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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Dr Christmas posted:

Why are we celebrating Chris Pratt when we should be celebrating our troops?

Also, I don't see anything about him being "told to keep Jesus off the set."

Yeah, I was curious to see what his reaction was and who told him to keep Jesus off the set. You would think that would be pretty big news. But yeah, there ain't anything Pratt's done in that stupid article that's remotely offensive. Aside from not aborting his first born, of course. :ussr:

But poo poo like this though is still loving annoying:

quote:

Chris also got the opportunity to share his patriotism when he starred in the Oscar-winning film, Zero Dark Thirty. In liberal Hollywood, it’s very rare to see a famous actor openly support our troops.

Ignoring whether the film was accurate or not, it's always irritating to see conservatives say that liberals hate "the troops". I mean, I know it's their inane attempt to conflate wars with the people actually fighting them, but still, it's aggravating.

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Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
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I LOL'd when they mentioned that he liked to hunt and could cook and skin his catches then followed it with "I didn’t think men like this still existed in America." Wow, I bet he likes to drink beer and can open his own bottles without an opener, too! What a rare find!

(I like Chris Pratt, taking something common and pretending it's amazing in cheap clickbait articles is just funny to me)

Mr Interweb posted:

Ignoring whether the film was accurate or not, it's always irritating to see conservatives say that liberals hate "the troops". I mean, I know it's their inane attempt to conflate wars with the people actually fighting them, but still, it's aggravating.
How about thinking that pretending to be a soldier in a movie is sharing your patriotism? That pretty much sums up the writer's concept of patriotism.

Kellsterik
Mar 30, 2012

quote:

the Oscar-winning film, Zero Dark Thirty. In liberal Hollywood, it’s very rare to see a famous actor openly support our troops.

Zero Dark Thirty, a film of such quality that it was awarded an Oscar by the liberal Hollywood establishment, well-known for their sneering disdain of the heroic troops whose dedication to getting the job done is immortalized in such films as Zero Dark Thirty,

e: it's such an article of faith in most of the sources I read that Hollywood movies lionize the US military and foreign intervention that I got whiplash from reading that.

Kellsterik fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jun 15, 2015

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
America makes a lot more sense when I try to view everything as if i was an infallible babyman who projects onto literally everything I come into contact with.

Actor guy mentions Christ? Good, he's mine now, he drafted onto our team. Too bad for him everyone on his old team will never talk to him again like I do with my grandchildren with their satanic beetlejuice cartoons. Much like me he is now a heroic figure, bravely waking up each day to catalogue but maybe not combat all the ills in his life. Which satan and democrats caused, obviously.

Black people not being treated well? Well they arent on my team. Probably had it coming. Plus those cops are on my team. This looks an awful lot like that Obama police state/FEMA camp/black helicopter poo poo Im always crying about like its a briar patch i dont want to be thrown in...but its my team thats doing it to bad guys so its good.

My dick doesnt work anymore and my wife now fully understands what a feckless wuss i am behind all my bluster...this must be something happening to every male in the country. MEN OF ALL AGES! We must join forces against the female oppression in our homes and tv remotes! Arent you tired of being browbeat and emasculated? No? Thats not a real thing? Uhhhhh well maybe we can just fold your inability to get laid in with all this old man fading away poo poo. Okay? Cool. Conservative men unite! We're tired of you bitches not having sex with us for wildly different reasons that apparently have nothing to do with our attractiveness, since we're all perfect specimens here.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Intel&Sebastian posted:

My dick doesnt work anymore and my wife now fully understands what a feckless wuss i am behind all my bluster...this must be something happening to every male in the country. MEN OF ALL AGES! We must join forces against the female oppression in our homes and tv remotes! Arent you tired of being browbeat and emasculated? No? Thats not a real thing? Uhhhhh well maybe we can just fold your inability to get laid in with all this old man fading away poo poo. Okay? Cool. Conservative men unite! We're tired of you bitches not having sex with us for wildly different reasons that apparently have nothing to do with our attractiveness, since we're all perfect specimens here.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Intel&Sebastian posted:

America makes a lot more sense when I try to view everything as if i was an infallible babyman who projects onto literally everything I come into contact with.

Actor guy mentions Christ? Good, he's mine now, he drafted onto our team. Too bad for him everyone on his old team will never talk to him again like I do with my grandchildren with their satanic beetlejuice cartoons. Much like me he is now a heroic figure, bravely waking up each day to catalogue but maybe not combat all the ills in his life. Which satan and democrats caused, obviously.

Black people not being treated well? Well they arent on my team. Probably had it coming. Plus those cops are on my team. This looks an awful lot like that Obama police state/FEMA camp/black helicopter poo poo Im always crying about like its a briar patch i dont want to be thrown in...but its my team thats doing it to bad guys so its good.

My dick doesnt work anymore and my wife now fully understands what a feckless wuss i am behind all my bluster...this must be something happening to every male in the country. MEN OF ALL AGES! We must join forces against the female oppression in our homes and tv remotes! Arent you tired of being browbeat and emasculated? No? Thats not a real thing? Uhhhhh well maybe we can just fold your inability to get laid in with all this old man fading away poo poo. Okay? Cool. Conservative men unite! We're tired of you bitches not having sex with us for wildly different reasons that apparently have nothing to do with our attractiveness, since we're all perfect specimens here.

:allears: Please never stop posting.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

It was him saying that his faith was renewed when his daughter was born prematurely and that he quotes scripture on his Facebook page. The article then tries to imply that no on will hire him from now on because of this. No one will attack him for this but expect smug people sharing and liking it to prove that they blah blah blah (I have already had it shared twice.)

Noted War Criminal Allen West shared it with the sub title as "This will make liberal heads explode."
99% sure that anyone who thinks this'll make liberal heads explode thought the head of NARAL couldn't possibly be pregnant.

I mean, there are Christians out there and I'm pretty sure most Americans, whether they're liberal, conservative, atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, don't give a poo poo if you're Christian. They don't even care if you like quoting scripture or talk about your faith. The only time anyone really cares is if it's intrusive (prayer before your local city council meeting, bible reading at your high school graduation), ubiquitous (oh my god shut the gently caress up about Tim Tebow), or annoying (fetus pictures everywhere!!!). The vast majority of people who care about a public figure mentioning God in a very religious country are angry Internet atheists, movement conservatives, and hyper-evangelical Christians. These people are, surprisingly, a minority. Hell, most conservatives and Republicans are most definitely not any of these things. The movement conservatives and hyper-evangelical Christians are definitely loud as hell, and a lot louder than the Internet atheists, but they're really not all conservatives, or all (even evangelical) Christians.

The kind of person who gets upset by or starts crowing about Chris Pratt saying things about Jesus is deeply, deeply confused about many things.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

The kind of person who gets upset by or starts crowing about Chris Pratt saying things about Jesus is deeply, deeply confused about many things.
Well, if he turns into Tim Tebow or Kirk Cameron it'll be another story. The fact that he posts stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_pCZrt7mCA

indicates the basic ingredients are there.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



beatlegs posted:

Well, if he turns into Tim Tebow or Kirk Cameron it'll be another story. The fact that he posts stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_pCZrt7mCA

indicates the basic ingredients are there.

Yeah but he's not a huge dick about that stuff. He has his faith, he's patriotic, whatever, welcome to half of the human race. He doesn't try to push that poo poo on you and force you to convert.

Honestly, he seems chill as gently caress, and actually did a good job for his small role in Zero Dark Thirty.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

Thump! posted:

Yeah but he's not a huge dick about that stuff.

Neither was Mel Gibson, Kirk Cameron, Patricia Heaton, etc. Give it time.

Kellsterik
Mar 30, 2012
In the fullness of time, all actors who do not think as we do will be revealed as lovely and bad all along.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

beatlegs posted:

Neither was Mel Gibson, Kirk Cameron, Patricia Heaton, etc. Give it time.

Yes but you can see how it might be difficult to come up with the counter list. Let people do the crime before you convict.

Which you are, but im speaking generally.

Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jun 16, 2015

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

Honestly I just think he's a crappy actor (I know that's heresy at the moment, forgive me). The fact that I just now learned he's a teary-eyed religious conservative American patriot kind of brings it all together and makes sense to me personally. But the bland, non-descript acting is what actually offends me.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Game is What Does The Photo Mean?

InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Game is What Does The Photo Mean?



Secret concert at white house with Prince?

Honey Badger don't care and neither should you?

Master Twig
Oct 25, 2007

I want to branch out and I'm going to stick with it.

beatlegs posted:

Well, if he turns into Tim Tebow or Kirk Cameron it'll be another story. The fact that he posts stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_pCZrt7mCA

indicates the basic ingredients are there.

As an atheist lefty, the only thing that offends me about this video is that the person filming is holding their phone vertically. That's the true plague destroying our nation.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
This Week With George Stephanopoulos is the worst of the Sunday talk shows isn't it?

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Mr Hootington posted:

This Week With George Stephanopoulos is the worst of the Sunday talk shows isn't it?

It has been for a while. What prompted you to say this now? Face the Nation is much better since they kicked Schieffer off. The man was far past his prime, and had no idea about the current political climate. Every editorial segment by him was basically Andy Rooney-esque, "Why can't politics be like it was 30/60 years ago! These Democrats just won't work together with these Republicans, and these Republicans won't work with these Democrats!" It's much better with Dickerson.

Meet the Press is also much better since they jettisoned Gregory, but I prefer the new Face the Nation more.

edit: All the round tables on them are always terrible, and the only reason you should ever watch them is to see direct interviews with candidates/politicians.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jun 16, 2015

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008
Debating which Sunday talk show is the worst is like debating which kick to the crotch is the worst.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
Most Sunday talk shows are way too boring to be like a kick to the crotch. A better analogy might be comparing them to mild itches in various places, the kind that bugs you but not quite enough to bother scratching.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Schieffer holds a special sort of contempt with me for comparing the Obamacare website rollout to the Republicans shutting down the government.

Master Twig posted:

As an atheist lefty, the only thing that offends me about this video is that the person filming is holding their phone vertically. That's the true plague destroying our nation.

I'm sorta conflicted about that. On the one hand, he's doing it in the privacy (well, sorta) of his own home. On the other hand, teaching your two year old to recite the Pledge of Allegiance? I dunno..

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
The whole point of the pledge is to indoctrinate children at a young age. It'd be hella strange for an adult to choose to say it at some point. You can't complain about someone using the pledge as intended.

JDee
Nov 27, 2006
goon

beatlegs posted:

Even before today I couldn't understand the appeal of Pratt. He's not that funny, not a good actor, not even that good looking. I've always thought he was crazily overrated. So great. Now I'm going to be annoyed by him even more.

Chris Pratt is pretty hot.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

beatlegs posted:

Well, if he turns into Tim Tebow or Kirk Cameron it'll be another story. The fact that he posts stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_pCZrt7mCA

indicates the basic ingredients are there.

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Master Twig posted:

As an atheist lefty, the only thing that offends me about this video is that the person filming is holding their phone vertically. That's the true plague destroying our nation.

Truer words were never spoken.

UFOTacoMan
Sep 22, 2005

Thanks easter bunny!
bok bok!

Shbobdb posted:

The whole point of the pledge is to indoctrinate children at a young age. It'd be hella strange for an adult to choose to say it at some point. You can't complain about someone using the pledge as intended.

I felt like this was a pretty cynical take on the pledge so I turned to Wikipedia and well...gently caress.

quote:

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist,[5][6] and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898). The original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8 issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the Americas. The event was conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism in students and sell flags to public schools.[7] According to author Margarette S. Miller, this was in line with Upham's vision which he "would often say to his wife: 'Mary, if I can instill into the minds of our American youth a love for their country and the principles on which it was founded, and create in them an ambition to carry on with the ideals which the early founders wrote into The Constitution, I shall not have lived in vain.'"[8]

Reminds me of how Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer was invented for a Montgomery Ward coloring book.

What rules is that the pledge was written by a socialist.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
That's still a pretty cynical take on the guy's words. Like, anyone who wrote a patriotic song probably said something similar to that, it's not 'indoctrination' it's sharing your beliefs and hoping the future generation shares them because ya no poo poo we all hope our beliefs endure the generations.

Pratt's just a pretty normal middle american (he's from like Minnesota or Wisconsin or something, right?) doofus who happens to also be charming as gently caress. Like this is a dude who said, when talking about literally having no home while living in Hawaii somehow 'yea it was a pretty cool place to be homeless at least we just smoked a lot of weed and listened to rap music all day'. Like, no one looks to him as a source for brilliant opinions. If he wants to be a patriotic christian good old boy who cares as long as he's not a dick about it. I can think of a billion reasons why he'd post a video like that other than 'he's a jingoistic rear end in a top hat', mainly centered around 'little kids are cute as gently caress and like every father who doesn't suck thinks everything their kids do is the cutest thing ever'.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

beatlegs posted:

The fact that I just now learned he's a teary-eyed religious conservative American patriot kind of brings it all together and makes sense to me personally.

He really isn't, though? Like he spent five + years on Parks and Recreation and that's one of the most consistently and explicitly left-wing comedies on broadcast television; it's basically The West Wing but for local government.

I think you're falling into the team-think trap and doing exactly what the right-wingers pushing this particular bit of politprop want you to do. The whole idea here is to politicize Chris Pratt, to "claim" him for conservatives and to piss off hypothetical, mostly-nonexistent "christian-hating liberals". You seem to be buying into that game and letting yourself become the exact "christian-hating liberal" that the right-wingers want you to be.

Don't let this be about team affilliation. If you don't like Chris Pratt, just don't like his acting. His religious affiliation doesn't matter either way. If you care whether or not Pratt said something about Jesus, Allen West has already won.

Plus, Pratt already apologized.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 16, 2015

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005
I'm as outspoken an atheist as should exist, and I'd hang out with Johnny Karate.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Because my sister likes everything Noted War Criminal Allen West posts, I get to see his into his small mentality world view.

Today, I saw "The one question I would ask every person leaving a Hillary rally." After reading several paragraphs about how horrible socialism is which included a Winston Churchill quote, Joe the Plumber and an imaginary discussion about all of the "socialism" that has taken over our country, West finally asks his question: "would you give up your iPhone 6S to poor people?" Or "would Hillary let poor people move into her neighborhood?"

Dammit sister.....just dammit.

kik2dagroin
Mar 23, 2007

Use the anger. Use it.

quote:

RUSH: McKinney, Texas. You heard of that town? You heard of McKinney, Texas? Very nice little town. Police are called to a gated private swimming pool. It seems that African-American kids are sending out text messages to each other about where to go to mob the swimming pool that is not theirs. I mean, they don't have any right to be there, I'm sorry to say, don't fire me, please. They don't have any right to be there. It's not their pool. It's somebody else's pool. It's gated, but they found their way in, they're texting out, "Everybody, come on, join us."

They mob the area, they jump the fence, get aggressive, unruly, having sex all over the place, screaming curse words, and they do this because there's no place for them to go swim. They feel discriminated against. They don't have any swimming pools, so they go and find somebody else's, send out messages to be joined and then people join 'em.
So there were mothers with their young children at the pool. These people happen to be paying for the pool, by the way -- ahem, sorry, that's I know insensitive to say. And these mothers call the cops, and so the cops come. Cops arrive.

The African-American kids act belligerent. The cops try to get control of the situation, and of course cell phones are pulled out, video recording begins, and there's video of a cop mistreating, mishandling, it looks like, a perfectly peaceful young African-American woman in a bikini on the ground. Uh-oh. Cop is fired and is now in hiding to protect himself.

In Florida, a high school principal mentions in a one-line tweet that he understands what the cop did in McKinney, Texas, and he has been fired. And today we have a story in the Washington Post, are you ready for the headline? "How the Rise of Gated Spaces like Swimming Pools Can Quietly Perpetuate Racial Tension." Snerdley is laughing in there. See, this is what you do.

You laugh. But the fact of the matter is, we had a swimming pool privately owned behind a gated community. It was invaded by people who have no right to be there. They were not invited. It's not their pool. The cops show up and try to get control of the situation. A cop gets fired, a principal who agrees with the cop in a one-line tweet gets fired and now the Washington Post writes a story saying that such swimming pools are racist.

You want an example of massive propaganda delusion? What would you do if you're a cop the next time such a call happened? "Screw you, pal, you're on your own. I'm not showing up." If you're a school principle you're not gonna comment on the cops anymore no matter what you think of what they do. A one-line tweet from the principal saying he understood what the cop did and he's fired. The cop is running for his life now.

This is exactly the kind of situation and circumstance that I've been referring to all day. Just like this silly story, I saw it on Vox, which is its own social psychological curiosity. "You guys" is now sexist. "You guys," not supposed to say it anymore because it's not inclusive. And women calling each other guys, that's not cool, either, and they gotta stop doing it and we've gotta stop saying it. And people are seriously, honestly debating this, as though it is profoundly offensive for a group of people to be referred to as "you guys."

So now we gotta say "you all," "guys and girls," "folks," you name it. Whatever it is, it isn't free speech.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/06/15/the_mckinney_swimming_pool_story_is_a_perfect_example_of_massive_propaganda_delusion

quote:

RUSH: Let me get to this piece that I have been referencing for the first hour from the website the Federalist. "How to Escape the Age of Mass Delusion." Now, remember, I went searching for this because I was sent an e-mail from a Republican friend who thinks that the Republicans ought to drop the social issues stuff 'cause if they keep on they're gonna keep losing. I've always had a problem with that, and the headline of the story was: "Wall Street Is Getting Tired of Funding Socially Conservative Republicans Running for President."

The problem that I have with this is it's not the Republicans that are pushing social issues. The Republicans are defending them, for crying out loud! The left is who's pushing social issues, and nobody ever complains about 'em doing so. The Democrat Party is the biggest purveyor of social issues. The Democrat Party is the biggest promoter of social issues. The Democrat Party's agenda demands movement on social issues! This idea that the Republicans are pushing social issues is absurd.

Now, I know what it really means. What it really means when some Wall Street-New York liberal Republican starts complaining about social issues, he's talking about abortion. It's a single issue, and they're tired of it, and they think that the Republican Party can't win if that becomes an important campaign issue. The reason they think that is because the left has been so successful in corrupting the culture, folks.

I mean, there are a lot of people who are very aware that America as they've known it -- our society, culture, whatever you want to call it -- is undergoing massive transformation, and not for the good, not for the betterment. And they don't know specifically why, and they certainly don't know how to stop it. But yet when Republicans start talking about abortion, if they do, then they think the Republicans are the problem. In my estimation, the Republicans...

It may be a branding problem. It may be a way-they-go-about-it problem. But the Republicans are not the social issues fetishists. It's the Democrats who are. Look at what we now are commanded to accept, agree with, and support -- or else. Gay marriage, transgenderism, transracialism, trans-this, trans-that. We are supposed to sit by and accept all of this. Redefinitions of marriage to include...? No telling where it's going. But the definitions have been obliterated now.

Marriage, the definition of marriage is not gonna stop here with just two men, two women, or a man and a woman getting married. It's gonna end up being much more than that because it has to. Marriage, the definition, has been blown away, and now it can become whatever somebody claims to want it to be. As consensus forms around all of these not-all-that-long-ago-obviously oddball behaviors, then the oddball behaviors become the norm.


The new oddballs, the new weirdos, the new kooks are the people who do not support all this new oddball, weirdo stuff, and thus they get marginalized. And, in simple terms, they're not cool. They're not hip and so forth. Now, how did this happen is always something that has intrigued me. The sociological aspects of things intrigue the heck out of me. I ran across a story that was published on June 8th in the Federalist by Stella Morabito.
...
Now, here's how it begins. "How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion," which is what this is all being described as being. "Mass delusion is an important tool of oppressors because they can’t survive free expression. That’s why the First Amendment’s a target. Nearly 100 years ago, Walter Lippmann wrote about 'the manufacture of consent' in his classic work, 'Public Opinion.' On the heels of that book, Edward Bernays penned a little volume called 'Propaganda,' in which he stated that an elite would always be responsible for making the public aware of 'new ideas' which the public would then act upon as the elite nudged them into it. Related, but more in-depth is Jacques Ellul’s 1962 book, 'Propaganda: The Formation of Men’s Attitudes.'

"Political propaganda aims to mobilize the masses to move an agenda forward. That’s most effectively done when the masses are unaware of the process. It’s what 'community organizers' work towards, whether they know it or not. Once the masses are mobilized to push for a cause, the propagandists’ goals can be put into law.

Look at gay marriage as an example here or transgenderism or anything else that you think is an effort to upend centuries-old, traditional cultural institutions. Mobilize masses of people to move an agenda forward. It's most effectively done when the masses are unaware of the process.

"Many newly propagandized ideas seem to have taken America by storm just in the past decade or so. Same-sex marriage is only one of those ideas. Transgenderism is now eclipsing that notion, and its propaganda techniques -- wrapped in the language of civil rights -- are getting Americans on board with the idea of erasing all sex distinctions in law, including their own. It’s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it’s large print or small."

And the propaganda is directing us leftward. "American conservatives are by and large clueless about propaganda methods and tactics. And it shows. There are virtually no conservative social psychologists around. You’d think once a liberal social psychologist hits the public over the head with this fact some on the Right would take notice and at least try to get clued in," or stand up. But no.

The reason they don't, the reason the Republicans don't is because the pressure to be hip and cool is so big because of the Republicans' brand problem, that along comes transgenderism and Republican after Republican, "Hey, if that's what a person wants to be, that's perfectly fine with me," rather than call it what it is. Basically what's happening here, the insane and the deranged and the whatever are snowballing, and they are a minority. They are snowballing the American culture here. The slightest little push-back is met with total obliteration.

Now, there's a factor here this piece doesn't mention. I don't think all this propaganda and -- you know, how long ago was transgenderism something that was way over there. There was nothing mainstream about it whatsoever. It was just not spoken of. Now it's front and center, it's normal, and, in fact, it's celebrated. Magazine covers do it. I don't think any of this could have happened this rapidly without Twitter. I think Twitter is a sewer. Well, Twitter has many sewers in it where a lot of Twitter trolls live. And the sewers of Twitter happen to be profoundly influential because they bully and threaten and intimidate. They quiet people. They shut people up. They get people fired. It is an incredible sociological thing to watch happen. It amazes me and how there is no push-back to any of this.
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Let me just cut to the chase on this because it's a really, really long and convoluted think piece. You have to strip this away to make the complex understandable. And basically this is what it is.

The left has been using social psychology on the masses for decades, creating conventional wisdom out of absolutely weird, convoluted stuff, using of course media, all media at their disposal to do so. The important thing about this is -- and it's undeniable, folks -- the important thing is that if you believe that, say, conservatives can fight this and oppose this on reason and logic alone, you're kidding yourself.

Reason and logic will not overcome mass delusion. An example of mass delusion would be a Jim Jones cult, where they all drank the purple Kool-Aid thinking they're gonna hop on the Hale-Bopp comet or whatever it was and head off to some new paradise. That was mass delusion brought on by propaganda, and all the logic and reason in the world. Families got hold of their kids that were members and they tried to get to 'em with reason and logic and it failed because reason and logic is not what entrapped them or ensnared them in the first place.

This is why so many Republican leaders are caving on so many principles, it's because they don't know and can't find a way to deal with this mass delusion of the propaganda that is the agenda of the left.

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Let me ask you a question. Are you or have you found yourself -- be honest, now. You don't have to open your mouth and admit this to anybody. Just nod your head. Have you found yourself scratching your head or looking around watching the news, whatever, wondering how in hell everything's gone to hell so fast? Have you been scratching your head wondering how in the world have things seemingly turned upside down overnight in our country? Have you asked yourself that? A lot of people are.

And the answer is found -- and I don't mean to be simplifying this -- in the concept of mass delusion that results from propaganda.
It's nothing new, folks. I'm not claiming I've discovered something new. This is something actually very old. The important thing here is that all of these supposedly brand-new, enlightened attitudes are not the result of substance and genuineness. They are resulting from propaganda. People are having their minds played with, and they are ending up being delusional. I'll give you some examples.

Look at the silencing tactics, the successful silencing tactics of something called the LGBT lobby. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender lobby. Whatever that is, it's less than 2% of the American population. And yet look at how they are steamrolling the entire population and demanding conformity or else. A lot of people are probably thinking, "Gee, I thought marriage equality was the gay rights movement. I didn't realize that fascism was part of the package."

You thought gay rights was an equality movement. You thought gay rights was based and rooted in equality, and the people promoting it, that's all they cared about was equality. You had no idea that fascism was gonna be a part of it, and that is that if you didn't agree with it, you are a target. If you don't love it, you are a target. There's a great unraveling of American culture taking place. It's happening rapidly. And just ask anybody who happens to utter the wrong pronoun.
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It's really stunning. This unraveling is happening at a rapid pace, and you could be branded a hater, you could be fired, you could be targeted on Twitter, and you could be held up for public ridicule by everybody else who's fallen for this consensus with one slip. That's why everybody conforms, that's why everybody caves and goes along 'cause they don't want to be the target of these people, and it's very clear what happens to targets. Cake stores, photography stores, pizza stores, just three examples. And you know how this manifests itself?

Look at Mike Pence. This is a great example, what happened in Indiana. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act. All it was was a restating of what's already in the Constitution. And look at the hysteria, look at the mob hysteria. You wonder how did this happen? The governor of Indiana or a little pizza owner in Indiana makes a statement and tens of thousands of people storm that little pizza store with e-mail and tweets, governor's office ditto, to the point that both of them cave, overnight?

Mike Pence goes out, promotes the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, goes on TV very proud about it, very proud of it, happy to say that Indiana has made this law, that he signed it. The next day he caved. And I don't mean to be ripping Pence here. I'm giving illustrations of how this all happens. The mob is exactly what it is. A mob. It's a mob made up of conformists who have been propagandized into believing things. I don't believe, for example, that they are all issue oriented liberals.
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And ask yourself this. As you watch cable news, as you listen to talk radio, as you read whatever you read, has it struck you that there seem to be few independent thinkers anymore? Does it not seem that no matter where you go you're gonna get a variation of the same theme, be it on the left or on the right, wherever you go? I mean, how many places -- this not a criticism per se of anybody. I'm just making an observation here. How many of you, in your daily pursuit of the news, how many of you, in the daily pursuit of staying informed, actually encounter things that make you go, "Wow. I didn't think of that. Wow. My God, I hadn't thought of that."
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Because it's all the same. But miss the Rush Limbaugh program, and there's nowhere else to go to get what happens here. All of this media is becoming conformed. It's all the same. It's different people but the same opinions, the same reactions.

And so this mass delusion and conformity is occurring even in the media. By design, by the way. And the few independent thinkers left, they don't know what hit 'em. A woman gets banned at her gym and labeled a bigot because she told management that a man -- who she only later learned "identified as female" -- entered the locker room while she was getting undressed. So this woman's in the gym. Somebody walks into the locker room. She thinks it's a man and she reports it.

It turns out that it was a transgender who walked in. "It was not a man. It was a man who thought he was a woman," and the woman who complained was thrown out of her gym, not the guy who wants to be thought of as a woman, who entered the women's locker room! The guy that walked into the women's locker room is celebrated. "He's a great guy. He's a transgender!" The woman who didn't want a man with male genitalia walking into her locker room complaining about it? She gets thrown out of the gym!

Comedians shut down. Chris Rock and Seinfeld admitting they're shut down on college campuses, not gonna go there, apparently totally clueless that it's their own ideology that is shutting them out. But I think it's fair to say, never before have the media and pop culture dictated in such a Draconian manner how each and every one of us is supposed to think about identity, everyone else's identity and our own. Not just identity. I don't think we have ever been at a point in time in life like this where we are demanded, ordered, commanded to think identically about issues that the left holds dear.

Look at Ferguson, Missouri! It's a great example. "Hands up, don't shoot" did not happen. Yes, it did! The propaganda is that "hands up, don't shoot" happened, that the kid was running away; he was shot in the back after trying to surrender by a white racist cop. The facts produced by the grand jury are irrelevant. In fact, those are ignored and shut down and discredited because the delusion is and the consensus is that "hands up, don't shoot" happened. In Baltimore, the same situation. It's playing out there all over again.

Media propaganda urging that everybody accept the false -- the demonstrably false -- version of an event. There's no real debate on the merits or policies that depend on blind faith in man-made global warming. If you disagree with it, you're called a denier, even though it cannot be proven! There is no man-made global warming. It cannot be established; it cannot be proven. In fact it's been established to be a hoax, and the man leading it claims to be a scientist. He's not. Algore!

Fraud!

Everywhere on these left-wing movements, fraud makes up a vast amount of it.
But the fraud succeeds in propagandizing, and as this piece points out: Refuting all this stuff with reason and logic just doesn't seem to make a dent. Which is why people obsessed and possessed with reason and logic reach a frustration level and give up. "My gosh, if reason and logic are not gonna inform people, convert people, and get people back off of this stuff, then I don't know what to do." So they check out, go move behind the gated community and hope the cops don't show at their swimming pool.
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George Orwell captured the whole notion of this mass delusion and propaganda, the twisted logic of the politics of collective delusion. He put it this way. Well, I'm paraphrasing. But his point was that if you believe something that differs from the social consensus -- and look at the social issues that are harping out there. They're all rooted in this apparent crisis of inequality. Somehow the masses that we're talking about here, the propagandized have been convinced that America is the land of inequality, the land of unfairness.

So however it's happened, however the propaganda has happened... We all know how. It's various arms of media and education. This Rachel Dolezal woman. There's no doubt in my mind that this woman was... At one time she may have been perfectly fine and well adjusted. Someone got hold of her, and becoming a victim looked attractive to her. Or she became jealous of people who are victims. Or she wanted to show how much she cares and sympathizes with other victims so she wanted to become one.

But I guarantee you the corruption of her mind occurred somewhere in this country in the educational system, and maybe the media or somewhere else. She did not come out of the womb that screwed up. That had to be manipulated. But this quest for equality trumping everything is a classic example. You have this social consensus. No matter how illogical that consensus is, if you happen to be the one to speak out against it, you, Orwell pointed out, are the one thought to be insane.

How about the consensus of scientists who all agree that global warming is man-made?
And what are the people that don't adopt and support and abide by the consensus? Well, they're deniers, or kooks, or weirdos. You know Obama? You know the way he involves himself in this? Obama uses rhetoric to destroy people. He has these fake straw men. He'll use a technique along the lines of... He'll make up a group of people who think something, but you don't know who the group is and you know what they're doing.

You've never heard of them. He just tells you they exist, this band of malcontents or whatever (conservatives, usually) and he proceeds to rip them a new one even though they don't exist. They're straw men. He has another technique, and this one's even better. Have you ever heard Obama say these things? Like this Supreme Court case coming up on Obamacare, have you ever heard him say he hopes the justices "play it straight"? That's not an innocent statement. That's not an innocent, haphazard, innocuous statement.

That is an accusation, a challenge, and a threat.

Because what it does is it establishes that the way Obama thinks about it is what's right, Obama's opinion of it is what's correct, and if you do not agree with Obama, you're somehow not playing it straight. You're cheating, you're faking, but your opposing view is not legitimate. You take an opinion different from Obama's and it's automatically illegitimate. That's what "I hope they play it straight" means. It's an attempt to impugn and insult and challenge the honesty and character and credibility of people who disagree with you.

It's a studied technique.

It's a practiced technique.

And he uses it all the time, uses it constantly.

It is a way that he's attempting to shame, in this case justices on the court, before they've reached their decision, and it's way for him to delegitimize their decision if it goes against him. (impression) "Well, they obviously didn't play straight. Uh, obviously they found crooked ways to get where they were gonna go! Well, so, we'll deal with." He sets it up as though he was right all along and still is right but a bunch of corrupt creeps sabotaged him. This is a famous technique used by a lot of community organizers and leftists.

Because, remember, they're all about conformity, propaganda. They're not about reality and free speech. Those are their enemies. Reality and free speech are their enemies. The one person who doesn't go along with the consensus is the weirdo, is the kook, is the insane one. So if the consensus believes something that's absolutely insane and untrue, those who come along and point that out become the dangerous freaks who need to be dealt with.
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Even if you give them the facts. Even if you tell 'em it's not tens of thousands of people on Twitter. It's five or 10 using algorithms to make themselves look like tens of thousands. It's stunning to me. I remember when I was growing up, the adults of that generation did not put up with this crap. But something's happened to transform it. The point is it's more than cultural evolution taking place here. This is not a natural cultural evolution.

It's not natural change. It is change, but I think it's brought about by artificial means, which is what propaganda is, lies. Delusion is delusion. I mean, delusion is what it is.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Wendy in Temperance, Michigan. I'm really glad you waited and welcome to the EIB Network. Hi.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. Great honor to speak with you.

RUSH: Thank you.

CALLER: I've always had two main things in my life. The first is Jesus, that doesn't change, and the second is the country. I'm a Marine Corps veteran, and I listened to that transgender call and I'm just -- it's just the sickness that's being accepted and like you said, everything you've said up to now is so true. And of course.

RUSH: Yes.

CALLER: I mean, how do you -- I want to close my doors, my windows, and I just see everything going down the tubes and say, screw it, I've cared so much for so long. I've been involved in politics and done all that, and I just feel like okay, I'm done, I'm done. You know, people are stupid. They're too busy watching Dancing With the Stars. They don't care. They don't care. I think we've passed the point and I'm discouraged and mad.


RUSH: Well, look, you're discouraged because you don't see anybody on what you consider your side --

CALLER: Hm-hm. Hm-hm.

RUSH: -- just stand up stopping it, opposing it, fighting back, pushing back, so you feel leaderless, and you don't think as an average citizen in Temperance, Michigan, you can do anything about it by yourself. You see everybody caving to it. And I know it. That aspect of it is quite dispiriting.

CALLER: Hm-hm. Hm-hm.

RUSH: I don't think we've lost it. I think this stuff all eventually reaches a point where it will. It's gonna get so absurd, and it's got a long way to go before we get there, I admit, but at some point, even the deluded are gonna puts on the brakes because it's gonna end up affecting everybody. Oh, it's got a long downward spiral ahead of it.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: There is a clubby or a cliquish aspect to this, and that is that the "members," for lack of a better word, of the politically correct crowd -- the delusional, the propagandized -- are all aware of the power they have. It feels good to them. They enjoy exacting this power over people from their positions of anonymity in the sewers of Twitter and wherever else they slither around.

But they have a very superiorist attitude about themselves. They think of themselves as perfect. They never make these mistakes. They never have a corrupt thought. They never express a corrupt idea. They never make a bad joke. They never offend anybody. They are just absolutely perfect. And they feel perfectly fine sitting in judgment of everybody else and deciding who works and who doesn't, who gets fired and who doesn't. And just think: It wasn't very long ago all of that used to be said about who?

All of that used to be said about the rich, the top 1%, conservatives, or what have you. But look who the actual Stalinists, for lack of a better term, are. Look at who they are. They're all a bunch -- whether they know it or not -- of sniveling little leftists.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/06/15/our_overnight_orwellian_unraveling
At the end of the day Limbaugh shall have his comeuppance once society realizes the sheer insanity of a man marrying a porpoise!

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
I've just been listening to them in podcast form at work. Face the Nation and Meet the Press are both good. While Fox News Sunday is to the right like everything else on Fox the only thing that is terrible on it is Brit Hume. State of the Union isn't very good either, but CNN has set my bar for them lower than Fox. I haven't checked out PBS yet, so it could take the crown.

Compared to all of these This Week with George is the worst in presentation, editing, announcer, sound, interview. It isn't a good show. Maybe it loses something in podcast form though.

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
Some ammo for your next REAGAN IS RIGHT talking point on facebook:
https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2015/sdn1513.pdf

IMF says, "rich people don't stimulate economy, poors do."

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret

Mr Hootington posted:

I've just been listening to them in podcast form at work. Face the Nation and Meet the Press are both good. While Fox News Sunday is to the right like everything else on Fox the only thing that is terrible on it is Brit Hume. State of the Union isn't very good either, but CNN has set my bar for them lower than Fox. I haven't checked out PBS yet, so it could take the crown.

Compared to all of these This Week with George is the worst in presentation, editing, announcer, sound, interview. It isn't a good show. Maybe it loses something in podcast form though.
I mean maybe they are worth watching in the kayfabe / between the lines sense once in a blue moon when something interesting is making a party change its message but really you shouldn't be that interested in what these people have to say
http://gawker.com/this-chart-shows-why-sunday-talk-shows-suck-1491625630

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

pangstrom posted:

I mean maybe they are worth watching in the kayfabe / between the lines sense once in a blue moon when something interesting is making a party change its message but really you shouldn't be that interested in what these people have to say
http://gawker.com/this-chart-shows-why-sunday-talk-shows-suck-1491625630

I'm listening for the interviews. The panels are trash, but This Week is a special garbage from what I've listened to.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

I like that "kids go to pool party" has slowly evolved from "they were smoking pot!" to "drug-fueled pool orgy" in the minds of racists.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!




quote:

They mob the area, they jump the fence, get aggressive, unruly, having sex all over the place, screaming curse words, and they do this because there's no place for them to go swim.

Holy poo poo. I want this line right here to go viral. I want him removed from every radio station that exists.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Because my sister likes everything Noted War Criminal Allen West posts, I get to see his into his small mentality world view.

Today, I saw "The one question I would ask every person leaving a Hillary rally." After reading several paragraphs about how horrible socialism is which included a Winston Churchill quote, Joe the Plumber and an imaginary discussion about all of the "socialism" that has taken over our country, West finally asks his question: "would you give up your iPhone 6S to poor people?" Or "would Hillary let poor people move into her neighborhood?"

Dammit sister.....just dammit.

I love how the right throws out these hypotheticals that they know drat well they would never go for. Guess years of not being called on your bullshit has that effect on people.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Takoluka posted:

Holy poo poo. I want this line right here to go viral. I want him removed from every radio station that exists.

That is some serious "MFer I want more iced tea" poo poo.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

pangstrom posted:

I mean maybe they are worth watching in the kayfabe / between the lines sense once in a blue moon when something interesting is making a party change its message but really you shouldn't be that interested in what these people have to say
http://gawker.com/this-chart-shows-why-sunday-talk-shows-suck-1491625630

The fact that Bill Kristol is still allowed on their panels is all the reason you should need.

But I still watch them. It's like reading Drudge, they discuss what the media is talking about and are a good way to get a feel for the messaging if you aren't already keeping up with everything.

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GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

An unrepentant and repugnant stain upon humanity posted:

And today we have a story in the Washington Post, are you ready for the headline? "How the Rise of Gated Spaces like Swimming Pools Can Quietly Perpetuate Racial Tension." Snerdley is laughing in there. See, this is what you do.

I read this article. This article is not what he purports it to be. It's about the history of swimming pools in the United States and how swimming pools used to be public. Once segregation kicked into high gear the public pools dried up and instead of public pools, new pools were gated affairs that required membership that was unsurprisingly unobtainable for most black people.

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