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Chucks predicament is extra cool because he can make all the dumbass twitter accounts he wants but he can't do the one thing he wants to do with them: make chuck c johnson famous
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He should just start a conservative twitter, like reaganbook. He could call it "bitter" and allow 1488 characters per post.
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Jun 11, 2015 19:48
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There was a Stand Up Comedy thread around here for a while but I can't find it. I think it died. They discussed a lot of this stuff and actually turned me on to some comedians I'd never heard of. If we can find it again I think it'd make for an interesting discussion. I'm not saying the Seinfeld thing is a derail because I think it's relevant to this thread but I wish I could find it. Related: what's been weird is watching how FOX and company have handled the Cosby allegations. On one hand, he's black but he's also "one of the good ones" and works clean. Normally, "black guy raping white women" would be a story they'd jump on and beat to death but Bill's been telling young blacks to pull up their pants and stuff for years so there doesn't seem to be any way to spin into their agenda. Also, Sean Hannity's "Let Freedom Ring" or "reign" or whatever it's called is pretty awful opening music but I get more pissed off at Rush using The Pretenders' "Back to Ohio" or Prince's "Sign O the Times" than I do with the cheesy stuff because I'm pretty that Prince and Chrissy Hynde loathe Rush loving Limbaugh and he's ruining these songs. "Back to Ohio" is probably better known as "Rush Limbaugh Theme" than a Pretenders song and that's gotta suck.
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Jun 11, 2015 19:50
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BiggerBoat posted:Nothing from what I can tell. Because, again, it is not about actually being edgy. People have talked more about seinfeld in the last week than in the last 5 years combined. You complain about the PC police and you will get coverage.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:06
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BiggerBoat posted:I love edgy and offensive comedy, so long as it's funny. I love Sam Kinison, Eddie Murphy and even think Dice is OK because, to me, he's lampooning a character/stereotype. A lot of this material hasn't aged too well, particularly the human being and AIDS jokes, and admittedly it's almost shocking to listen to. I love Jim Jeffries, Bill Burr, Lewis Black, Richard Pryor, Howard Stern, Chris Rock, Lisa Lampinelli, Bill Hicks, Sarah Silverman etc. even though they often cross a line. Edgy comedians inherently cross lines, and if they are funny they get huge amounts of leeway with all kinds of people. Carlin said a ton of poo poo right on the edge and a couple times crossed over into saying something stupid and just offensive, but he gets away with it because unless you only saw the offensive bit, you can understand the greater point. Edgy can be great because they may address poo poo no one else is, and are all the funnier for it.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:06
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I legitimately haven't seen it, is there are 'greater point' to the "black people and niggers" bit?
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Jun 11, 2015 20:10
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BiggerBoat posted:Also, Sean Hannity's "Let Freedom Ring" or "reign" or whatever it's called is pretty awful opening music but I get more pissed off at Rush using The Pretenders' "Back to Ohio" or Prince's "Sign O the Times" than I do with the cheesy stuff because I'm pretty that Prince and Chrissy Hynde loathe Rush loving Limbaugh and he's ruining these songs. "Back to Ohio" is probably better known as "Rush Limbaugh Theme" than a Pretenders song and that's gotta suck. 'Back to Ohio" is about my hometown and about a mall I used to frequent as a kid. Kind of odd in retrospect. I don't know, I'm a sucker for really well done offensive/dark jokes...as long as they're like I said...well done. Don't half rear end it. "AddaDickToMe" is not funny, it's lazy. Calling someone a "human being" is also lazy. Don Rickles, Patrice O'Neal and a few others are examples of people who are un "PC" as hell, but are just at a different level of being offensively funny. I can't quite explain it. I also think there's a difference between someone telling a joke and it being exactly that, and someone telling you a racist/sexist comment disguised as one.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:13
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I'd like to mention that until about three hours ago I was accidentally conflating Ray Romano and Jerry Seinfeld as an example of how relevant Seinfeld is in the modern zeitgeist.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:29
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Chuck Johnson tried to get back on twitter and was banned This is like a photo of a guy stalking his ex girlfriend because he really is the loser she thought he was.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:32
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Aliquid posted:I legitimately haven't seen it, is there are 'greater point' to the "black people and niggers" bit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8 I am including this in a case where he crossed the line and ended up just offending people which harms his point. However he explicitly calls out people as racists who use those words. Unless you want to be obtuse, he is in no way actually claiming white people should go around spouting off racial slurs. Especially when he devoted far, far more time to running down and mocking rich white conservative people then he ever did other racial groups. In fact, I cannot recall a time where he actually mocked other races or used them as the butt of a joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr8dm9Prkk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4w7H48tBS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15OS2PdCKo
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Jun 11, 2015 20:33
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WoodrowSkillson posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8 I've always thought of Carlin and Dan Savage as kind of related. Both are obviously making an honest attempt to grapple with issues, occasionally loving up, getting in over their head, but really trying and laying it out there honestly. Comedy obviously meant more to Carlin than just a career or a paycheck or a way to vent, he actually wanted to get people to think differently, challenge thinking. People like Andrew Dice Clay, to me, who are doing a 'parody' that isn't seen as parody by an enormous number of his 'fans', are a totally different thing. They are using their act as a career, they're not actually trying to do anything interesting with it, they just came up with a schtick and are riding it.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:37
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People talking anout Jerry's act are missing the point. He got soured on THE SKELETON ARMY after people pointed out his comedians-in-cars show is almost exclusively white guys and he had no good answer, not because anything he said was edgy.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:42
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Obdicut posted:I've always thought of Carlin and Dan Savage as kind of related. Both are obviously making an honest attempt to grapple with issues, occasionally loving up, getting in over their head, but really trying and laying it out there honestly. Comedy obviously meant more to Carlin than just a career or a paycheck or a way to vent, he actually wanted to get people to think differently, challenge thinking. Unless you are only exposed a very small amount of Carlin, there is no way you can consider him a racist (edit: i should probably say "hates blacks" instead of racist since some of the poo poo he says probably qualifies, even if he did not intend it too). He adamantly and at length castigates the rich and powerful white men who run america by encouraging racial hatreds to keep people from focusing on them as the true enemy. I took the first bit about racial slurs to mean that Carlin feels that by banning words, you are only helping racists disguise themselves and blend in. See the recent phenomena of the word thug being used as a stand in for friend of the family by white people saying horrifically racist poo poo. He thinks altering language does not deter racists and only serves whites by letting them still be racist and not be shamed for it. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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Jun 11, 2015 20:47
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Can we start a charity to punch Hannityquote:When Hannity said Obama rushed to judgment in the Martin case, Guster bewilderedly asked, “You’re saying George Zimmerman was right?” Hannity said, “Absolutely.” http://www.mediaite.com/tv/youre-saying-george-zimmerman-was-right-hannity-panel-explodes/
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Jun 11, 2015 21:02
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Unless you are only exposed a very small amount of Carlin, there is no way you can consider him a racist (edit: i should probably say "hates blacks" instead of racist since some of the poo poo he says probably qualifies, even if he did not intend it too). He adamantly and at length castigates the rich and powerful white men who run america by encouraging racial hatreds to keep people from focusing on them as the true enemy. Likewise, Dan Savage has his column titled "Dear human being" for the first part of his career in an attempt to engage with the word and challenge the assumption that it was going to insult him or degrade him in any way to take on that label. Then, after a long time, he dropped it because he felt like the utility of that exercise was past. There's a similar concern with and thinking about the use of language. To tie this back into right-wing media, the code-words that are used--thug, urban, uneducated, poverty-stricken, gangbanger, hoodie--aren't real descriptions. They're not meant to actually describe real attributes of those people. Racist assholes call Jay Z an 'uneducated thug', but that description doesn't really work to describe him at all. It describes where he came from, not what he is. Black people, in the right-wing media world, can never leave behind their origins except through becoming conservatives.
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Jun 11, 2015 21:11
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Sir Tonk posted:He should just start a conservative twitter, like reaganbook. C'mon, it'd be called (floor)Shitter.
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Jun 11, 2015 21:55
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WoodrowSkillson posted:
Isn't the paradox there though that racial slurs aren't inherently shameful? They can be normalized in vernacular just as much as the "dogwhistles" of today are.
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Jun 11, 2015 22:01
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A conservative told me women call each other sluts and bitches and whore all the time, so why can't I use it? They get ladies night at the bars!
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Jun 11, 2015 22:02
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Chuck Johnson tried to get back on twitter and was banned Dressed like a typical San Francisco techie (I.e doesn't know how to dress himself in properly fitting clothes).
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Jun 11, 2015 22:03
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computer parts posted:Isn't the paradox there though that racial slurs aren't inherently shameful? They can be normalized in vernacular just as much as the "dogwhistles" of today are. I'm not the one making the argument and honestly i do not know the right answer. I can see his point and its not one born of "its ok to say the n word a lot!" He has extended pieces on his dislike of euphemistic language and i think this falls under that umbrella for him.
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Jun 11, 2015 22:05
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He just looks like a retarded dog. Dude is living the dream of a high school boy that was picked on and never grew up. It's like if Tom Hanks just acted like a dick the whole time in Big and never learned any lessons. Ralepozozaxe posted:C'mon, it'd be called (floor)Shitter. I was trying to be inclusive. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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Jun 11, 2015 22:05
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Jun 11, 2015 22:07
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Nonsense posted:A conservative told me women call each other sluts and bitches and whore all the time, so why can't I use it? They get ladies night at the bars! Ta-Nehisi Coates put it well recently. "You may call your wife 'baby' or 'honey.' When I meet you and your wife I will not address her as 'baby' or 'honey.' There's a magazine out called 'Heeb.' I do not assume that that gives me the right to call Jewish people 'heebs.'" "Why can't I use it?" You just can't. Deal with it.
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Jun 11, 2015 22:20
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Ta-Nehisi Coates put it well recently. I can't remember the last time I encountered someone in real life who was raging about why they can't say certain words, but the next time it happens I'm going to try to remember to ask them why they want to say those words in the first place. "Why do you want to use these slurs?"
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Jun 11, 2015 23:46
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Ta-Nehisi Coates put it well recently. They can use it. They 100% have the right to use offensive language. They just don't like that everyone else has the right to tell them to go gently caress themselves when they do. People complaining about political correctness are cowards who can't stand free speech.
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Jun 12, 2015 00:09
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Leofish posted:I can't remember the last time I encountered someone in real life who was raging about why they can't say certain words, but the next time it happens I'm going to try to remember to ask them why they want to say those words in the first place. "Why do you want to use these slurs?" "Because it helps me differentiate the good _____ from the bad _____."
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Jun 12, 2015 00:20
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Wales Grey posted:I'd like to mention that until about three hours ago I was accidentally conflating Ray Romano and Jerry Seinfeld as an example of how relevant Seinfeld is in the modern zeitgeist. gently caress Ray Romano and his whiny manbaby rear end. I've never seen his act, but his show was loving terrible. Seinfeld as a show I enjoyed, at least even if his comedy was bland as babyfood.
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Jun 12, 2015 00:29
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Seinfeld was a product of Larry David's excellent writing not Jerry Seinfeld's comedy bits.
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Jun 12, 2015 00:34
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Leofish posted:I can't remember the last time I encountered someone in real life who was raging about why they can't say certain words, but the next time it happens I'm going to try to remember to ask them why they want to say those words in the first place. "Why do you want to use these slurs?" Saying some of those words are one of the few things that can totally ruin you. They think those words sometimes and there's always the fear it will sneak out at the wrong time. That's what scares the poo poo out of most of those people
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Jun 12, 2015 00:40
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Jun 12, 2015 00:43
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Good Citizen posted:Saying some of those words are one of the few things that can totally ruin you. They think those words sometimes and there's always the fear it will sneak out at the wrong time. That's what scares the poo poo out of most of those people I'm really not trying to be smug or whatever but I legitimately can't imagine a time in my life I've ever had a fear of accidentally calling someone a friend of the family or something. Like, I guess when I first learned the name of the country Niger I may have had a little 'wait what' moment?
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Jun 12, 2015 00:45
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I'm really not trying to be smug or whatever but I legitimately can't imagine a time in my life I've ever had a fear of accidentally calling someone a friend of the family or something. Like, I guess when I first learned the name of the country Niger I may have had a little 'wait what' moment? You went to a tamer middle school than me
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Jun 12, 2015 00:46
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Reading that makes me think "what sort of apartheid hell was your middle school" but without knowing more details I really shouldn't be making any assumptions or judgements. 
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Jun 12, 2015 01:25
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Ironically, the current state of race relations between minorities and the GOP.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:People talking anout Jerry's act are missing the point. He got soured on THE SKELETON ARMY after people pointed out his comedians-in-cars show is almost exclusively white guys and he had no good answer, not because anything he said was edgy. "Only three of the last nine guests have been white guys" isn't a good answer? 
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Jun 12, 2015 02:27
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PerniciousKnid posted:"Only three of the last nine guests have been white guys" isn't a good answer? I didn't follow it long I just recall his shots back looking dangerously close to some race realist poo poo and being sad. I'd love to hear I was remembering wrong on this one.
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Jun 12, 2015 02:43
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Twitter only has one way to save their revenue. Bring back ChuckCJohnson! #JeSuisCuckCJonhson
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Jun 12, 2015 03:23
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beatlegs posted:I think Seinfeld, Chris Rock, Adam Sandler, Colin Quinn, Kevin James, David Spade, and maybe a few lesser knowns like Nick DiPaolo all just sort of gravitated toward each other while playing golf at swank SoCal country clubs and formed a "Bitter And Old Conservative Comedians Society" where they have officially decreed that young people suck and don't appreciate comedy anymore because liberals have ruined everything. Colin Quinn straight up disagreed with Seinfeld on FoxNews of all places yesterday morning. http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/col...dium=socialflow
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I didn't follow it long I just recall his shots back looking dangerously close to some race realist poo poo and being sad. I'd love to hear I was remembering wrong on this one. He joked about how asinine it is to demand that every comedy show include the entire rainbow of humanity and the interviewer was visibly scared to press the issue, shaking, shuffling his notes. Triggered by the oppressive Seinfeld's microaggressions, undoubtedly.
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