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closeted republican posted:I think a game's story can enhance the player's experience by making it feel like they're making a difference in the world besides just solving a problem in a nearby village. I think a lot of that has to do with engine limitations, but there is a lot of stuff that will change over the course of the game. Off the top of my head- -Dumping the trailer full of radioactive waste into Cottonwood Cove will not only kill the Legionaries there, but afterwards the ferryman will be wearing a radiation suit. -Killing the NCR troops at Helios One will result in the Legion taking over the plant, complete with Fantastic decked out in Legion garb. Fixing it will send Fantastic over to the Dam, where he is appointed as the "God drat Dam God" -After completing My Kind of Town, the Vikki and Vance will re-open as a Casino after a few in-game days -Completing Three-Card Bounty will send the NCR First Recon to Camp Forlorn Hope. There's a ton of other stuff that happens as well. It's not as great as it could be, but there's still a ton of reactive stuff in the game if you know where to look.
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closeted republican posted:I love the Fallout world, but I'm not going to sperg out and try to explain every minute detail because at the end of the day, it's a fantasy land that's a mixture of post-apoc cliches, the 50s, and some Warhammer 40k (Power Armor, Super Mutants being Orcs with the serial number filed off). I like the universe because it's a fun place to blast some dudes while exploring old buildings, being a funny dick via dialogue trees, becoming a physical god, and has a cool art style, not because it's a well-written world that rivals good novels. same
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I think a lot of that has to do with engine limitations, but there is a lot of stuff that will change over the course of the game. Off the top of my head- I think engine problems are the reason as well. I just think that people overhype the player reactivty in NV, even though it does have some good examples you posted.
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frajaq posted:Another thing on my wishlist: please Bethesda gently caress off with the Karma system forever, thanks It was possibly the dumbest part of Fallout 3. You know your game has problems when half of your stupid achievements are just reach some level of karma based title.
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Deakul posted:Easy there, I'd say everything is only slightly better than Oblivion. Really? I mean, oblivion was mostly generated terrain to my knowledge and a bunch of empty forest, Skyrim has much, much more constructed terrain which has more features on the overworld. It's a bit samey being a variety of tundra and alpine terrains but it's far better built than oblivion. I'm also not sure the combat can be described as the same given that there is massively more magic variety, and more things you can do in melee, not to mention the dual wielding being far improved over the oblivion approach.
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Now watching on Youtube, better stream quality. Preshow on now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KApp699WdE
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closeted republican posted:I love the Fallout world, but I'm not going to sperg out and try to explain every minute detail because at the end of the day, it's a fantasy land that's a mixture of post-apoc cliches, the 50s, and some Warhammer 40k (Power Armor, Super Mutants being Orcs with the serial number filed off). I like the universe because it's a fun place to blast some dudes while exploring old buildings, being a funny dick via dialogue trees, becoming a physical god, and has a cool art style, not because it's a well-written world that rivals good novels. Yeah, but it still has moments that badly jar you out of the universe and make you realize "This was made stupidly." Like a major concern in the Capital Wasteland being a water crisis when (likely at the very beginning of the sandbox) you're handed a robot with the ability to condense purified water from the air an unlimited number of times (given sufficient time to recharge). Or the game refusing to let you tell a companion who's immune to radiation "Hey, go into the deadly radiation bath and enter this code" because it wants to make your previously 100% freeform RPG character willing to sacrifice themselves needlessly to give everyone clean water and then shames you in the pre-Broken Steel ending slides for being a coward if you take the sensible route that doesn't involve a pointless suicide in the name of martyrdom. Look at a game like The Wonderful 101. It's a completely ridiculous, cartoonish fighting game that essentially runs on whatever the nuts at Platinum Games thought would be most badass at the time and is based around 100+ super-deformed characters forming giant flaming fists to punch aliens. But it still has working internal logic; the game doesn't tell you "These aliens are destroying the world!" and then immediately shows every single fight to be three or four monsters in the same city. Fallout 3, on the other hand, blatantly railroads you and violates its own internal logic. You can't handwave away lovely writing and decisions by saying "It's fiction."
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So, I'm starting to get as frustrated with the half-assed critiques/deconstructions of vidya game stories as I am with the shoddy originals. Take Shamus Young. He's still hung up on the notion that the Fallout 3 settlements are 200 years old and has sprayed that indignation over two posts now. Only he's wrong. They're not that old. Literally every major town in Fallout 3 has someone who was around to witness it being founded. Megaton and Rivet City, the only real towns in the game, are at most 50-60 years old. Places like Tenpenny Tower and the Citadel are even newer. The only exceptions are Little Lamplight, which, ironically, actually has a food supply, and Big Town, which is basically where the Lamplighters go to die. Did he never talk to Manya, Pinkerton, or Tenpenny? Did he not notice the fungus vats in Lamplight? It's stupid. It's still more than a little silly that these towns have no economy to speak of (what do those settlers do all day?), and a few struggling farms would have rienforced the need for water, but these perfectly valid complaints (ones I was all set to agree with), are buried under misguided bullshit. The Shandification video was better, but his approach to literary analysis was a little sophomoric. e: this preshow is a little tedious. decent cosplay though.
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Crabtree posted:I'm glad that Bethesda's stream took notes from this thread and is wasting time talking about Fallout 3 and not showing any new game footage. At least there isn't any talk about food. Yet.
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closeted republican posted:At least there isn't any talk about food. Yet. As I watched Bethesda's press conference, I couldn't help but wonder... What did the company reps eat? I did not see a farm on the stage, not the resources to keep live stock.
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What the buggery is happening in Doom? Why is everyone made of plasticine?
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OwlFancier posted:What the buggery is happening in Doom? Why is everyone made of plasticine? I think a more important question is what did all the UAC scientists eat on Mars? You can't grow food there and it's also impossible to transport food - anywhere. Also, what did the demons eat? Did they invade Mars because there is no food in Hell so they had to eat the scientists? Maybe the invasion was just one big misunderstanding. Also, does anyone know how long the Bethesda event is supposed to be? They're probably going to save the one thing 98% of people are there to see until the very end.
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OwlFancier posted:What the buggery is happening in Doom? Why is everyone made of plasticine? Good idea: making a new doom. Bad idea: Basing it more on 3 than 1. I was excited when I saw less hit scan weapons among the enemies (the enemy "zombie" attacks seemed dodge-able) but those kill animations are going to get real old. Hell, the chainsaw obviously recycled the same animation back to back, and while they were careful to make him only use the chain saw on single enemies, in the real game you're either going to be in kill animation and be invincible, which is dumb, or you'll be stuck in an animation and NOT be invincible, which is worse. I will pay 20 dollars for it a year after it's out, and play a little. EDIT - I don't wan to be overly negative - I liked the hell level a lot more. Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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closeted republican posted:I love the Fallout world, but I'm not going to sperg out and try to explain every minute detail because at the end of the day, it's a fantasy land that's a mixture of post-apoc cliches, the 50s, and some Warhammer 40k (Power Armor, Super Mutants being Orcs with the serial number filed off). I like the universe because it's a fun place to blast some dudes while exploring old buildings, being a funny dick via dialogue trees, becoming a physical god, and has a cool art style, not because it's a well-written world that rivals good novels. Okay great New Vegas is still objectively better, it also happens to have better writing and a better-constructed world that's not just a bunch of sandboxy wacky random poo poo slapped together. New Vegas doesn't have great writing but it's still miles better than FO3 and even if you don't personally care about it, it's nice that the better writing is there. Good things are good. Good games are good.
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I like doom 3 but even it didn't have you just grabbing lumps off everyone with the slightest touch. Blowing chunks off things is fine and neato but you should need a rocket launcher to do it, not just grab a dude's arm and rip it off one handed, just makes everyone feel like they're made of putty. Environments look nice though I guess. Volkerball posted:Doom isn't my cup of tea but those melee attacks are hilarious in a good way. The first few times I'd agree but canned animations just don't last. Given this is the fallout thread it's funny blowing chunks off raiders and watching them ragdoll into space in slow motion, but if you replaced that with half a dozen canned animations that freeze you in the process that's a step back.
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King Vidiot posted:Okay great New Vegas is still objectively better, it also happens to have better writing and a better-constructed world that's not just a bunch of sandboxy wacky random poo poo slapped together. Biggest gripe with New Vegas was that the final battle on the Hoover drat (if you're aligned with the NCR) felt like there was a bug that only loaded 10% of the soldiers/legionaries that it should have. I was expecting this massive battle with waves of troops and the bodies piling up, but instead 4 guys rushed me ever 2 minutes, and then I went to the legion camp and killed 6 guys and a tough guy. I kept expecting something cool, but it was super freaking lame. Liberty Prime storming the Jefferson Memorial was a million times better than any of the NV endings.
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King Vidiot posted:...objectively... theres that word again
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Yeah the Hoover Dam fight was really anti-climactic but I didn't know if it was because I'd always recruit the Boomers to help. I assumed that having the Boomers helping you would cut down enemy spawns or something, but apparently not. But I thought Lanius was so badass that it kind of made up for it. Not particularly difficult to beat, but he was suitably intimidating.
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:As I watched Bethesda's press conference, I couldn't help but wonder... What did the company reps eat? I did not see a farm on the stage, not the resources to keep live stock. No but see they say they like making games and WE HAVE A CARD GAME NOW, so I have to buy it because Bethesda does no wrong. I'll eat the ESO slop like a faithful hog.
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The thing about the ending that bothered me was that it was that really lazy style where once you finish the final mission, it just loads the last save you had before you started it.
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Why can't they just make a Doom game that plays like the old ones JESUS CHRIST
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King Vidiot posted:Yeah the Hoover Dam fight was really anti-climactic but I didn't know if it was because I'd always recruit the Boomers to help. I assumed that having the Boomers helping you would cut down enemy spawns or something, but apparently not. I thought the same thing as I had the boomers on my side and I also let that nuke land in the Legion's territory (the divide). The next playthrough I made sure that neither of these happened and it was the exact same massive letdown.
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Look, all the blinking lights mean something! Every little button on a console, all the little pieces of a game are important!~
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chitoryu12 posted:Confirmed pre-war intro. The most exciting thing yet - I've always wanted to see how the world was before. I think revisiting the your old neighbourhood, your home, all the things that used to be familiar to you will be great. Oh, also you can see through windows now. And it looks like the world is more open, not a bunch of cells you need to keep loading.
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Well they have a mass effect style dialogue system. Sigh.....
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SPECIAL is still there, gently caress the haters
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Voice acting for player character confirmed. edit: ugh
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Yep, you're a pre-war guy frozen in time.
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At least the environments look better this time around. And a robot buddy. Although its weird that their dialogue is just Bioware wheels now.
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