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mdemone posted:Left-of-center is not the same thing as left-wing. The "wing" of a normal distribution is very well-defined as the range outside one standard deviation from the mean. I have no idea what the official definition of the terms are, but I would think the vast majority of voters would call pretty much any democrat "left wing" and pretty much any republican "right wing". For whatever that is worth, which I guess isn't much.
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mdemone posted:Let me make this calculus easier for you: there are no left-wing political figures in America. (Bless Bernie's little heart, but he's not on the wing of the left.) Context is a thing and the scale is relative, for fucks sake, why is this so hard to grasp? Bernie is left wing in the country he lives in, how loving hard is that to understand? I'm so loving sick of hearing people pull this dumb poo poo as if the world-wide left/right scale means one goddamn thing in a U.S. election. Especially when right wing, in a lot of places, means literal fascists who actively go around beating up minorities and immigrants, as opposed to a bunch of cowards who cosplay as slave owners and otherwise sit around and wait for cops to do the beating for them.
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OctoberBlues posted:I have no idea what the official definition of the terms are, but I would think the vast majority of voters would call pretty much any democrat "left wing" and pretty much any republican "right wing". For whatever that is worth, which I guess isn't much. Then there is only the left/right dichotomy, and the word "wing" is meaningless. Edit: Vienna, I'm working in the American scale. My point is that "wing" has to mean something, or why use it? Bernie is the farthest left politician in the national scene, but I'm going to stand by my statement that he's not left-wing even for America.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:09
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Context is a thing and the scale is relative, for fucks sake, why is this so hard to grasp? Bernie is left wing in the country he lives in, how loving hard is that to understand? I'm so loving sick of hearing people pull this dumb poo poo as if the world-wide left/right scale means one goddamn thing in a U.S. election. Especially when right wing, in a lot of places, means literal fascists who actively go around beating up minorities and immigrants, as opposed to a bunch of cowards who cosplay as slave owners and otherwise sit around and wait for cops to do the beating for them. In the world left/right scale Bernie is also "lefitist". Anyone who tells you otherwise is either an American who doesn't understand poo poo about the rest of the world, or a foreigner who doesn't understand poo poo about their own country.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:11
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Nintendo Kid posted:In the world left/right scale Bernie is also "lefitist". Anyone who tells you otherwise is either an American who doesn't understand poo poo about the rest of the world, or a foreigner who doesn't understand poo poo about their own country. Why are we using the words "leftist" and "left-wing" interchangeably? Words mean things, fishmech of all people should know that.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:13
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mdemone posted:Why are we using the words "leftist" and "left-wing" interchangeably? Words mean things, fishmech of all people should know that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_overload Words can have more than one meaning.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:15
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mdemone posted:Why are we using the words "leftist" and "left-wing" interchangeably? Words mean things, fishmech of all people should know that. Bernie is both leftist and left wing, so the stronger term gets used preferentially.
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Supraluminal posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_overload Well, if people are using "wing" to mean anything on either side of the mean, then I guess I'll bow to the fact that usage is meaning.
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Can one of those meanings be "insufferable" because you fuckers are, holy poo poo. I will be in a meetings all day on the 16th, drat my schedule I hope I don't miss Trump's Big Speech!
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whitey delenda est posted:I will be in a meetings all day on the 16th, drat my schedule I hope I don't miss Trump's Big Speech! I still don't believe it. I won't even believe it after he says it. It'll take a week or so before it sinks in.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:25
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I've been looking at that Jeb! logo all day and all I can see is a 1970s daytime talk show. I blame Dinah(!) Shore.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:26
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mdemone posted:I still don't believe it. I won't even believe it after he says it. It'll take a week or so before it sinks in. I hope he announces he's not running for president. Then I'd vote for him.
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Nintendo Kid posted:In the world left/right scale Bernie is also "lefitist". Anyone who tells you otherwise is either an American who doesn't understand poo poo about the rest of the world, or a foreigner who doesn't understand poo poo about their own country. I hate to agree with the Kid, but Bernie would give the late Jack Layton's positions in the NDP  a run for their money. He's a proper left-wing politician.
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Jun 15, 2015 03:39
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mdemone posted:Left-of-center is not the same thing as left-wing. The "wing" of a normal distribution is very well-defined as the range outside one standard deviation from the mean. Uh, yes?
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whydirt posted:a perineal VP option. i see what you did there
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Jun 15, 2015 04:24
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I'm still waiting for that "Howard Dean Scream" moment to occur in this election cycle. Now that would be good entertainment lol. Pretty sure everyone remembers that disastrous catastrophe of a campaign-ending speech.. Career-ending, really
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Jun 15, 2015 04:29
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mdemone posted:Then there is only the left/right dichotomy, and the word "wing" is meaningless. Is he within one standard deviation of the mean? This is important.
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A3th3r posted:I'm still waiting for that "Howard Dean Scream" moment to occur in this election cycle. Now that would be good entertainment lol. Pretty sure everyone remembers that disastrous catastrophe of a campaign-ending speech.. Career-ending, really This being the same Howard Dean who was chair of the DNC during the 2006 and 2008 elections?
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A3th3r posted:I'm still waiting for that "Howard Dean Scream" moment to occur in this election cycle. Now that would be good entertainment lol. Pretty sure everyone remembers that disastrous catastrophe of a campaign-ending speech.. Career-ending, really One of the interesting bits of the "Dean Scream" story is that it demonstrates how far CNN has fallen in terms of credibility. They actually publicly apologized for focusing on that story so much since it turned out it was entirely a creation of the media. No way CNN would apologize for all the lovely reporting they do today. They'd have to give the ombudsman their own show just to handle it.
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mdemone posted:Then there is only the left/right dichotomy, and the word "wing" is meaningless. I guess the rest of the world is probably going by a more general definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics I think even by your strict definition, though, Bernie falls within the left-wing
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ErIog posted:One of the interesting bits of the "Dean Scream" story is that it demonstrates how far CNN has fallen in terms of credibility. They actually publicly apologized for focusing on that story so much since it turned out it was entirely a creation of the media. No way CNN would apologize for all the lovely reporting they do today. They'd have to give the ombudsman their own show just to handle it. I thought that's what The Daily Show was for.
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A3th3r posted:I'm still waiting for that "Howard Dean Scream" moment to occur in this election cycle. Now that would be good entertainment lol. Pretty sure everyone remembers that disastrous catastrophe of a campaign-ending speech.. Career-ending, really I'm pretty sure this time around there will be candidates who actually do really dumb things instead of made-up media things. 2012 didn't have a "Dean Scream" because Rick Perry actually couldn't remember the third department he would eliminate, Herman Cain really did quote the Pokemon movie song and use the default tax rates from Sim City, Newt Gingrich really did want to take us to the moon, Paul Ryan really did scrub some clean pans for a photo op, and Mitt Romney really did say 47% of America could get hosed for all he cared. Those were things that actually happened, so there was pretty much no need at all for media-manufactured "gaffes".
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:I'm pretty sure this time around there will be candidates who actually do really dumb things instead of made-up media things. 2012 didn't have a "Dean Scream" because Rick Perry actually couldn't remember the third department he would eliminate, Herman Cain really did quote the Pokemon movie song and use the default tax rates from Sim City, Newt Gingrich really did want to take us to the moon, Paul Ryan really did scrub some clean pans for a photo op, and Mitt Romney really did say 47% of America could get hosed for all he cared. Those were things that actually happened, so there was pretty much no need at all for media-manufactured "gaffes". The Rick Perry example was the only one that straight up ended a campaign in a moment though. Well I guess you could argue the 47% comment ended Romney as well, but certainly not as swiftly and dramatically
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:...Herman Cain really did quote the Pokemon movie song and use the default tax rates from Sim City... I thought the default rates were set at 7%, which makes Cain a goddamned socialist in comparison. 9-9-9 sounds like something he cribbed from a pizza deal. Makes sense.
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Good Citizen posted:The Rick Perry example was the only one that straight up ended a campaign in a moment though. The Dean campaign was over when he lost Iowa so badly, not when his voice did a funny thing in a speech where he was trying to encourage his supporters in spite of that huge loss.
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Titus Sardonicus posted:I thought the default rates were set at 7%, which makes Cain a goddamned socialist in comparison. 9-9-9 sounds like something he cribbed from a pizza deal. Makes sense. Probably depends on which game, but the default tax rates in SimCity 4 were indeed 9-9-9.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:The Dean campaign was over when he lost Iowa so badly, not when his voice did a funny thing in a speech where he was trying to encourage his supporters in spite of that huge loss. Finishing in third place in Iowa is hardly a campaign deathblow as has been demonstrated several times in the recent past. Dukakis and Bush Sr came in third. McCain and Clinton came in forth, with Clinton only getting 3% (against an Iowa native, granted).
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I thought that's what The Daily Show was for. But they've got Fox news as well! To much terrible opinion dressed up as 'reporting' for one show?
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:But they've got Fox news as well! To much terrible opinion dressed up as 'reporting' for one show? Tea Culpa, a morning show where CNN anchors are roasted by their colleagues for reporting SNAFUs.
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Jun 15, 2015 06:20
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Bernie Sanders is now polling 32% in New Hampshire, to Clinton's 44%.
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Jun 15, 2015 06:33
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Seriously, is there any chance of Joe Biden running? Who keeps deciding he should be included in polls?
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Peacheshead posted:Seriously, is there any chance of Joe Biden running? Who keeps deciding he should be included in polls? Joe Biden should be Vice President for Life.
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279 people isn't a very large sample size. Otherwise, going over the NHGOP crosstabs, Christie's gender split is perplexing. Twice as many women as men support him. edit  the South Carolina poll goes Graham, Carson and then Bush with nobody else cracking 10%. 7% for Huckabee seems low - can anyone confirm he's taken a bit of a dive since he Duggar'd a hole?
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Peacheshead posted:Seriously, is there any chance of Joe Biden running? Who keeps deciding he should be included in polls? Based on who ran this poll, organizations run by former GOP operatives desperately hoping for someone to upset Clinton.
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Aliquid posted:279 people isn't a very large sample size. Otherwise, going over the NHGOP crosstabs, Christie's gender split is perplexing. Twice as many women as men support him. It's cold up there, maybe all those women like their men "cuddly".
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Joementum posted:I like Bill as Friar Tuck. I really want the GOP to run with this because seeing them paint Robin Hood as the Bad Guy would be glorious. Rasczak posted:That would make it even more obvious that he's deliberately trying to downplay his last name if it's the only thing being omitted. You mean like how Ted Cruz is obviously trying to downplay his first name being Rafael, since he knows Texas is racist enough that he'd have lost the election otherwise? mlmp08 posted:When E-voting is possible, I am certain that employers will still give their employees hours or the day off to go vote and not make them vote during breaks. Nah they'll let them vote during work hours and even make sure to come over and help you vote... wait you clicked that candidate? Hmm ok... you didn't mean this one? Really? Are you certain? Well alright if you say so. Have fun looking for a new job when they fire you after you don't vote for who they wanted you to. You sure as gently caress aren't going to win any lawsuit against them in an at-will state.
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Neeksy posted:Wasn't one of O'Malley's big things during his governorship of Maryland his support for Broken Windows policing, and thus all the poo poo going down in Baltimore ending up being egg in his face? That might hurt him in the primary in some states, but that's the kind of position on criminal justice that wins over white voters. Generally, white people like it when police are used as a weapon against minority populations. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy. The only reason the tide is turning now among some people is because criminal justice reform people can fend off attacks of "hating the police" by pointing to videos of "the bad apples" that need to be taken care of. Any kind of discussion of structural change in the institution of policing is going to be met with hostility by "tough on crime" folks no matter how good the actual data is, though. Among the D&D crowd it makes him a non-starter. However, it's possible it could peel off the Reagan Democrats. So I expect O'Malley to not 100% walk back his approach to policing during his previous times in office. We'll probably get some spin from him where he attempts to recontextualize his past actions under the banner of something like "smart policing" that is basically something that sounds like criminal justice reform but crammed with dog whistles. edit: Looking into some of his statements about policing it looks like he's already begun to do some of that, but his campaign website is kind of thin when it comes to policy proposals. He is claiming to have reformed the Baltimore PD, though: quote:Made Baltimore City A Safer Place ErIog fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:I really want the GOP to run with this because seeing them paint Robin Hood as the Bad Guy would be glorious. Not really a huge stretch considering that Ayn Rand already did it
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