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Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Yeah, the series was pretty decent all in all. It just sucks that it's pacing is way too fast in the first season and absurdly glacial in the second.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I was watching The Terminator last night and caught a neat little Easter Egg: how did Reese get into the Tech Noir club looking like a bum, carrying a shotgun, and with probably no money?

He sneaks in after the Terminator breaks the bouncer's hand. You can see him looking in behind the couple behind the screen wall through the glass door. Then, after the Terminator moves on and the door girl looks after the bouncer, he darts past the left side of the screen while everyone is staring.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Apr 22, 2015

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake

Based on a quick YouTube videos search, that looks like the door girl. I don't see him in the background behind the fence at all. But it could be too grainy for me to see.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Hockles posted:

Based on a quick YouTube videos search, that looks like the door girl. I don't see him in the background behind the fence at all. But it could be too grainy for me to see.

oh, I forgot my other right. I've revised my post.

Edit: I decided to do a quick screen-cap...




Young Freud fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Apr 22, 2015

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Young Freud posted:

oh, I forgot my other right. I've revised my post.

Edit: I decided to do a quick screen-cap...






thats pretty awesome

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Milky Moor posted:

Yeah, the series was pretty decent all in all. It just sucks that it's pacing is way too fast in the first season and absurdly glacial in the second.

It'd probably work better now since networks are more open to 13 episode seasons instead of 22.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

quote:

It’s no secret that Ars’ own Peter Bright is looking forward to this summer’s Terminator: Genisys, but the film has another self-professed fan: none other than Terminator franchise creator James Cameron.

In a short video interview posted to Yahoo yesterday, Cameron unequivocally voices his support for the film after having watched a prerelease screening. As pointed out in the Yahoo piece, Cameron has admitted that he’s not a fan of the third and fourth Terminator movies, saying that they failed to live up to the potential set by the first two.

For Genisys, though, Cameron is fully on board: "In the new film, which in my mind I think of as the third film, we see Arnold take the character even farther."

Cameron characterizes Terminator: Genisys as being extremely respectful of the first two movies—films which Cameron famously wrote and directed himself. Most significantly, Genisys spends some time in the post-war future world, showing human resistance leader John Connor sending his own father, Kyle Reese, back in time and triggering the events of the first film—sort of, anyway. Cameron originally wrote a similar set of scenes for Terminator 2, showing Connor sending back both Kyle Reese and also the second movie’s reprogrammed T-800 cyborg protagonist, though the scenes were never shot.

The film’s first trailer gave away the movie’s first big twist—taking us through shot-by-shot homages to the first movie before suddenly revealing that the past isn’t really the past anymore—and its second trailer appears to have given the whole game away (unless there’s yet another big twist coming). But in spite of playing loose with the already-tortured Terminator timeline, Genisys does indeed look like it’s going to return to the twin core themes that made the first two movies so successful and which were missing from the bleak and soulless third and fourth films: family and hope.

"If you like the Terminator films," concludes Cameron, "you’re going to love this movie."

Terminator: Genisys premieres in a few weeks on July 1. It doesn’t yet have a formal MPAA rating, with some sources contending that the film will receive a PG-13 stamp and others that the film’s violent content will merit an R.

so uh

this is a thing

Der Luftwaffle
Dec 29, 2008
I want to hope so badly that this is going to turn out like Dredd where some people thought it would be a lovely ripoff of The Raid and ended up being awesome...but even James Cameron's blessing can't undo the plot spoilers.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


It's just an annoying trailer of the sort that condenses the entire movie into roughly 90 seconds. I will still go see it to fantasize about my 9-to-5 being interrupted by a necron invasion.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Der Luftwaffle posted:

I want to hope so badly that this is going to turn out like Dredd where some people thought it would be a lovely ripoff of The Raid and ended up being awesome...but even James Cameron's blessing can't undo the plot spoilers.
To be fair we don't know too much, so I'm cautiously optimistic. Cameron is right in his endorsement/interview: openly outright loving with the timeline is a legitimately novel and interesting direction to take a time travel movie, and the last noteworthy one I can think of that did something remotely similar is Back to the Future 2 (and to a lesser degree, the Star Trek reboot).
Like Cameron said, upending audience expectations in a genre/franchise movie makes for interesting storytelling, it's part of what made Cabin In The Woods work so well.

On paper, the new Terminator movie's premise is really interesting. We'll see how it works in execution though.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

Milky Moor posted:

so uh

this is a thing

This is a combination of two things:

1) Cameron likes checks
2) Someone gave him a check to say that

He probably doesn't give a gently caress about Terminator anymore, he made two kickass movies of it and then every one since has poo poo the bed.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


WarLocke posted:

This is a combination of two things:

1) Cameron likes checks
2) Someone gave him a check to say that

He probably doesn't give a gently caress about Terminator anymore, he made two kickass movies of it and then every one since has poo poo the bed.

You gotta like checks when you are obsessed with making insanely expensive movies.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



WarLocke posted:

This is a combination of two things:

1) Cameron likes checks
2) Someone gave him a check to say that

He probably doesn't give a gently caress about Terminator anymore, he made two kickass movies of it and then every one since has poo poo the bed.
The rights to Terminator actually revert back to him in 2019.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Xenomrph posted:

The rights to Terminator actually revert back to him in 2019.

Does that still happen if the current owners are still making films?

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Rhyno posted:

Does that still happen if the current owners are still making films?
Yes, and it's why the current owners have apparently greenlit 2 sequels to Genisys regardless of whether Genisys does well. They want to milk the poo poo out of Terminator before they lose the rights back to Cameron.

http://www.slashfilm.com/james-cameron-regains-terminator-rights-in-2019/

http://screenrant.com/terminator-genisys-5-6-7-release-dates-2017-2018/

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN
Cameron said Salvation was bad, and then released Avatar. He's not a trustworthy source.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Cameron said Salvation was bad, and then released Avatar. He's not a trustworthy source.
Abadah.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Cameron said Salvation was bad, and then released Avatar. He's not a trustworthy source.

And this was after he recommended Sam Worthington to the filmmakers of Salvation.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Xenomrph posted:

To be fair we don't know too much, so I'm cautiously optimistic. Cameron is right in his endorsement/interview: openly outright loving with the timeline is a legitimately novel and interesting direction to take a time travel movie, and the last noteworthy one I can think of that did something remotely similar is Back to the Future 2 (and to a lesser degree, the Star Trek reboot).
Like Cameron said, upending audience expectations in a genre/franchise movie makes for interesting storytelling, it's part of what made Cabin In The Woods work so well.

On paper, the new Terminator movie's premise is really interesting. We'll see how it works in execution though.

Absolutely agree. I'd much rather an experimental failure that at least tried to do something interesting, than some bland, unmemorable piece of crap, forgotten almost before your rear end is off the cinema seat as the credits start to roll.

The trailers don't exactly look great to me, but lovely trailers alone are no reason to right off a movie.

Although as for Cameron's praises:

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Cameron said Salvation was bad, and then released Avatar. He's not a trustworthy source.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
Well Cameron also had good things to say about T3 way back when. He didn't overwhelm it with praise, but he was like 'yeah this is a good movie you should totally see it'.

This feels like much more of a deal where they know it's in trouble so need to get the nerds on their side. He might as well be winking when he says it.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
I'm sure this was at least partially my fault for not paying attention but somehow I thought this movie had been released a few weeks ago, and I was already in "oh well, I'll catch it on-demand" mode. I think it has something to do with the overly revealing trailers and the fact that they were running them months before the actual release of the movie. It felt like the marketing campaign was ramping up for a imminent release, but that was like three weeks ago.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

Basebf555 posted:

I'm sure this was at least partially my fault for not paying attention but somehow I thought this movie had been released a few weeks ago, and I was already in "oh well, I'll catch it on-demand" mode. I think it has something to do with the overly revealing trailers and the fact that they were running them months before the actual release of the movie. It felt like the marketing campaign was ramping up for a imminent release, but that was like three weeks ago.

The twist is gonna be that all the footage from the trailers is from the first 30 minutes of the movie.

And it's 150 minutes long. :unsmigghh:

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


DrVenkman posted:

Well Cameron also had good things to say about T3 way back when. He didn't overwhelm it with praise, but he was like 'yeah this is a good movie you should totally see it'.

This feels like much more of a deal where they know it's in trouble so need to get the nerds on their side. He might as well be winking when he says it.

What does anyone suppose James Cameron is going to say?

"James Cameron what do you think of the new Terminator move?"
"It's poo poo, really. Next question."

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

What does anyone suppose James Cameron is going to say?

"James Cameron what do you think of the new Terminator move?"
"It's poo poo, really. Next question."

It would be a refreshing change.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
Personally, it's difficult to take Cameron seriously these days as he hasn't made a great movie since True Lies in 1994. It's easy for trailers to get the tone of the movie wrong, but watching the trailers has me a bit nervous.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.
I hope that Genesis-endorsement got Cameron enough money to built a submarine that can dive deeper than he ever dove before.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

What does anyone suppose James Cameron is going to say?

"James Cameron what do you think of the new Terminator move?"
"It's poo poo, really. Next question."

He used to say stuff like that, but took a turn 10 years ago where he just compliments anything anyone does after him when it comes out, then says it's not good later.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Personally, it's difficult to take Cameron seriously these days as he hasn't made a great movie since True Lies in 1994.

At the very least, Titanic is amazing.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

computer parts posted:

At the very least, Titanic is amazing.

Even so, we're coming up on 20 years since Titanic. As someone who loves his earlier stuff I wish he hadn't wasted so much of his time in the past decade on Avatar and various tech projects.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
James Cameron, Ridley Scott will always have my big summer movie dollars.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Personally, it's difficult to take Cameron seriously these days as he hasn't made a great movie since Terminator 2 in 1991. It's easy for trailers to get the tone of the movie wrong, but watching the trailers has me a bit nervous.

FTFY. I watched True Lies recently on FX and, man, does it not hold up.

Terminator 2, however, is still awesome and an awesome finale to the series.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
True Lies is certainly no T2, Aliens, or even The Abyss but I think its still a really fun ride. I think it does hold up because of how ridiculous it was in the first place, its not like there was ever a time when True Lies was supposed to be serious.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
James Cameron made a couple visually interesting sci fi movies decades ago. There's no reason to take his opinion on the new Terminator abortion seriously.

The new movie will almost certainly be terrible for the same reason all these movies are terrible: it's being sold on weightless CGI action set pieces and super meta nostalgia fan service.

It's practically a guarantee that any movie franchise that goes beyond a couple films is going to be terrible. The growth of Internet fandome ruined blockbuster movies by creating a pool of idiots who will pay to see objectively terrible films purely because of their branding.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Helsing posted:

The growth of Internet fandome ruined blockbuster movies by creating a pool of idiots who will pay to see objectively terrible films purely because of their branding.

The Thin Man (1934)
After the Thin Man (1936)
Another Thin Man (1939)
Shadow of the Thin Man (1941)
The Thin Man Goes Home (1945)
Song of the Thin Man (1947)

Come on dude. Let's not blame the internet.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
See also: the way Universal ran their monster franchises completely into the ground in only a single decade to the point that they had to start making them into straight-up comedies.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Helsing posted:

The new movie will almost certainly be terrible for the same reason all these movies are terrible: it's being sold on weightless CGI action set pieces and super meta nostalgia fan service.
Are you kidding? The movie's premise is that it subverts and upends the nostalgia and set pieces of the first movie. There could be fault to be found with the execution or acting or effects or whatever, but the movie's problem is not "fan service nostalgia".

quote:

It's practically a guarantee that any movie franchise that goes beyond a couple films is going to be terrible. The growth of Internet fandome ruined blockbuster movies by creating a pool of idiots who will pay to see objectively terrible films purely because of their branding.
There have been a bunch of franchises where later movies were better than earlier ones. Saw 6, the entire Fast & Furious franchise, Final Destination 5, Freddy vs Jason, Mission Impossible series, ostensibly Jurassic World, Star Trek reboot, Transformers 4, Casino Royale and Skyfall, that's just off the top of my head.

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake

So, I saw the newest trailer last night, and it even has Sarah state the plot twist outright. It made me so irrationally angry, and my fiance didn't understand why. So I basically made the comparison that it would be like if the Sixth Sense trailer said that Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

The Thin Man (1934)
After the Thin Man (1936)
Another Thin Man (1939)
Shadow of the Thin Man (1941)
The Thin Man Goes Home (1945)
Song of the Thin Man (1947)

Come on dude. Let's not blame the internet.

Basebf555 posted:

See also: the way Universal ran their monster franchises completely into the ground in only a single decade to the point that they had to start making them into straight-up comedies.

Those movies were treated as light and silly entertainment whereas contemporary cinema is one of, if not the, dominant mode of storytelling in our society and is taken much more seriously by middlebrow commentators.

Sure there have always been dumb movie franchises but the way that those dumb movie franchises exist right now seems inextricably tied up in how the internet, and the fan communities it hosts, are integrated into marketing strategies. I guess it's fair to point out that these fan communities existed before the internet but in their current incarnation they are inseparable from it.


Xenomrph posted:

Are you kidding? The movie's premise is that it subverts and upends the nostalgia and set pieces of the first movie. There could be fault to be found with the execution or acting or effects or whatever, but the movie's problem is not "fan service nostalgia".

I find this about as plausible as when somebody claims that an rear end kicking woman in a 34DD chainmail bikini is an example of subversive female empowerment. That trailer is a long list of callback lines. Maybe the screen writer tells himself he's writing a brilliant post modern deconstruction of Terminator but I'm pretty sure the producers behind this movie, i.e. the people who actually pull the strings, are banking on people seeing this turd because they have fond memories of growing up watching Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.

quote:

There have been a bunch of franchises where later movies were better than earlier ones. Saw 6, the entire Fast & Furious franchise, Final Destination 5, Freddy vs Jason, Mission Impossible series, ostensibly Jurassic World, Star Trek reboot, Transformers 4, Casino Royale and Skyfall, that's just off the top of my head.

lol

Hockles posted:

So, I saw the newest trailer last night, and it even has Sarah state the plot twist outright. It made me so irrationally angry, and my fiance didn't understand why. So I basically made the comparison that it would be like if the Sixth Sense trailer said that Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

You should be grateful they saved you whatever amount of money you were at risk of spending on a movie ticket.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Xenomrph posted:

There have been a bunch of franchises where later movies were better than earlier ones.

quote:

Saw 6 ... Final Destination 5, Freddy vs Jason ... Transformers 4 ... Skyfall

:laffo:

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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Helsing posted:

I find this about as plausible as when somebody claims that an rear end kicking woman in a 34DD chainmail bikini is an example of subversive female empowerment. That trailer is a long list of callback lines. Maybe the screen writer tells himself he's writing a brilliant post modern deconstruction of Terminator but I'm pretty sure the producers behind this movie, i.e. the people who actually pull the strings, are banking on people seeing this turd because they have fond memories of growing up watching Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.


lol
You might not be aware of it, but neither of those comments actually refuted anything I said.



Every one of the movies I listed is a "franchise" movie, and is outright better than earlier movies in the franchise. Saying "every franchise inevitably nosedives and never recovers" is objectively false, not to mention it's a meaningless logical fallacy anyway.

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