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FMguru posted:John Cleese's recent book ended with a whiny complaint about political correctness, too. Ah, yes, incisive political commentary from a comedian whose best known work involved cross-dressing and screaming "spam" at the top of his lungs.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:32
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Speaking of which the guy who wrote American Pie was whinging on NPR about this last Memorial Day. "It's the Liberals who are censoring people now! It's totally in reverse from when I was young!"
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Jun 8, 2015 23:35
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Some American comedian did write a fairly personal piece about how difficult it was to develop new material because anywhere you might try it out there's always the chance someone will film a crass or offensive joke and then you get the tumblr brigade after you and how it's difficult to be funny when I'm risking upsetting someone. I mean, I get where he's coming from, but then I look at Frankie "Maddie is an anagram of I'm Dead" Boyle and realise they're all just being whiny shits.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:37
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The only time I hear crying about PC anymore is when people get called out for saying something racist/sexist/something ist so maybe whatever he wanted to say really just wasn't funny. PC hasn't been a thing since the 90s. And neither has Jerry Seinfeld.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:38
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*Seinfeld looking insulted during farewell letterman episode*
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Jun 8, 2015 23:41
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Coohoolin posted:Some American comedian did write a fairly personal piece about how difficult it was to develop new material because anywhere you might try it out there's always the chance someone will film a crass or offensive joke and then you get the tumblr brigade after you and how it's difficult to be funny when I'm risking upsetting someone. I mean, I get where he's coming from, but then I look at Frankie "Maddie is an anagram of I'm Dead" Boyle and realise they're all just being whiny shits. Frankie Boyle owns and I love him even though I'm a bleeding heart skeleton
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Jun 8, 2015 23:42
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Coohoolin posted:Some American comedian did write a fairly personal piece about how difficult it was to develop new material because anywhere you might try it out there's always the chance someone will film a crass or offensive joke and then you get the tumblr brigade after you and how it's difficult to be funny when I'm risking upsetting someone. I mean, I get where he's coming from, but then I look at Frankie "Maddie is an anagram of I'm Dead" Boyle and realise they're all just being whiny shits. Comedians that bitch about this sort of thing don't actually have anything new to say. They want to take a short-cut to humor, relying on age-old stereotypes and offensive language instead of making the material itself funny. That's why George Carlin was the best of the best -- the man said pretty much whatever he pleased and rarely worried about being "PC," but everything he said was said in a way that was both thought-provoking and full of wit. Seinfeld probably wanted to write jokes about Jews not understanding blacks and gays, because hey, who are these people?!!?! Screaming Idiot fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 23:44
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Maybe he had planned on opening with "what's the deal with black people rioting". I mean poo poo you can't use airline food as your shtick for 30 years.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:48
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*falsetto defensive tone* And what about this Bruce Jenner guy, huh? First he's a guy, and then he's not? What's up with that, huh? These people these days! *bass guitar riff, popping noises*
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Jun 8, 2015 23:52
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Frankie Boyle owns and I love him even though I'm a bleeding heart skeleton Just in case it wasn't clear I love Frankie Boyle and the point I was making is that whenever he gets accused of vulgarity or offensiveness and someone tries shutting him down he just doubles down with the most vile rape and disability related jokes he can come up with and it's awesome, especially because a) he's really loving funny and b) he writes really good insightful analysis of British politics and racism and stuff in general, and he'll put his money where his mouth is- when the Daily Mail (the paper that supported Hitler and loves to whip up "think of the children" frenzies while proudly circulating creepy as poo poo "all grown up" photos of pubescent teen actresses) had a right proper go at him he sued them for defamation, won, and donated the money to an anti-racist (or something similar) charity. He's also gone on hunger strike to protest the continued imprisonment of British Muslims in Guantanamo and his latest show had Akala come on and give a really eloquent breakdown of just how loving racist Britain has become. Frankie Boyle is fantastic and needs to get an HBO show or something to swear some sense into the Yanks.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:57
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I'm always amused by comedians who simultaneously maintain that 1) there's no finer thing than people speaking truth to power and there are no scared cows and nothing is exempt from criticism and ridicule 2) except for comedians who should never be criticized or have their tender feelings hurt because that's censorship and fascism and political correctness. Telling an off-color joke: brave and honest and daring Criticizing someone for telling off-color jokes: a-hoo-bloo-bloo it's the death of free speech
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Jun 8, 2015 23:59
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Yes, I'm sure the reason Jerry Seinfeld doesn't perform at colleges is because he's just too edgy for today's teens. As everyone knows, joking about touchy subjects is a complete career-killer, which is why Louis CK is one of the least successful comedians of all time.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:02
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Coohoolin posted:Just in case it wasn't clear I love Frankie Boyle and the point I was making is that whenever he gets accused of vulgarity or offensiveness and someone tries shutting him down he just doubles down with the most vile rape and disability related jokes he can come up with and it's awesome, especially because a) he's really loving funny and b) he writes really good insightful analysis of British politics and racism and stuff in general, and he'll put his money where his mouth is- when the Daily Mail (the paper that supported Hitler and loves to whip up "think of the children" frenzies while proudly circulating creepy as poo poo "all grown up" photos of pubescent teen actresses) had a right proper go at him he sued them for defamation, won, and donated the money to an anti-racist (or something similar) charity. He's also gone on hunger strike to protest the continued imprisonment of British Muslims in Guantanamo and his latest show had Akala come on and give a really eloquent breakdown of just how loving racist Britain has become. I get the sense that his Guardian articles on Nigel Farage  -ing about Mock the Week taking the piss out of UKIP and then  -ing at Miliband and then his article on the new Cameron government's priorities were spot on.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:02
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A skilled comedian can offset any offensiveness in his material with humor, so what he's really saying is, "My jokes aren't funny enough to make up for how offensive they might be." The solution to his problem is probably less "be more selective in choice of performing venue" and more "be funnier."
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Jun 9, 2015 00:05
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Coohoolin posted:Just in case it wasn't clear I love Frankie Boyle and the point I was making is that whenever he gets accused of vulgarity or offensiveness and someone tries shutting him down he just doubles down with the most vile rape and disability related jokes he can come up with and it's awesome, especially because a) he's really loving funny and b) he writes really good insightful analysis of British politics and racism and stuff in general, and he'll put his money where his mouth is- when the Daily Mail (the paper that supported Hitler and loves to whip up "think of the children" frenzies while proudly circulating creepy as poo poo "all grown up" photos of pubescent teen actresses) had a right proper go at him he sued them for defamation, won, and donated the money to an anti-racist (or something similar) charity. He's also gone on hunger strike to protest the continued imprisonment of British Muslims in Guantanamo and his latest show had Akala come on and give a really eloquent breakdown of just how loving racist Britain has become. Yeah. I don't know any truly edgy comedian who complains at all about political correctness. Only tired old hacks. Even Jimmy Carr, who does rape jokes in a way that I think is pretty lovely, just takes his lumps if someone doesn't like them and won't wine about it--and most of those jokes are aimed at men and not women. Like "I bought a rape alarm, because I kept forgetting when it was time to rape people." And he's an absolute liberal, just like Boyle. I don't know any actually funny edgy comedian who isn't a huge liberal in their politics and who isn't taking aim at the power structure with their comedy, even if they hit others too.
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Deep Hurting posted:The solution to his problem is probably less "be more selective in choice of performing venue" and more "be funnier."
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Jun 9, 2015 00:08
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Useful Distraction posted:Yes, I'm sure the reason Jerry Seinfeld doesn't perform at colleges is because he's just too edgy for today's teens. As everyone knows, joking about touchy subjects is a complete career-killer, which is why Louis CK is one of the least successful comedians of all time. Yeah, Louis CK is all the proof anyone should need that PC whining is just the sad crying of people whose material became Irrelevant years ago. Nobody gives a poo poo if you're offensive as long as you're funny at the same time. Simply being offensive isnt comedy anymore.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:11
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FMguru posted:Yeah, maybe improve your act so it doesn't involve punching down at women, ethnic minorities, gay people, and so on? Actually be funny and fresh instead of relying on well-worn offensive stereotypes? lol be serious
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Jun 9, 2015 00:11
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I get the sense that his Guardian articles on Nigel Farage He wrote a great one in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shootings as well. http://www.frankieboyle.com/frankie/free-speech.html Is the Miliband one you're referring to this one? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/20/britain-criminally-stupid-race-immigration Because if not it's very much worth reading this one as well. Obdicut posted:Yeah. I don't know any truly edgy comedian who complains at all about political correctness. Only tired old hacks. Even Jimmy Carr, who does rape jokes in a way that I think is pretty lovely, just takes his lumps if someone doesn't like them and won't wine about it--and most of those jokes are aimed at men and not women. Like "I bought a rape alarm, because I kept forgetting when it was time to rape people." And he's an absolute liberal, just like Boyle. I don't know any actually funny edgy comedian who isn't a huge liberal in their politics and who isn't taking aim at the power structure with their comedy, even if they hit others too. I know this thread is mostly reserved for American media and stuff but just to keep away the confusion- Frankie is not a Liberal, Liberalism in the UK is a centrist ideology that tends to the right economically (although the Lib Dems aren't that bad when it comes to social rights) and "liberals" are your unprincipled hacks who are more likely to complain about Boyle and talk seriously about how we "need immigration control" and that "sure it's sad people are using foodbanks but THE DEFICIT" than actually share his opinions. Boyle is almost certainly a socialist of sorts.
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Yeah, it's that one. "This mug is opposed to its own contents" had me doubled over IRL.
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Coohoolin posted:
How could the Lib Dems ever recover from that coalition thing and that leader they had who was such a soppy wet nothing? But yeah, when I say 'liberal', I mean that both Carr and Boyle are extremely 'far-left' in terms of stuff like immigration, taxation, government services, education. etc. To keep this on American Right-Wing Media, here's an American Stinker article on Boyle whining about his extremely on-target jokes, like these: quote:White Americans have a stereotype of black people being criminals purely because they can’t acknowledge that it was actually white people that stole them from Africa in the first place.... you think it’s OK to say that you killed one of them because he was trying to escape.” http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/frankie_boyle_comedian_glaswegian_and_antiracist_chomskyan.html
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Jun 9, 2015 00:23
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As we all know, liberals shun anyone for making racist jokes. The problem is that people are idiots and don't understand the line. That's why Dave Chappelle quit, that's why Chris Rock had to stop doing certain jokes, because white people thought that made it ok for them to say those things too. You see it with Obama too. It starts off with "I disagree with his policies", then people start joining in talking about his personal life or how he's arrogant, and then comes the racism. Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 01:04
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Obdicut posted:How could the Lib Dems ever recover from that coalition thing and that leader they had who was such a soppy wet nothing? They didn't recover. The new leadership candidate needs the support of 10% of MPs for the nomination. They have 8 MPs. They'll need the support of less than one person. "Alistair! Lend me the support of your legs and torso, would you old chap?". That article is great but I can't read it beyond a few paragraphs without wanting to physically batter whatever presumptuous Huntington-Tourettes second year IR fuckwit didn't bother to look up how to spell "homage" before going on this endeavour of unbelievable arse-spraying mayhem.
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Jun 9, 2015 01:13
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:As we all know, liberals shun anyone for making racist jokes. That's why Boyle's stuff works- no one's going to take his unbelievably exaggerated and extreme jokes about disabilities or rape and use them as an excuse for being ableist or rape-apologists. And when Boyle does joke about racism, for example, it's in a way that is incredibly clear and unable to misinterpret, and he never makes minorities the target unless it's so evidently clear it's an absurdity (like the rape and disability jokes). No one's going to hear a Boyle joke on racism and be able to use it as a justification for their own racism (with the slight exception of anti-Scottish bigotry, but then again joking about the short lifespans up here is more of a jab at Thatcherism).
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Jun 9, 2015 01:20
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This is all reminding me of how Rob Schneider blamed "Liberal Hollywood" as the reason for him not being in movies anymore.
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Jun 9, 2015 01:27
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Ralepozozaxe posted:This is all reminding me of how Rob Schneider blamed "Liberal Hollywood" as the reason for him not being in movies anymore.
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Jun 9, 2015 01:31
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Coohoolin posted:
That's standard for American Stinker. They start off funny until you realize they're serious.
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See I think that some of Frankie Boyles stuff after he left MTW was a bit, well not dull but that it was basically the equivalent of shouting "oval office" at an audience for about 90 minutes. It had a lot of impact and visceral noise and all the rest of it, it just wasn't anything I'd like to watch because it was kind of unfunny due to how he was basically just berating the audience who'd come along. Some of it is hilarious, the whole "Trying to remember his own wedding" bit from mock the week is hysterical, but he just seemed really angry at the people coming to see him, which seemed a little weird. Oh and, what is it about George Carlin? I've watched so much of his stuff and some of it is insightful, but I've never gotten any belly laughs out of it. What is it that people find the most appealing?
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Josef bugman posted:See I think that some of Frankie Boyles stuff after he left MTW was a bit, well not dull but that it was basically the equivalent of shouting "oval office" at an audience for about 90 minutes. It had a lot of impact and visceral noise and all the rest of it, it just wasn't anything I'd like to watch because it was kind of unfunny due to how he was basically just berating the audience who'd come along. This is wandering a bit far afield from right wing media. Maybe TVIV would be better for it, if you can't swing it on back to a right-wing media connection. For content: American Thinker really has some of the shittiest writing ever. Take this article's first sentence: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/06/entire_world_headed_to_us_ann_coulter_denounced_for_noticing.html quote:Of all the people I know in the world of political commentary, Ann Coulter is the most un-ransomable captive to truth, in-depth-study of facts, consequences and her Daughters of The Revolution passion for America. Un-ransomable captive is a terrible turn of phrase, it's a list of four rather than three and leaves off the final comma, and just generally sounds like poo poo.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:This is all reminding me of how Rob Schneider blamed "Liberal Hollywood" as the reason for him not being in movies anymore. And one of the originals pulling that line: Freddie Travolina. I never found him as funny as he found himself (he was always grinning at his own lame material), and his jokes were a milque-toast version of "Airline food - amiright?" Could it possibly be that you aren't getting hired anymore because you really aren't very funny? Nah - must be a liberal conspiracy.
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Carlin's funny stuff is his early stuff. His late-era work is mostly just griping about being an old man who's annoyed by everybody and it's generally not very funny. Listen to Occupation: Foole, Class Clown, and An Evening with Wally Londo.
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Jun 9, 2015 02:27
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He's just a rich old fart who's become bitter that his style of comedy isn't edgy anymore.
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When was the last time Seinfeld was edgy? 1982?
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:As we all know, liberals shun anyone for making racist jokes. Are you forgetting that #cancelcolbert was a thing? And what a hilarious thing it was. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:When was the last time Seinfeld was edgy? 1982? He was kind of bland. Larry David was the man who made that show run.
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Screaming Idiot posted:That's why George Carlin was the best of the best -- the man said pretty much whatever he pleased and rarely worried about being "PC," but everything he said was said in a way that was both thought-provoking and full of wit. George Carlin posted:Bicyclists are faggots. And that's hardly the only time he said human being, or faggoty, or some variation thereof. He would be getting uninvited from colleges today if he weren't a dead gently caress. Not a dead man, a dead gently caress. The distinction is important.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:This is all reminding me of how Rob Schneider blamed "Liberal Hollywood" as the reason for him not being in movies anymore. Yup, that was an amusing one. Clearly couldn't have had anything to do with his movies bombing or anything like that.
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Mr Interweb posted:Yup, that was an amusing one. Clearly couldn't have had anything to do with his movies bombing or anything like that. These conservatives sure love to blame liberals for keeping them down instead of taking personal responsibility for, well, anything.
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