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superdylan posted:Do we have time for another pair of Portland cyclists? This happens every day. Now include videos of cars going into the oncoming lane to get around the cyclist that ends up passing them at a red light.
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Jun 9, 2015 01:12
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superdylan posted:Do we have time for another pair of Portland cyclists?  
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Jun 9, 2015 03:17
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Worth sharing here.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:03
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PaganGoatPants posted:Worth sharing here. I like how the other cyclist just keeps on cruising down the road.. heh.
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Jun 9, 2015 06:00
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88h88 posted:Perhaps but the amount of said ancient old farts sharper than young people is far loving smaller than that of wrinkly old giffers who can't see for poo poo, have reaction times measure in minutes and memory spans of seconds. If you are going to take old people of the road for those reasons, you should also remove all <25 that drive like morons and spend more time looking down their phone than at the road.
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Jun 9, 2015 08:01
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MrOnBicycle posted:If you are going to take old people of the road for those reasons, you should also remove all <25 that drive like morons and spend more time looking down their phone than at the road. I'd love to! The amount of people I see using phones whilst driving is scary.
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Jun 9, 2015 09:44
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MrOnBicycle posted:If you are going to take old people of the road for those reasons, you should also remove all <25 that drive like morons and spend more time looking down their phone than at the road. Ban everyone from driving or riding bikes. Problem solved.
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Jun 9, 2015 09:52
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KozmoNaut posted:Ban everyone from driving or riding bikes. Problem solved. Glass the planet, people are garbage anyway. Just end it all now.
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Jun 9, 2015 09:56
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Protocol7 posted:Just like the old people who slam into stores and go "I GOT MY PEDALS MIXED UP." I have a friend who was sitting in a Starbucks and had his hand broken when an old fogie mixed up his pedals and drove through the plate glass window into the shop, hitting him.
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Jun 9, 2015 12:11
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Mandate the pedals on autos be placed 18" apart. 
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Jun 9, 2015 13:17
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If you're too dumb/old to drive an auto then you should be dragged into the street and executed.
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Jun 9, 2015 13:32
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Powershift posted:Although Uk only gets you an automatic license, and you have to do a road test to drive a standard because they're commie pinko bastards. Just to note that it is not reciprocal. I needed to do the full Massachusetts driving test to get a license as they wouldn't just give me one based on my UK licence. Also if you want to drive the gearbox of the gods you need to prove you are worthy. EDIT: Hmm just checked and it seems you can't convert a US license at all to a UK one so yeah my fiance is going to have fun with that some point in the future Canucks can do it tho so... God save the Queen?
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Jun 9, 2015 13:44
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Count Freebasie posted:I have a friend who was sitting in a Starbucks and had his hand broken when an old fogie mixed up his pedals and drove through the plate glass window into the shop, hitting him. I don't know if you could ever find out, but I hope to God that that old fogie's license was revoked.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:02
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Count Freebasie posted:Over 65, every year. Written AND driving, along with testing for hearing, eyesight, and reflexes beforehand
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Jun 9, 2015 14:07
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Count Freebasie posted:I have a friend who was sitting in a Starbucks and had his hand broken when an old fogie mixed up his pedals and drove through the plate glass window into the shop, hitting him. You mean his vehicle suffered some sort of unintended acceleration? Surely it wasn't him, it MUST have been his auto-car-mobile. All snark aside, hope your friend is okay. That's a lovely thing to have happen.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:53
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Somebody in my two person family hit the garage door last week because their shoelaces interfered with their feet and the wrong pedal was pushed. It was fun whacking it with the sledge hammer back into a general shape, but gave me chills when I realized that it could have been a bollard or person.
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Jun 9, 2015 15:12
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I think those things are more likely to happen when drinving automatics. Especially when people apparently drive using one foot for the gas and one for the brake.
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Jun 9, 2015 15:25
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My wife was actually taught to drive automatic with two feet, under the claim that it was "safer" because it reduces reaction time in a crisis situation. I wish I could have met that clown and given him my opinion on the matter. When we met I had intentions of teaching her to drive manual so she could actually drive my car if it was ever necessary, but she was unable to rewire her reactions to operate the brake with her right foot. Thanks, nameless driving school rear end in a top hat.
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Jun 9, 2015 15:40
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BigPaddy posted:EDIT: Hmm just checked and it seems you can't convert a US license at all to a UK one so yeah my fiance is going to have fun with that some point in the future There's probably a loophole where she can convert a US one into a Senegalese one, into a Rwandan one, into a Dutch one and then into a UK one
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Jun 9, 2015 15:50
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Nah she will just have to get lessons and do it properly before I let her loose on the roads.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:36
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It's hard to imagine how pedal confusion happens, let alone so drat often and amongst people who've been driving a long time. I could see it happening to someone who just got his or her permit.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:44
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Pixelated Dragon posted:It's hard to imagine how pedal confusion happens, let alone so drat often and amongst people who've been driving a long time. Because for a lot of people, your brain goes to poo poo when you get old. I don't know if you're old enough to have to watched it happen yet but it's pretty terrible. poo poo just flat out doesn't work right and at least from what I've seen they never even realize what's going on.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:48
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xzzy posted:My wife was actually taught to drive automatic with two feet, under the claim that it was "safer" because it reduces reaction time in a crisis situation. I wish I could have met that clown and given him my opinion on the matter. Yeah, this is dumb as hell - the only time anyone should use 2 feet is in a manual trans when operating the clutch. If you ever find that guy who "taught" your wife, break his legs.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:27
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Pixelated Dragon posted:It's hard to imagine how pedal confusion happens, let alone so drat often and amongst people who've been driving a long time. There is an actual term for this. I can't find it for the life of me, but its effectively a sort of cognitive dissonance. You are SO SURE you are hitting the brake, but the car is going faster, so I need to hit the brakes harder, and its a feedback/panic cycle loop. Damnit, my googling is failing, but I read some articles and a paper on it right when the massive "Toyota unintended Acceleration" drama ensued, aka 99% of the cases were floormats and people having brain farts.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:27
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I dont do it because I drive a stick but it seems like it would be harder to mix up pedals if you have each foot covering a pedal on an auto. In racing games I drive with one foot on the throttle and another on the brake and ive never gotten anything mixed up. I dont hear about motorcyclists confusing the operation of the transmission with the gas/brake either. What siochain was talking about is potential evidence for driving with two feet being safer - if you have one foot pushing a pedal and youre certain of which one it is but youre wrong then youre going to be more likely to push it harder. Youre only using one leg and thats what your feedback loop is operating on. I guess if youre just sitting there with your feet flat on the floor and then you start flailing your legs about when you want your car to do a thing you might be likely to confuse things. If you keep the pedals covered then I dont see how you could mix them up and if you do mix them up you have another leg to try when things go wrong. Old people are probably just dumb. And as a preemptive counter to  when I say cover a pedal to do not mean resting your foot on a pedal.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:53
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Jesus you kids today. 65 is so fuckin' old, let's make those grey hairs go to the DMV and suck-start the government employees each year. quote:He (Juan Manuel Fangio) returned to the spotlight in 1994, when he publicly opposed a new Province of Buenos Aires law denying driving licences to those over 80 (which included Fangio). Denied a renewal of his card, Fangio reportedly challenged Traffic Bureau personnel to a race between Buenos Aires and seaside Mar del Plata (a 400 km (250 mi) distance) in two hours or less, following which an exception was made for the five-time champion. Now get the gently caress off my lawn and out of the hammer lane, the Snowman, is comin' through!
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Jun 9, 2015 18:05
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Sometimes I'll drive with two feet if I'm in stop and go traffic where everyone is packed in pretty tight. Like sanity said, you don't actually rest your foot on the pedal, so I wouldn't recommend it for the elderly or infirm.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:08
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I just had a flagger get upset with me for trying to proceed, after he motioned me through the intersection by pointing to the left. I asked him "the gently caress? You motioned me through," and he said that he was indicating that I could turn left if I wanted, despite the fact that I did not have my signal on, and turning left would not get me to my destination (I could've worked out my ability to turn left all on my own, obviously). Maybe the problem with construction workers getting injured isn't just because people occasionally speed through construction zones, but also because the people working there are often literal retards who do things unsafely.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:18
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Kids needs licenses at 15 because driving them around is so exhausting and I can't ask the maid to do it she doesn't even drive an SUV can you imagine what people would think if they were seen getting into that car!
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Jun 9, 2015 18:23
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I'm back in car country after living in a big city for a few years and while waiting to get my own I've been a passenger with each of my 65 yo parents a bunch lately. My mom is a great driver, very active and attentive, drives stick (well). Pleasure to cruise around with. My dad is infuriating. He recently bought a truck because of course, tailgates like nobody's business, rolls all over the place in parking lots and stoplights. Just drives aggressively and dumbly. When he used my mom's car to drive us all around, he stalled it out twice in different intersections. His eyesight is still good and his brain isn't mush, he just drives like an rear end in a top hat and it makes me mad. The worst part is, is that I want to learn to drive stick (learned on an automatic and just never got around to it, so ashamed), and my mom keeps insisting that I learn with my dad because teaching stresses her out. But mom he sucks at driving and you know it, let's just make this mother-daughter time 
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Jun 9, 2015 18:25
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PT6A posted:I just had a flagger get upset with me for trying to proceed, after he motioned me through the intersection by pointing to the left. I asked him "the gently caress? You motioned me through," and he said that he was indicating that I could turn left if I wanted, despite the fact that I did not have my signal on, and turning left would not get me to my destination (I could've worked out my ability to turn left all on my own, obviously). Flagger got herself and a couple of people killed for being retarded a couple of years ago. Daffy bitch did it a couple of times to me so I knew what happened when I heard of the accident, but she would work too close to the crew (and she was primary "slow" flagger, not a stop flagger) and would, I poo poo you not, pop out from between the barrels to "slow" traffic down (construction speed for the area was 55mph and open lane) and wave her flag into oncoming traffic. She played pop goes the weasel to someone that locked them up caused the second person in line to swerve over into the dead lane, collected her and two guys (which she shouldn't have been near anyway) and they all went into the back of a flatbed for the chop at 45mph. Of course it was a big crying shame, but next week everybody was at least following the loving rules again.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:30
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flaggers are construction people too dumb to use shovels. think on that.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:32
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BigPaddy posted:Just to note that it is not reciprocal. I needed to do the full Massachusetts driving test to get a license as they wouldn't just give me one based on my UK licence. Also if you want to drive the gearbox of the gods you need to prove you are worthy. xzzy posted:My wife was actually taught to drive automatic with two feet, under the claim that it was "safer" because it reduces reaction time in a crisis situation. I wish I could have met that clown and given him my opinion on the matter. First time I drove an auto, muscle memory resulted in me doing an unintentional emergency stop as I went for a nonexistent clutch, but it doesn't take long to turn that instinct off. I do occasionally catch another pedal while driving, but that's a "big feet in small footwell" problem, not me going senile prematurely.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:40
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go3 posted:flaggers are construction people too dumb to Yeah some are. Poor bastard I saw yesterday flagging... christ almighty. Dude was one of those really fat guys (and this is coming from a fat guy) that can't wear pants, so it's sweats. It's fuckin' 98F out, so it's gotta be 120F coming off the pavement and he's out waddling around trying to control traffic. I'm like thinking I should kick off a case of water for the bastard and have the meatwagon come watch him for the heart attack I know is coming.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:40
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BadSamaritan posted:The worst part is, is that I want to learn to drive stick (learned on an automatic and just never got around to it, so ashamed), and my mom keeps insisting that I learn with my dad because teaching stresses her out. But mom he sucks at driving and you know it, let's just make this mother-daughter time Watch some YouTube videos, steal her car, and teach yourself.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:47
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BadSamaritan posted:The worst part is, is that I want to learn to drive stick (learned on an automatic and just never got around to it, so ashamed), and my mom keeps insisting that I learn with my dad because teaching stresses her out. But mom he sucks at driving and you know it, let's just make this mother-daughter time If you can do better than this guy, you're doing okay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqDR2sWtEho
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Jun 9, 2015 18:54
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InterceptorV8 posted:Jesus you kids today. I know this is most likely a joke or hyperbole, but when you've been rear-ended by a 78 year old guy while sitting at a red light at a 4 way intersection, and said 78 year old is driving an F-150 doing 45+ MPH and you're in a little Contour and he doesn't hit his brakes because he's not paying attention to what's going on, and the impact breaks your driver's seat into the recline position and drat near breaks your neck, you tend to not give a rat's rear end about how great the elderly think they can operate a motor vehicle. I've still got the pictures of the car at home, I may post them later.
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Jun 9, 2015 19:00
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Ozz81 posted:I know this is most likely a joke or hyperbole, but when you've been rear-ended by a 78 year old guy while sitting at a red light at a 4 way intersection, and said 78 year old is driving an F-150 doing 45+ MPH and you're in a little Contour and he doesn't hit his brakes because he's not paying attention to what's going on, and the impact breaks your driver's seat into the recline position and drat near breaks your neck, you tend to not give a rat's rear end about how great the elderly think they can operate a motor vehicle. I've still got the pictures of the car at home, I may post them later. Yeah, the majority of "being able to drive" has nothing to do with being able to control a car at high speed under controlled conditions. Max Verstappen was an F1 test driver at 16, meaning he was a reasonably proficient racing driver well before that; that doesn't mean he should get an exception to hold a full driver's license at 14 or 15 or whatever, because being able to drive a car in traffic is less about high-performance driving ability and more about judgement and awareness.
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Siochain posted:There is an actual term for this. I can't find it for the life of me, but its effectively a sort of cognitive dissonance. You are SO SURE you are hitting the brake, but the car is going faster, so I need to hit the brakes harder, and its a feedback/panic cycle loop. I recall reading an article in one of the big car magazines a year or two ago after the latest unintended acceleration news headlines. It was basically debunking it all. One of the things they mentioned is that every single unintended acceleration case the NHTSA has ever investigated was determined to be either driver error or fraud. A car has never been at fault in any case they investigated.
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