Baratheon is a murderer. And I don't know how to accept that.

Pander posted:

Gangrene? Maybe you mean frostbite?

Maarek posted:

I believe someone posted that about a wrassler who murdered his wife and son before killing himself some years back.

Justin Credible posted:

"I called for every Maester and healer in the realm, I am at this point a seasoned military veteran who was instrumental in Robert's Rebellion and won some of the hardest, certain-defeat battles in that entire war. With no help from any Red Priestess, entirely through my own grit, determination and skill. I still loved you so much a traveling huckster I immediately recognized as such was selling a snake oil doll in an emotionally manipulative manner which I 'OF COURSE' bought and didn't have the guy killed."

A few episodes later -

"This woman who has done literally nothing miraculous except create a demon spawn with my life essence in order for me to murder my last surviving brother and be a kinslayer and who has never demonstrated any other ability except vague prophecies that have only marginally come true through a want-to-believe filter told me burning my only child who is probably the only thing I ACTUALLY care about in the entire world on an emotional non-duty, non-power, non-sexual level has given me the most mind-bogglingly convincing speech of all time that we won't even hint at because the writers couldn't possibly pen it plausibly is the only way to magically replenish my exceptionally critical food stores and also reconstruct hundreds of tons of wooden siege equipment. LETS DO THIS poo poo, SORRY HONEY ITS FOR THE GOOD OF THE REALM. I will also send Davos away despite knowing I'm going to lose him one way or another with this decision because he has only presented me with logically sound arguments every time he has ever convinced me of anything in the entire time we've known each other."

Bobo the Red posted:

I think after his defeat at Blackwater, most of the Stotmlands likely wound up in Joffrey's control. Which makes sense, since he was the actual Lord Paramount of the Stormlands. At this point, Myrcella would probably be the one who gets them (the king usually passes off his lesser titles)

Justin Credible posted:

"I called for every Maester and healer in the realm, I am at this point a seasoned military veteran who was instrumental in Robert's Rebellion and won some of the hardest, certain-defeat battles in that entire war. With no help from any Red Priestess, entirely through my own grit, determination and skill. I still loved you so much a traveling huckster I immediately recognized as such was selling a snake oil doll in an emotionally manipulative manner which I 'OF COURSE' bought and didn't have the guy killed."

A few episodes later -

"This woman who has done literally nothing miraculous except create a demon spawn with my life essence in order for me to murder my last surviving brother and be a kinslayer and who has never demonstrated any other ability except vague prophecies that have only marginally come true through a want-to-believe filter told me burning my only child who is probably the only thing I ACTUALLY care about in the entire world on an emotional non-duty, non-power, non-sexual level has given me the most mind-bogglingly convincing speech of all time that we won't even hint at because the writers couldn't possibly pen it plausibly is the only way to magically replenish my exceptionally critical food stores and also reconstruct hundreds of tons of wooden siege equipment. LETS DO THIS poo poo, SORRY HONEY ITS FOR THE GOOD OF THE REALM. I will also send Davos away despite knowing I'm going to lose him one way or another with this decision because he has only presented me with logically sound arguments every time he has ever convinced me of anything in the entire time we've known each other."