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ErIog posted:Saying they spoke in "broken English," is offensive. since when is this a thing
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TheDisreputableDog posted:And also, Hillary wins here again since she hasn't driven herself in 20 years. Why is the fact that Hillary Clinton receives Secret Service protect a right wing talking point? Is there more to it other than "Hillary Clinton did [thing x]"?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:26
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TheDisreputableDog posted:It's especially egregious when you look at how the "dead broke" post-Executive Clintons bootstrapped themselves back to solvency in a completely ethical way. What was unethical about the way the Clintons "bootstrapped" themselves back to solvency? Granted, claiming they were "dead broke" is one of those things that was technically true, but essentially meaningless, and claiming it as somehow meaning they're "of the people" is the kind of disingenuous, pandering, and condescending bullshit only some faux-rational idiot or rabid partisan could be swayed by. Naked Lincoln posted:Why is the fact that Hillary Clinton receives Secret Service protect a right wing talking point? Is there more to it other than "Hillary Clinton did [thing x]"? Hasn't driven herself => is of the 1%/out of touch elitist => hypocrite/poors should hate her like they do other 1%ers/Clintons are all evil. You know, basic conservative "logic" 101. Feather fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 16:27
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Naked Lincoln posted:Why is the fact that Hillary Clinton receives Secret Service protect a right wing talking point? Is there more to it other than "Hillary Clinton did [thing x]"? If Presidents' spouses wanted protection they ought to be able to bootstrap themselves into Presidential office to receive it.
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De Nomolos posted:I loving hate biker culture. If that's the GOP's new obsession, then it's a perfect marriage. They're up there with the anti-GMO and CHEMICALZ freaks that infest our local left-leaning groups on my hatred list. It isn't new. Bush courted and was supported by Rolling Thunder. I also know that despite being non political Rolling Thunder has pulled out of veterans events solely because Biden was scheduled to speak. Naked Lincoln posted:Why is the fact that Hillary Clinton receives Secret Service protect a right wing talking point? Is there more to it other than "Hillary Clinton did [thing x]"? "Doesn't even drive herself around!" sounds great as a demonstration of her supposed elitism until you learn the background behind it.
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Naked Lincoln posted:Why is the fact that Hillary Clinton receives Secret Service protect a right wing talking point? Is there more to it other than "Hillary Clinton did [thing x]"? If Hillary Clinton doesn't drive, how can I have a beer with her?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:29
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why is this a bad argument? It's not like he struggled financially because he eschewed personal gain to work for a non-profit or something, he repeatedly bought unaffordable (for him) luxuries while failing to pay his debts. Not to mention the suspect things he did, like paying for personal expenses with campaign funds and using PAC money to hire family members. He actually managed to break the law blatantly enough to incur an FEC penalty - this takes some serious effort. It is a bad argument in general to equate personal financial responsibility with national financial responsibility. The two are almost entirely different things. However, when one of your campaign tenants is about how the US should have a balanced budget, it looks very bad when you can't manage a balance budget at home. I think in this case, it is a perfectly good argument.
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De Nomolos posted:I loving hate biker culture. If that's the GOP's new obsession, then it's a perfect marriage. They're up there with the anti-GMO and CHEMICALZ freaks that infest our local left-leaning groups on my hatred list. "Loud pipes save lives!" VROOOOOOOM!!!!!! Which is a bunch of hot air bullshit but they like to be loud and annoying, it makes them feel good I guess. I loving hate those assholes. Perfect marriage indeed.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:32
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comes along bort posted:Nobody's trolled the bbq world like that since Alabama came up with their mayo sauce. Not BBQ, but this post reminded me of this.
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Gravel Gravy posted:If Presidents' spouses wanted protection they ought to be able to bootstrap themselves into Presidential office to receive it. Did she ever even receive protection independently as a spouse? Does the SS detail extend to immediate family as well? Because now that she's running she's eligible for protection in her own right anyway.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:41
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Shifty Pony posted:"Doesn't even drive herself around!" sounds great as a demonstration of her supposed elitism until you learn the background behind it. Good thing the average American doesn't have time for nuance.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:45
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:If Hillary Clinton doesn't drive, how can I have a beer with her? You can have a latte and an arugula salad *folds arms, grins insolently*
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Jun 9, 2015 16:54
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Good thing the average American doesn't have time for nuance. If I've learned anything participating in political forums, it's that few care for nuance. The average person is, frankly, too dumb to understand it and it seems to be the case that very frequently more sophisticated persons are too invested in their own beliefs to have an honest debate or discussion around the issue, kind of like the Sinclair quote, except instead of "salary" use "self-esteem," "confidence," "arrogance," "stubbornness," etc.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:54
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Axetrain posted:Holy poo poo that is just a piece of pork with some Walmart brand BBQ sauce squirted on it. That is not Barbecue, I thought conservative shitters prided themselves on their haram pork eating habits but even here they are totally fraudulent. That plate is a textbook example of traditional Iowan cuisine.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Not BBQ, but this post reminded me of this. What culinary artistic freakshow is this? That chicken drenched in gatorade looks like something straight out of a Ridley Scott movie.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:If Hillary Clinton doesn't drive, how can I have a beer with her? Someone with a twenty-four hour designated driver service is exactly who I want to drink with.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:28
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Arkane posted:The 4 traffic tickets in 20 years was heinous enough, now they've unearthed that the very same recalcitrant criminal has made some dumb financial decisions and struggled to pay off student loans. Pulitzer worthy stuff here. I'm agreeing....with...arkane?!?!?! 
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Jun 9, 2015 17:43
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Great write up of the Iowa event! You're doing the lords work my friend. Seriously though this thread is far more entertaining and far FAR more interesting knowing that there are goon boots on the ground there. Keep it coming!! What's the next set of events you are going to?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I'm agreeing....with...arkane?!?!?! Well, he's right. Stopped clock and all that. Attacking Rubio for incurring traffic tickets is bullshit and not worth the time it took to write about it. Lying about his parents running away from Castro's Cuba and going full retard on gay marriage, on the other hand... Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Arkane posted:The 4 traffic tickets in 20 years was heinous enough, now they've unearthed that the very same recalcitrant criminal has made some dumb financial decisions and struggled to pay off student loans. Pulitzer worthy stuff here. Did you miss the part where he repeatedly violated campaign finance laws?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Did you miss the part where he repeatedly violated campaign finance laws? I think the only person in this race who (probably) isn't violating campaign finance laws is Bernie Sanders. Between coordination with SuperPACs, outright campaign finance fraud, and the greedy, sleazy character of the typical republican candidate, basically everybody, including Hillary, is guilty of some infraction or other.
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Sir Tonk posted:
i sincerely hate Ted Cruz a lot.. just seeing his face makes me angry
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I'm not sure you can completely dismiss his (Rubio's) personal finances, including his student loan trouble, when he is running on a platform that is Personal Responsibility 101. If anything, he should understand how people struggle, but he found a sugar daddy and now everyone else in the country needs to step up and work harder to reach their potential. I guess since I don't have a sugar daddy I'm letting the country down and being lazy. Their hypocrisy is endless.
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Rocks posted:Great write up of the Iowa event! You're doing the lords work my friend. Unless something comes up, a Santorum meet and greet. That will be interesting. After that the only definitive thing is July 17th in Ames, Iowa. Family leadership summit 2015 or something. It has Carson, huckabee, Cruz, Jindal, and Santorum. A lot of this week seems to be an hour to two hours away and I don't have that much time We have tried to find a Hillary event but you either have to pay or be handpicked. I'll pay to see 7 candidates. I won't pay to see one.
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Pohl posted:I'm not sure you can completely dismiss his (Rubio's) personal finances, including his student loan trouble, when he is running on a platform that is Personal Responsibility 101. If anything, he should understand how people struggle, but he found a sugar daddy and now everyone else in the country needs to step up and work harder to reach their potential. I guess since I don't have a sugar daddy I'm letting the country down and being lazy. Rubio earned his sugar daddy through professional connections, interpersonal skills, and family connections. That's no different than earning a fat paycheck for being an engineer or movie star or as an entrepreneur. Part of the reason I buy about one or two lottery tickets per year is because it would give me great joy to tell high power professionals that I made better economic choices in life.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Did you miss the part where he repeatedly violated campaign finance laws? campaign finance laws fall somewhere between jaywalking and public urination in terms of how many people do it vs how many people get in serious trouble for it
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De Nomolos posted:I loving hate biker culture. If that's the GOP's new obsession, then it's a perfect marriage. They're up there with the anti-GMO and CHEMICALZ freaks that infest our local left-leaning groups on my hatred list. Whenever I see or hear a biker on a harley I wonder what they're trying to make up for. There's a biker who lives somewhere in our (downtown-ish residential) neighbourhood who blats his loving harley noisemaker really loudly around 2-3am sometimes. It sets off car alarms. Pretty cool guy. 
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mlmp08 posted:Rubio earned his sugar daddy through professional connections, interpersonal skills, and family connections. That's no different than earning a fat paycheck for being an engineer or movie star or as an entrepreneur. OK
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Jun 9, 2015 18:30
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Joementum posted:Big, if Lou. Where are his loving lips?
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Jun 9, 2015 18:34
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On Ted Cruz's ring, obviously. god i can't wait until i need a new avatar and namechange, i want to forget that boehner ever existed
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Did you miss the part where he repeatedly violated campaign finance laws? Obama was cited and fined a much higher amount by the FEC. Where's the outrage?
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Jun 9, 2015 18:38
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a shameful boehner posted:On Ted Cruz's ring, obviously. Who do you think could replace  ?
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Obama was cited and fined a much higher amount by the FEC. Where's the outrage? Your guys claim they're better and more ethical than Obama. Oh, and he's not running for anything, so there is that.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:40
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Who do you think could replace Dennis Hastert, obviously.
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neonnoodle posted:Leveraging existing family connections and networking is the same thing as working your rear end off to become an engineer. Lack of humor due to hard science degree spotted!
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a shameful boehner posted:Dennis Hastert, obviously. I was thinking about it--people are more aware of Hastert now than they were when he was Speaker of the House.
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Alter Ego posted:Your guys claim they're better and more ethical than Obama. Democratic partisans are pissing and moaning about Republican violations, too. It's one of the few cases where "both sides do it" is actually literally true. The other is "working for their corporate owners."
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Joementum posted:Big, if Lou. He is, of course, the 21st Century's Frank Burns.
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Feather posted:Democratic partisans are pissing and moaning about Republican violations, too. It's one of the few cases where "both sides do it" is actually literally true. The other is "working for their corporate owners." Kind of hard to make a fair comparison without knowing what the specific election law violations are. Is there a handy table somewhere?
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