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Was Rage not programmed with one of the more recent id Tech engines? I didn't notice any texture pop in the E3 demo nor any of the blurriness seen in Rage or parts of Wolfenstien. I remember everyone at the time wanting Bethesda to switch to id Tech when Zenimax bought them because it was "so much better".
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Sankis posted:Gamebryo was something they licensed from Morrowind to New Vegas for their graphics. They stopped using it with Skyrim. I'm sure traces of it exist, just as traces of Quake 1 exist in Source. The point is that it's very recognizably the same engine that they've been pushing to the breaking point since 2006, whether it's called Gamebryo or not.
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Walrus Pete posted:I didn't, but I thought I remembered people being impressed with it on the tech side, if not the gameplay. Maybe I got it backwards? I dunno. Well, Wolfenstein: New Order and Doom 4 are using it as well. The problem with Rage was that the engine was a bit too much for the contemporary hardware, basically. Everything currently in your FOV was highly detailed and crisp, thanks to their Megatexture tech, but as soon as you touched the mouse, everything that was just outside the FOV was a blurry piece of poo poo. W:NO doesn't have this problem.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:41
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Sankis posted:Gamebryo was something they licensed from Morrowind to New Vegas for their graphics. What the gently caress are you talking about?
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fallout 4 test: show me a flashlight and lighting effects oh right, you can't because gamebryo
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DOMDOM posted:their own lovely engine which seems mysteriously heavily based in gamebryo (because it is)
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gently caress im so glad its not another elder scrolls this year
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Jun 15, 2015 22:42
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DOMDOM posted:fallout 4 test: show me a flashlight and lighting effects But they said they have volumetric lighting in the game and I saw screenshots of some impressive night lighting
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Jun 15, 2015 22:44
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rocketrobot posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? I'm not sure what's confusing about that. They haven't licensed Gamebryo for their engine since New Vegas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gamebryo_engine_games http://www.gamebryo.com/titles.php https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo
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Sankis posted:Gamebryo was something they licensed from Morrowind to New Vegas for their graphics. They stopped using it with Skyrim. I'm sure traces of it exist, just as traces of Quake 1 exist in Source. Bethesda's in house elder scrolls engine =/= gamebryo Please don't act like it isn't still Gamebryo all the way, they have juiced up some of its features but it's way more Gamebryo than not.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:45
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DOMDOM posted:fallout 4 test: show me a flashlight and lighting effects I'm glad you brought this up because I'd forgotten how laughably bad player-based lighting (pip-boy and torches, mostly) has been in their games up to and including Skyrim. Here's hoping they noticed that it's in fact kind of embarrassing and made some improvements.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:46
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The fact that several bugs and many characteristics of the engine are still around in Skyrim should tell you it's still heavily based off the same code from 14 years ago.
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PerpetualSelf posted:But they said they have volumetric lighting in the game and I saw screenshots of some impressive night lighting I've been playing through GTA5 this week and it takes a complete dump on everything bethesda has ever squeezed out in the past 15 years
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Jun 15, 2015 22:47
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Todd Howard's being interviewed on YouTube now. He said the mod tools should come out early 2016 and he's hoping that mods will work on PS4 too.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:48
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Walrus Pete posted:I'm glad you brought this up because I'd forgotten how laughably bad player-based lighting (pip-boy and torches, mostly) has been in their games up to and including Skyrim. Here's hoping they noticed that it's in fact kind of embarrassing and made some improvements. that & the "bustling" towns full of 5 people really added to the immersion
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big mean giraffe posted:The fact that several bugs and many characteristics of the engine are still around in Skyrim should tell you it's still heavily based off the same code from 14 years ago. My point, which has been unclear I guess, is that their games being broken as gently caress isn't due to what they've been licensing it's because they're poo poo at making working games. edit: Raygereio said it better.
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big mean giraffe posted:The fact that several bugs and many characteristics of the engine are still around in Skyrim should tell you it's still heavily based off the same code from 14 years ago. Gamebryo - not Bethesda's creation, but the thing that you can license - isn't bad. It's actually decent. Note that Gamebryo is often referred to as a game engine (pretty sure it's also marketted as such), but it's really not. It's a suite of code libraries that's not much more then a graphics renderer. The developer still needs to add all of the other stuff that goes into a game engine like AI, animation, gameplay logic, etc, etc. If you take the game engine that was used for Oblivion, then Gamebryo is in there somewhere doing its thing, but it's burried under layers and layers of Bethesda's own wonky spaghetti code. For some dumb reason probably related to licencing a lot of game engines that use Gamebryo are called "Gamebryo" as well which has resulted in a lot of confusion on the Internet (Oblivion, Civ4, Playboy: The Mansion and Epic Mickey don't all use the same engine) and people blaming Gamebryo for the problems Bethesda's lovely QA and wonky spaghetti code caused.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:50
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DOMDOM posted:I'll believe it when I see it Maybe open your eyes a little
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Jun 15, 2015 22:52
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DOMDOM posted:I'll believe it when I see it They are also really different games made by different companies with access to different funding levels and licenses.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:52
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I hope that UI isn't final. It's a really ugly shade of lime green and it stands out too much.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:52
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I like all the lovely "quirks" of the engine. I love reloading a save and seeing a guy I killed and blew up due to Bloody Mess reconstitute himself as some mockery of a man and then fly apart as the game loads in.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:52
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I heard they stopped licensing Gamebryo because they had so many hacks to hacks on hacks that Gamebryo was accidentally left out of the compile one day and the game kept working so they dropped the expense.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:53
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Sankis posted:I'm not sure what's confusing about that. They haven't licensed Gamebryo for their engine since New Vegas. It was the assertion that they licensed it from Morrowind to New Vegas. I see now that you were talking timeline not actually lisencing it to the New Vegas developers and somehow skipping Fallout 3. English, man.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I like all the lovely "quirks" of the engine. I love reloading a save and seeing a guy I killed and blew up due to Bloody Mess reconstitute himself as some mockery of a man and then fly apart as the game loads in. I wonder if we'll have a save system that doesn't poo poo up my PC with gigs of saves by the time I'm done a playthrough.
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I still love how people hate Gamebryo just because it is Gamebryo. Like, none of you even know what Gamebryo is, or what part of the game make it "gamebryo", but the game from the same creators of it's predecessor looks similar to said predecessor, that must mean it is the same poo poo. And even if they are using a pre-licenced engine, would you trust Bethesda to write their own engine?
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Jun 15, 2015 22:55
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DOMDOM posted:fallout 4 test: show me a flashlight and lighting effects Well, looks like they passed the test, dude. There's footage in the showcase of player-craftable & place-able floodlights. Jeez, people will complain about anything these days, lol.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:56
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SunAndSpring posted:I hope that UI isn't final. It's a really ugly shade of lime green and it stands out too much. I agree, with the exception of the power armor UI, which looks absolutely boss. The font, the edges are all a little too sharp, like it is suddenly using a higher resolution screen than a CRT. It feels weird and a bit out of place.
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Mordaedil posted:They are also really different games made by different companies with access to different funding levels and licenses. different games? sure. funding levels & all that? bethesda has been swimming in money since oblivion. their only excuses are incompetence or greed
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Yeah bits of the UI look cheap, like something you'd see in a (bad) kickstarter game.
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SunAndSpring posted:I hope that UI isn't final. It's a really ugly shade of lime green and it stands out too much. If it's anything like the other games, (and I'll be surprised if it isn't) you'll be able to switch between green, blue, white, and amber.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:58
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BTW mods for PC and XBONE are confirmed
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zedprime posted:I heard they stopped licensing Gamebryo because they had so many hacks to hacks on hacks that Gamebryo was accidentally left out of the compile one day and the game kept working so they dropped the expense. Sankis posted:I wonder if we'll have a save system that doesn't poo poo up my PC with gigs of saves by the time I'm done a playthrough. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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GirlBones posted:Well, looks like they passed the test, dude. There's footage in the showcase of player-craftable & place-able floodlights. Has there been any footage showing an honest to goodness flashlight moving and dynamically illuminating an area? I mean it's 2015 so I hope so but I just assumed not. Please link if you got it!
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GirlBones posted:If it's anything like the other games, (and I'll be surprised if it isn't) you'll be able to switch between green, blue, white, and amber. I'm probably gonna go with amber. I got attached to it in New Vegas. Also, I'm going to recreate the Tops Casino as my home if its the last thing I do.
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DOMDOM posted:different games? sure. funding levels & all that? bethesda has been swimming in money since oblivion. their only excuses are incompetence or greed Well Skyrim had a budget of 85 million dollars, and GTA 5 had a budget of 265 million, there is just a slight difference there is terms of how much money went into each game.
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Are mod tools not being released till q1 2016? Looks like xbone mods are early 2016 and PS4 after that. It would auck of we have to wait for months to get mod tools on PC, makes me a bit unsure about the pre-order.
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Jun 15, 2015 23:01
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DOMDOM posted:Ah yes silly me to complain about garbage pre-rendered lighting. Exactly
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Jun 15, 2015 23:02
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DOMDOM posted:Ah yes silly me to complain about garbage pre-rendered lighting. Static floodlights don't alleviate this concern.
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Skuzal posted:Well Skyrim had a budget of 85 million dollars, and GTA 5 had a budget of 265 million, there is just a slight difference there is terms of how much money went into each game. What do you think the core engine programming cost?
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oblomov posted:Are mod tools not being released till q1 2016? Looks like xbone mods are early 2016 and PS4 after that. It would auck of we have to wait for months to get mod tools on PC, makes me a bit unsure about the pre-order. This is the dumbest poo poo.
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