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See but I don't understand how this is still possible in 2015. Can't you just show some amazing images of Mars, random, fast paced action scenes, voiceover, and be done with it, like the Mad Max/Interstellar trailers? Why the gently caress do you have to tell me all the big plot points one by one. It's like in the trailer making process there's this drooling mongoloid either from the studio or from the trailer company that just shows up and is somehow allowed to produce 2 lovely mins of spoilers. It bothers me to no end.
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Kawabata posted:See but I don't understand how this is still possible in 2015. Can't you just show some amazing images of Mars, random, fast paced action scenes, voiceover, and be done with it, like the Mad Max/Interstellar trailers? Why the gently caress do you have to tell me all the big plot points one by one. Surlaw posted:Spoilers aren't that big of a deal for a lot of people. Yeah, the movie studios know what works and what doesn't to put asses in seats, and from their research people don't care about being spoiled.
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Jun 11, 2015 13:48
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PaganGoatPants posted:Yeah, the movie studios know what works and what doesn't to put asses in seats, and from their research people don't care about being spoiled. The trailers for Mad Max or Interstellar didn't work?
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Jun 11, 2015 13:58
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Kawabata posted:The trailers for Mad Max or Interstellar didn't work? Interstellar's later trailers spoiled that it would take place on an ice planet and one with giant waves, along with the whole "oh hey we need to go into space" aspect. It's just about as bad in terms of the amount of the movie covered.
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Jun 11, 2015 14:30
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computer parts posted:Interstellar's later trailers spoiled that it would take place on an ice planet and one with giant waves, along with the whole "oh hey we need to go into space" aspect. It's just about as bad in terms of the amount of the movie covered. That's just the Nolan trailer process. If you look up the trailers for any of his movies they always play out the same. You have a short teaser that shows nothing. Then trailer 1 which elaborates on the teaser without giving much. Trailer 2 adds the action as you get close to release. Trailer 3 spoils it all and comes out a week or two before release.
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Jun 11, 2015 14:39
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PaganGoatPants posted:Lance Armstrong Movie They already made a movie titled 'The Program' that deals with PEDs, what the gently caress. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107889/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
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teagone posted:They already made a movie titled 'The Program' that deals with PEDs, what the gently caress. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107889/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
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computer parts posted:Interstellar's later trailers spoiled that it would take place on an ice planet and one with giant waves, along with the whole "oh hey we need to go into space" aspect. It's just about as bad in terms of the amount of the movie covered. No it's not. It's cool to see the waves and you have no idea how the movie will go, no way to predict how it will end, and most of the plot points remain obscure. And yeah I'm sure the whole "oh hey we need to go into space" aspect was a massive spoiler and completely unexpected in a movie called Interstellar.
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Kawabata posted:See but I don't understand how this is still possible in 2015. Can't you just show some amazing images of Mars, random, fast paced action scenes, voiceover, and be done with it, like the Mad Max/Interstellar trailers? Why the gently caress do you have to tell me all the big plot points one by one. The problem isn't the trailer house and it isn't the "drooling mongoloid" senior vice president of marketing. The drooling mongoloid is either the director or you yourself, the two people to blame for not wanting to see a movie based on a spoiler-free trailer. Trailers are designed to convince people to see movies and they're tested on people just like you before it hits theaters. Clearly in this instance the audience wants scope and story or it looks too much like another Mars movie devoid of unique characteristics. If it bothers you to no end, look in the mirror because you are the audience and therefore part of the problem.
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Kawabata posted:No it's not. It's cool to see the waves and you have no idea how the movie will go, no way to predict how it will end, and most of the plot points remain obscure. I'm sure a rescue mission in a film about a guy being stranded on Mars was totally unexpected too.
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Jun 11, 2015 16:45
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PaganGoatPants posted:Lance Armstrong Movie Huh, looks kinda...good?
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computer parts posted:I'm sure a rescue mission in a film about a guy being stranded on Mars was totally unexpected too. I think you're missing the point. The trailer shows the preparation for the mission, the mission itself, how it goes wrong and he's believed dead, how he manages to survive on the planet, his first attempts at sending a message to earth that eventually comes through and his former colleagues organizing a secret rescue party because apparently NASA doesn't want to acknowledge he's alive. The only thing you don't know is if the rescue party will be successful, the rest of the movie is basically there. You're comparing this to Interstellar trailer where the only "revealed" plot point is that humanity has to leave earth. The blight is explained 15 minutes into the movie. No one had the slightest idea of what was about to happen in the movie(Matt Damon's role - he isn't even in the trailer ffs - , how they find NASA, the tesseract, the ghost) except that something at some point goes wrong because otherwise you have no movie at all. I understand how studios think and they definitely know how to put asses in seats, as exemplified by all the Transformers movies. I suppose the same line of reasoning goes into those kind of trailers; luckily I'm not the target audience, so the mirror is not for me. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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Kawabata posted:See but I don't understand how this is still possible in 2015. Can't you just show some amazing images of Mars, random, fast paced action scenes, voiceover, and be done with it, like the Mad Max/Interstellar trailers? Why the gently caress do you have to tell me all the big plot points one by one. Well, here's the Teaser trailer, which is more along those lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGVlxiWvLk Maybe it didn't test well.
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Jun 11, 2015 17:56
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Kawabata posted:I think you're missing the point. How they find NASA isn't important compared with them finding NASA in the first place. The Interstellar trailer depicts them going through space, past Saturn, into the wormhole, going to the wave planet, and going to the ice planet. The only ambiguity is related to the utterly fantastical parts of the film which don't have an equivalent in The Martian. If the reason why you wanted to see Interstellar was "epic space exploration" then yes, the trailer spoiled all of that for you.
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Looks fun. I was sold on the first trailer though. Also, Elizabeth Debicki and Alicia Vikander   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMAsKwv61HU
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PaganGoatPants posted:Lance Armstrong Movie Will it feature Lance laying down on the yellow line in moving traffic?
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smackfu posted:Well, here's the Teaser trailer, which is more along those lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGVlxiWvLk That is footage from another Mars film The Last Days on Mars with a clickbait title. There's been no teaser for The Martian .
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kiimo posted:The problem isn't the trailer house and it isn't the "drooling mongoloid" senior vice president of marketing. The drooling mongoloid is either the director or you yourself, the two people to blame for not wanting to see a movie based on a spoiler-free trailer. Trailers are designed to convince people to see movies and they're tested on people just like you before it hits theaters. Clearly in this instance the audience wants scope and story or it looks too much like another Mars movie devoid of unique characteristics. If it bothers you to no end, look in the mirror because you are the audience and therefore part of the problem. I take responsibility for this, I like knowing the story before going in so I can focus on everything else. It's my fault, I'm sorry.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Will it feature Lance laying down on the yellow line in moving traffic? Oh man, I'm glad that I'm not the first one to think of that movie when I heard The Program.
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Young Freud posted:Oh man, I'm glad that I'm not the first one to think of that movie when I heard The Program. That movie was too hardcore for me, it used to freak me the hell out.
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kiimo posted:The problem isn't the trailer house and it isn't the "drooling mongoloid" senior vice president of marketing. The drooling mongoloid is either the director or you yourself, the two people to blame for not wanting to see a movie based on a spoiler-free trailer. Trailers are designed to convince people to see movies and they're tested on people just like you before it hits theaters. Clearly in this instance the audience wants scope and story or it looks too much like another Mars movie devoid of unique characteristics. If it bothers you to no end, look in the mirror because you are the audience and therefore part of the problem. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mFEzW1Z6TRM
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RIP MCD. Man that hurts, loved that dude.
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Kawabata posted:I think you're missing the point. Having read the book... This describes the first half of it, and that's if you cut out the true meat of the movie which is the character's physical and mental struggle to survive. That's touched upon in the trailers, but not in the detail that a trailer can allow.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Will it feature Lance laying down on the yellow line in moving traffic? It will definitely feature a roided-out Lance Armstrong doing this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFBYq_h_J0
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Will it feature Lance laying down on the yellow line in moving traffic? Maybe a scene where he and his teammate spit into each other's mouths?
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Lattimer!!!
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The movie you have been waiting for a Lifetime! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXzoTZtKY0k
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Ummm. I feel like the drunken conversation Will and Kristen had to create that was far more interesting than the actual product. Advertising it is killing the joke and the only thing left is a trashy TV movie from the looks of it, but there is so little in that teaser I could be wrong. If they just play it straight though, I fail to see the appeal.
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Really? For me I think I'd prefer it was played straight.
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To play it as straight as possible would be extremely funny.
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kiimo posted:Never trust the CGI in a trailer to be indicative of what the final film will have. Almost always it is finished for the trailer before everything else and can often change for the better. Later on these shots will get further refined or tweaked as additional effects elements get completed, such as models or additional backgrounds and so on. A good example of this is the early Days of Future Past trailer, that was very much early assemblies of backdrops with nothing major towards effects as nothing had really been finalised. I do know however for the first HG they had no budget and even their equipment was in a pretty sorry state so tracking shots of Mutts running through the forest was made even harder as they didn't have any weights to counter the camera balance. There was a TON of shots that had to painfully fixed in post, for instance one where Katniss is drawing her bow in a forest at night, the backdrop was floodlit and her underexposed so you had to roto her out and replace the whole frame's background. The WETA war stories were also amazing. Serkis had such faith in the power of effects that one shot of Thorin being carried by eagles got ten times more complex as an errant light shone through his hair during the camera move resulting in having to do a complete CGI hair replacement.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:To play it as straight as possible would be extremely funny. That would be the best route, actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA
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Kawabata posted:I think you're missing the point. Yeah, the trailer shows a lot, but the reality is the book is more about survival - like any good road trip movie it's about the journey rather than the destination. Also disco What you see in the trailer is the premise; things went tits up and Watney is left behind, so he needs to use  to survive, get in contact with NASA and find a way off of Mars.And because you don't stick six people with unresolved tensions and conflicts in an aluminum can for a year round trip breathing recycled air, they're willing to disobey orders in order to get their one of their own back. Also you're wrong about NASA; they have to acknowledge he's alive, because (SPOILER!) they're NASA. And like NASA in real life, they will move heaven and earth to get Mark back, but not at the risk of the surviving astronauts - hence the mutiny. That said, I will concede that the "are you receiving" bit is a tad spoilery, but again it's more about the journey than the end result - how he actually gets to come in contact with NASA is loving amazing. The trailer shows a lot, but it's really all background stuff to the main story - Watney was doing science, being Macgyver, and trying his damnest not to die. Besides, the author said that because they're going for a PG-13 rating and they only get to say gently caress once because Americans are strange like that, they use the most memorable gently caress in the first 30 seconds of the movie. Basically most of the trailer? Yeah that's after the fact will be summed up during the first fifteen minuets of the film. ... Of course it's a Hollywood movie and even though I have faith in Ridley Scott I keep thinking back to Prometheus and 
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Prometheus owned, so if this is Ridley too I just hope it isn't another Robin Hood situation.
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I think the original Martian book was self published, so I doubt it even had an editor. That's gotta be tough to adapt faithfully.
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kiimo posted:The problem isn't the trailer house and it isn't the "drooling mongoloid" senior vice president of marketing. The drooling mongoloid is either the director or you yourself, the two people to blame for not wanting to see a movie based on a spoiler-free trailer. Trailers are designed to convince people to see movies and they're tested on people just like you before it hits theaters. Clearly in this instance the audience wants scope and story or it looks too much like another Mars movie devoid of unique characteristics. If it bothers you to no end, look in the mirror because you are the audience and therefore part of the problem. Maybe the trailer house just made a lovely spoiler free trailer, which is why it tested poorly? Also I understand your point, but your post is written in a stupid and inflammatory way.
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smackfu posted:I think the original Martian book was self published, so I doubt it even had an editor. That's gotta be tough to adapt faithfully. Not only that, it was posted serially on the guy's website, was it not?
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smackfu posted:I think the original Martian book was self published, so I doubt it even had an editor. That's gotta be tough to adapt faithfully. I'd say it's pretty good for an "unedited" book. Incredibly nerdy, but that goes with the territory. Also FWIW, there aren't any major spoilers in that trailer. As Rougey said, it's about the journey. Of course Matt Damon is going to survive, it's how he does it that's interesting. Megasabin posted:Maybe the trailer house just made a lovely spoiler free trailer, which is why it tested poorly? Also I understand your point, but your post is written in a stupid and inflammatory way. So was the post he was responding to, and it's come up several times in this thread before. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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