USPol June: Words no longer have meaning

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Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day,

~ Donald Trump

I pity the poor unpaid intern who had to loop the speech and type it up to get all the unplanned remarks in there

It's not as bad as The New Yorker making interns go through decades of Bill Kristol stuff and catching all the Churchill stuff, but it is bad

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:33

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# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:36

Lyapunov Unstable: Nov 20, 2011

Trabisnikof posted:

I know, I'd have to double the size of my contracting department and slash the size of payroll!

Contract work: immune to changes in price due to demand

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:38

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

quote:

THIS month, the headlines were about a Muslim man in Boston who was accused of threatening police officers with a knife. Last month, two Muslims attacked an anti-Islamic conference in Garland, Tex. The month before, a Muslim man was charged with plotting to drive a truck bomb onto a military installation in Kansas. If you keep up with the news, you know that a small but steady stream of American Muslims, radicalized by overseas extremists, are engaging in violence here in the United States.

But headlines can mislead. The main terrorist threat in the United States is not from violent Muslim extremists, but from right-wing extremists. Just ask the police.

In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism.

The self-proclaimed Islamic State�s efforts to radicalize American Muslims, which began just after the survey ended, may have increased threat perceptions somewhat, but not by much, as we found in follow-up interviews over the past year with counterterrorism specialists at 19 law enforcement agencies. These officers, selected from urban and rural areas around the country, said that radicalization from the Middle East was a concern, but not as dangerous as radicalization among right-wing extremists.

An officer from a large metropolitan area said that �militias, neo-Nazis and sovereign citizens� are the biggest threat we face in regard to extremism. One officer explained that he ranked the right-wing threat higher because �it is an emerging threat that we don�t have as good of a grip on, even with our intelligence unit, as we do with the Al Shabab/Al Qaeda issue, which we have been dealing with for some time.� An officer on the West Coast explained that the �sovereign citizen� anti-government threat has �really taken off,� whereas terrorism by American Muslim is something �we just haven�t experienced yet.�

Last year, for example, a man who identified with the sovereign citizen movement � which claims not to recognize the authority of federal or local government � attacked a courthouse in Forsyth County, Ga., firing an assault rifle at police officers and trying to cover his approach with tear gas and smoke grenades. The suspect was killed by the police, who returned fire. In Nevada, anti-government militants reportedly walked up to and shot two police officers at a restaurant, then placed a �Don�t tread on me� flag on their bodies. An anti-government extremist in Pennsylvania was arrested on suspicion of shooting two state troopers, killing one of them, before leading authorities on a 48-day manhunt. A right-wing militant in Texas declared a �revolution� and was arrested on suspicion of attempting to rob an armored car in order to buy weapons and explosives and attack law enforcement. These individuals on the fringes of right-wing politics increasingly worry law enforcement officials.

Law enforcement agencies around the country are training their officers to recognize signs of anti-government extremism and to exercise caution during routine traffic stops, criminal investigations and other interactions with potential extremists. �The threat is real,� says the handout from one training program sponsored by the Department of Justice. Since 2000, the handout notes, 25 law enforcement officers have been killed by right-wing extremists, who share a �fear that government will confiscate firearms� and a �belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.�

Despite public anxiety about extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, the number of violent plots by such individuals has remained very low. Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.

In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy�s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.

Other data sets, using different definitions of political violence, tell comparable stories. The Global Terrorism Database maintained by the Start Center at the University of Maryland includes 65 attacks in the United States associated with right-wing ideologies and 24 by Muslim extremists since 9/11. The International Security Program at the New America Foundation identifies 39 fatalities from �non-jihadist� homegrown extremists and 26 fatalities from �jihadist� extremists.

Meanwhile, terrorism of all forms has accounted for a tiny proportion of violence in America. There have been more than 215,000 murders in the United States since 9/11. For every person killed by Muslim extremists, there have been 4,300 homicides from other threats.

Public debates on terrorism focus intensely on Muslims. But this focus does not square with the low number of plots in the United States by Muslims, and it does a disservice to a minority group that suffers from increasingly hostile public opinion. As state and local police agencies remind us, right-wing, anti-government extremism is the leading source of ideological violence in America.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:38

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Lyapunov Unstable posted:

Contract work: immune to changes in price due to demand

Well, the supply will increase as I fire salaried employees, so it evens out in the wash. And I'll probably be able to reduce benefits and taxes too!

If you're trying to content companies don't use contractors instead of real employees to avoid labor laws, well I have a bridge in New York City you can work on constructing.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:41

Lyapunov Unstable: Nov 20, 2011

Trabisnikof posted:

Well, the supply will increase as I fire salaried employees, so it evens out in the wash. And I'll probably be able to reduce benefits and taxes too!

If you're trying to content companies don't use contractors instead of real employees to avoid labor laws, well I have a bridge in New York City you can work on constructing.

What exactly is stopping you from doing this right now? Were all workers in the 1970s contractors?

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:47

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Lyapunov Unstable posted:

What exactly is stopping you from doing this right now? Were all workers in the 1970s contractors?

The cost of personal change? It isn't free to engage in large scale shifts of your labor structure.

But if I have to start paying people overtime, that longterm cost will outweigh the short term costs of restructuring.

A lot more of the workers in the 1970s were unionized, which usually prevents poo poo like this. Which is why the unions got busted asap.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:52

Samuel Clemens: Oct 4, 2013; I think we should call the Avengers.

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day,

~ Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF7OnW4XDck

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:53

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Joementum posted:

Quote of the day,

~ Donald Trump

Donald Trump posted:

Sadly, the American dream is dead.
...
Thank you. Thank you very much.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:56

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Bonus quote of the day, "I think Oprah would be great. I'd love to have Oprah. I think we'd win easily, actually." ~ Donald Trump, on potential running mates.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 21:58

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

Joementum posted:

Bonus quote of the day, "I think Oprah would be great. I'd love to have Oprah. I think we'd win easily, actually." ~ Donald Trump, on potential running mates.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:08

pangstrom: Jan 25, 2003; Wedge Regret

He doesn't need Oprah the blacks love him already. He should be his own VP and dress as gold when he's talking as the president and silver when he's talking as the VP.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:12

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/darrell-issa-escorted-out-benghazi-hearing

quote:

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) was escorted out of Tuesday�s Benghazi deposition by panel chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) about a minute after he snuck into the private hearing, The Hill reported.

The former House Oversight Chairman reportedly attempted to observe Sidney Blumenthal�s deposition before the House Select Committee. Blumenthal was an adviser to 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Issa and Gowdy spoke outside the hearing before Issa sulked off, according to The Hill.

�Sorry about that,� Gowdy reportedly said as he reentered the closed-door session.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:13

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Sir Tonk posted:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/darrell-issa-escorted-out-benghazi-hearing

I hear it was actually his brother who tried to sneak in.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:15

Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

Sir Tonk posted:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/darrell-issa-escorted-out-benghazi-hearing

Did he buy getting kicked out of a hearing insurance the week before?

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:16

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Sir Tonk posted:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/darrell-issa-escorted-out-benghazi-hearing

God, that guy is just obsessed with Benghazi huh?

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:21

Armani: Jun 22, 2008; Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

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Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Rise of terrorism from our own Americans.

Holy poo poo that's a great article, thank you.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:25

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

also a year back or so Maddow had a great expose on the whole freemen on the land movement in the wake of the Cliven Bundy brouhaha, but I don't have a link on hand

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:27

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Sir Tonk posted:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/darrell-issa-escorted-out-benghazi-hearing

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:40

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lol he just stomps off like a cry baby.

I wonder where this footage came from though, no way someone was that lucky to be filming that angle with their phone just out of the blue.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:50

ReidRansom: Oct 25, 2004

site posted:

lol he just stomps off like a cry baby.

I wonder where this footage came from though, no way someone was that lucky to be filming that angle with their phone just out of the blue.

looks like they were recording a security monitor.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:52

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

site posted:

lol he just stomps off like a cry baby.

I wonder where this footage came from though, no way someone was that lucky to be filming that angle with their phone just out of the blue.

The news crews set up in the hallway outside the hearing trying to get interviews with people on the committee as they enter/leave.

This is from one of the NBC web reporters shooting the camera monitor with his phone.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 22:58

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Bitch

Joementum posted:

The news crews set up in the hallway outside the hearing trying to get interviews with people on the committee as they enter/leave.

This is from one of the NBC web reporters shooting the camera monitor with his phone.

Hahaha well played web reporter guy. Good thinking!

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:06

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

site posted:

Hahaha well played web reporter guy. Good thinking!

If I were a reporter on the Hill, I'd just wear a pair of Google Glasses and just record everything, everywhere, at all times.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:08

Grey Fox: Jan 5, 2004

Stultus Maximus posted:

I hear it was actually his brother who tried to sneak in.

Not surprising; Darrell's been burned before.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:08

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

mdemone posted:

If I were a reporter on the Hill, I'd just wear a pair of Google Glasses and just record everything, everywhere, at all times.

For like 30 minutes until the batteries on your stupid enormous super obvious glasses die.

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Bitch

Looks like Killer Mike will not be reppin for GA

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:35

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Senator Shaheen's staff are bringing a "moose" to the Senate.

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:46

baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

i'm sure there's a good reason for it

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:49

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Joementum posted:

Senator Shaheen's staff are bringing a "moose" to the Senate.

I feel like context wouldn't really help in this instance

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:54

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Bring back the Bullmoose Party

# ? Jun 16, 2015 23:57

Old James: Nov 20, 2003; Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

Joementum posted:

Quote of the day,

~ Donald Trump

Oh God, I can't wait for the first Republican debate!

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:00

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Experience New Hampshire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOGuGmy6Kvk

Every office does this, but Hawai'i On The Hill looks like it was way more fun.

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:01

Chokes McGee: Aug 7, 2008; This is Urotsuki.

Fried Chicken posted:

I feel like context wouldn't really help in this instance

Some things just happen. There's no reason for it and all we can do is marvel in the completely unpredictable surprise. :allears:

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:02

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Old James posted:

Oh God, I can't wait for the first Republican debate!

I can't wait for the first time a debate moderator tries to cut him off. :getin:

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:03

Defenestration: Aug 10, 2006; "It wasn't my fault that my first unconscious thought turned out to be-"
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Joementum posted:

Quote of the day,

~ Donald Trump

quote:

I have so many websites, I have them all over the place. I hire people, they do a website. It costs me $3. $5 billion website.

It's so hard to pick a favorite. But right now I'm going with this

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:11

Gyges: Aug 4, 2004; NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Joementum posted:

I can't wait for the first time a debate moderator tries to cut him off.

Really, it's all about his closing statement. Not since The Donald's opening statement has a candidate so fully and declaratively praised not only their performance but the manner in which they won.

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:29

NoEyedSquareGuy: Mar 16, 2009; Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."

Defenestration posted:

It's so hard to pick a favorite. But right now I'm going with this

Also this:

quote:

I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. I tell you that.

Just a really amazing speech in general.

# ? Jun 17, 2015 00:34

Grey Fox: Jan 5, 2004

Fried Chicken posted:

I feel like context wouldn't really help in this instance

All I'm thinking is I wish I could put "U.S. Senate Moose Handler" on my resume to help it stand out more.

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fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

From the 2016 thread: Jeb Bush thinks the next president will need to privatize Social Security.

quote:

Speaking in Derry, New Hampshire, Tuesday, Bush acknowledged that when his brother President George W. Bush attempted to privatize Social Security in 2005, he met great bipartisan resistance.

Joementum posted:

�My brother tried, got totally wiped out,� Bush said. �Republicans and Democrats wanted nothing to do with it. The next president is going to have to try again.�

Seriously between this and fumbling the Iraq question, Jeb has managed to step squarely on at least two of the largest and most obvious land mines from his brother's presidency, and we're not even anywhere near the general. I really am questioning Jeb's supposed "inevitability" if he can't even dodge the most obvious fuckups from his brother's presidency.

fade5 fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jun 17, 2015

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