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Thoguh posted:I was trying to find the start date for fall camps and got distracted when I saw that UNC-Charlotte is moving up to FBS this season and joining Conference USA. So I took a second to look at the current Conference USA membership. Marshall's been pretty legit a few times, and manages to bring in some good talent thanks to their academic standards.
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I hope this never fizzles out: (That's Dan @ Mississippi State)
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Thoguh posted:I was trying to find the start date for fall camps and got distracted when I saw that UNC-Charlotte is moving up to FBS this season and joining Conference USA. So I took a second to look at the current Conference USA membership. C-USA was really good and competitive last year outside of like FAU
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Jun 16, 2015 18:56
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Marshall won like 11 games Western Kentucky had a pretty drat good offense UAB hung in with Miss State longer than anyone was comfortable with and almost upset Marshall (and should have gone to a bowl) Rice is fine Southern Miss was dogshit but slightly less dogshit than previously and should actually be a decent program most years. I don't know much about the rest but the conference racked up major wins during bowl season. Overall it's above the MAC and Sunbelt by far and probably slightly overpowered by the Mountain West. It's a fun conference where tickets and beer at games are cheap, the tv contracts are good and a huge boon to members, and they're all too good for the most part now to participate in FCS.
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Thoguh posted:I was trying to find the start date for fall camps and got distracted when I saw that UNC-Charlotte is moving up to FBS this season and joining Conference USA. So I took a second to look at the current Conference USA membership. Tulane got out just in time.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:04
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C2C - 2.0 posted:I hope this never fizzles out: Hopefully Mullen never wants a kid from Michigan.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:10
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Louisiana Tech has had legit years, and they produced Terry Bradshaw (and unfortunately, Phil Robertson)
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Raku posted:Marshall won like 11 games None of them are remotely self sufficient, here's USA Today's numbers for Conference USA, which are from 2013-14 so don't include the most recent round of conference changes. School-Conference-Total Revenue-Total Expenses -Total Subsidy-Percent Subsidy  They are all highly dependent on subsidies to survive. And conferences like this are trying to go along with full cost of attendance and otherwise leveraging themselves in an attempt to keep up with the P5 conferences. It isn't sustainable. And those numbers are pretty much in line with most schools from the MAC, AAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt. Thoguh fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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Jun 16, 2015 19:20
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Thoguh posted:None of them are remotely self sufficient, here's USA Today's numbers for Conference USA, which are from 2013-14 so don't include the most recent round of conference changes. Note that there are like 25 FBS programs above the lowest revenue C-USA program on that list. Also who the gently caress cares, UAB makes something like twice as much money as Alabama as a university (Alabama is actually a leech in the UA system) so it's not like they can't afford it. If we're going to look at college athletics as a business only 10 teams are going to survive.
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Korranus posted:Louisiana Tech has had legit years, and they produced Terry Bradshaw (and unfortunately, Phil Robertson) We had Troy Edwards and Tim Rattay also who were dynamite at least in college.
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Regnevelc posted:Hopefully Mullen never wants a kid from Michigan. I seriously doubt they even bother recruiting it.
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Michigan produces some pretty good college talent though vOv Not Florida levels but still pretty good. Also Michigan State's Cotton Bowl rings are in 
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Michigan produces some pretty good college talent though vOv But they didn't win the crystal ball.. and also, the Harris ranking?????
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Michigan produces some pretty good college talent though vOv Not enough for a team from Mississippi to waste a significant amount of time/effort trying to fight Michigan and OSU for it, given how much closer they are to states with way more of it. They've probably offered someone from up there at some point but I doubt it happens often enough that Mullen really cares about alienating the state with some off hand comment no one is going to read or remember anyway. laffo did they seriously put their harris ranking on a ring
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Thoguh posted:I was trying to find the start date for fall camps and got distracted when I saw that UNC-Charlotte is moving up to FBS this season and joining Conference USA. So I took a second to look at the current Conference USA membership. Aren't half of these pretty big schools anyway?
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Michigan produces some pretty good college talent though vOv Ahahaha why Harris, why not AP, they got the exact same rank there and AP is a more widely used poll
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Regnevelc posted:the Harris ranking????? It's linebacker Darien Harris' ring.
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Thoguh posted:None of them are remotely self sufficient, here's USA Today's numbers for Conference USA, which are from 2013-14 so don't include the most recent round of conference changes. Personally, my biggest takeaway from the UAB thing was these athletic departments basically use Hollywood accounting to show however much of a loss (or gain) they want. As long as students stay willing to pay fees marked as subsidies, they may as well be a line item in a marketing budget Signed, someone who paid $150 per semester to help subsidize an 0-11 team a decade ago. dirty shrimp money fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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Jun 16, 2015 22:59
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You're truly a saint. I wasn't around yet for the 0-11 season, but I'm the most negative (justified or not) fan I know anyway.
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Honestly it's a pretty good deal. You pay a tiny percent more on your already heinous and unjustifiable tuition bill, a bunch of poorer kids with different talents than you get a degree and kill each other for your enjoyment.
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Boyd is really good, but I am contractually obligated to point out that Leonte Carroo is criminally underrated and is holy poo poo good.
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C-USA is better than other mid-majors, like the AAC or the Big ten
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MourningView posted:Not enough for a team from Mississippi to waste a significant amount of time/effort trying to fight Michigan and OSU for it, given how much closer they are to states with way more of it. They've probably offered someone from up there at some point but I doubt it happens often enough that Mullen really cares about alienating the state with some off hand comment no one is going to read or remember anyway. Oh no I agree that it's certainly not a huge loss for them, just that Michigan isn't some football wasteland as fat as talent goes
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Alouicious posted:C-USA is better than other mid-majors, like the AAC or the Big ten
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Oh no I agree that it's certainly not a huge loss for them, just that Michigan isn't some football wasteland as fat as talent goes True, Mississippi is like fattie heaven, though.
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JRizzle posted:Aren't half of these pretty big schools anyway? Middle Tennessee State is larger in terms of student population than UT-Knoxville.
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University of Phoenix has like a billion students but that doesn't mean they should have footballs
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Mike Miller@MikeMillerHT Indiana safety Antonio Allen is in Monroe County Jail on charges of dealing Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, along with possession charges. #iufb
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pillsburysoldier posted:Mike Miller@MikeMillerHT These things are illegal in Indiana? The more you know...
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C2C - 2.0 posted:These things are illegal in Indiana? The more you know... Your allowed to deal Meth but all three is to much.
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Indiana has a very clear license system set up, you get one of the three. Triple dipping is just greedy.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Oh no I agree that it's certainly not a huge loss for them, just that Michigan isn't some football wasteland as fat as talent goes Well not yet anyway. But anyway yeah it's fine by Midwest standards. Iowa recruits the Detroit area a bunch with occasional success.
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Carl Davis!
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Yeah if you spread the subsidy out over 25K+ students it's not bad.
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Early signing period tabled for the year by the whoever it is that votes on that.
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Early signing period tabled for the year by the whoever it is that votes on that. I don't see how this won't pass once it actually gets up for a boat.
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KKKLIP ART posted:I don't see how this won't pass once it actually gets up for a boat. I don't see how it will accomplish anything except making the exact same NSD stuff happen earlier.
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With coaches recruiting middle schoolers I don't understand why they need early signing periods at all
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Raku posted:Honestly it's a pretty good deal. You pay a tiny percent more on your already heinous and unjustifiable tuition bill, a bunch of poorer kids with different talents than you get a degree and kill each other for your enjoyment. I wasn't suggesting they drop football. All football is good football. I was suggesting that most of the schools in Conference USA and the Sun Belt (plus some from the AAC and MAC) should drop from FBS to FCS (in many cases just going back to where they were a few years ago). Right now they're reaching in order to say they are FBS. But they require huge subsidies and their attendance numbers are generally around or below 20k (FIU is especially bad, at 11k). Here's last years numbers on average attendance from the NCAA. UAB - 21k Florida Atlantic - 14k Florida International - 11k Louisiana Tech - 20k Marshall - 27k Middle Tennessee State - 17k UNC-Charlotte - 13k North Texas - 19k Old Dominion - 20k Rice - 19k Southern Miss - 23k UT El Paso - 28k UT San Antonio - 28k Western Kentucky - 16k Hell, just actually enforcing the 15k attendance minimum for FBS (which I think should be more like 20 or 25k) would go a long way towards cleaning up the schools that are reaching despite having a much more FCS level of fanbase and funds. Plus then they actually play in a regional conference and can develop actual rivalries and other things that make football fun instead of just jumping around and playing a different set of schools from a thousand miles away every season. Thoguh fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Thoguh posted:I wasn't suggesting they drop football. All football is good football. I was suggesting that most of the schools in Conference USA and the Sun Belt (plus some from the AAC and MAC) should drop from FBS to FCS (in many cases just going back to where they were a few years ago). Right now they're reaching in order to say they are FBS. But they require huge subsidies and their attendance numbers are generally around or below 20k (FIU is especially bad, at 11k). Here's last years numbers on average attendance from the NCAA. FCS football isn't regularly broadcast therefore we need as many FBS teams as possible 
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