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kastein posted:NOT THIS loving poo poo AGAIN Lol.
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Mr. Despair posted:Lol. Somebody is loving proud of that fix job, too.
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Crossposting/Quoting myself from the quick fix thread to hopefully get more suggestions. I'm trying to get my washer and drier that I just bought installed and there's a problem with every hookup for them it seems. Gas line: what do you suggest here? It's flex line and I can't tell how far it goes back in the tiny hole in the drywall, but at least a few inches. Is this ok or not? There's the yellow flex line in the basement and crawl space leading to this area of the house, I just don't know how far this line goes back to it. Dryer duct: plan is to rip out all the PCV and redo it with metal. Will start tearing into drywall soon.  (was hoping to avoid having to do this)Washer drain: too low, needs about 8-9" higher to be compliant with the washer I bought. Is there a clean way to do this? The water supply lines seem ok, the drain just needs moved up. It would be nice to leave the water lines alone and just raise the drain height but I don't want to half rear end it. Edit: want to get started on this ASAP and get it installed since it sucks having to go to the laundromat.
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Jun 15, 2015 16:31
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 quote:Just how bad are the water-damaged wooden beams helping prop up the glass canopy above busy Director Park? http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/director_park_support_beam_so.html Those rotten wood support beams are holding up a gazillion pound glass canopy above pedestrians
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Jun 15, 2015 16:49
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There's no reason for that wood to have rotted so fast, whats up with that?
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Jun 15, 2015 17:48
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Baronjutter posted:There's no reason for that wood to have rotted so fast, whats up with that? Untreated wood, Oregon weather? quote:The company reported that none of the wooden beams appeared to be pressure-treated or coated with sealant to fight weather conditions. As a result, 54 of the wooden beams had obvious water damage and needed immediate or near-term action, according to the report, released to The Oregonian/OregonLive in response to a public records request.
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Jun 15, 2015 17:54
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It was untreated wood and it's the Pacific Northwest. It is literally a rain forest.
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Jun 15, 2015 17:55
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Larrymer posted:Crossposting/Quoting myself from the quick fix thread to hopefully get more suggestions. I'm trying to get my washer and drier that I just bought installed and there's a problem with every hookup for them it seems. Get a plumber to redo your gas line with black iron. The flex hose is pretty unsafe. Have them redo the supply and drain while they are there. Tell them you'll clean up and that might defray some cost. Be nice and ask to watch and you'll learn how to make a sweated joint. Welcome to owning a house, it's loving expensive.
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Jun 15, 2015 17:57
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Phanatic posted:It was untreated wood and it's the Pacific Northwest. It is literally a rain forest. Untreated, god drat. I live here and know of tons of wooden structures out in parks and poo poo all covered in moss and are still solid after 30+ years. Lot of old bridges and big huge gazebo type things where kids on field trips gather. Probably some dumbfuck architect that thought treating the wood would harm his artistic vision for a true and natural organic structure.
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Jun 15, 2015 18:02
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Baronjutter posted:Untreated, god drat. I live here and know of tons of wooden structures out in parks and poo poo all covered in moss and are still solid after 30+ years. Lot of old bridges and big huge gazebo type things where kids on field trips gather. Probably some dumbfuck architect that thought treating the wood would harm his artistic vision for a true and natural organic structure. More likely the construction team was too cheap to pay the extra buck per board to treat it.
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Jun 15, 2015 18:12
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:More likely the construction team was too cheap to pay the extra buck per board to treat it. For a project like that every single screw and nut is exactly laid out in the contract. Absolutely nothing is put down to the builder's choice, so any deviation would end up with a lawsuit, or wouldn't have passed inspection. The fact that it was untreated was consciously decided by either the architect or engineer and approved by multiple people making six figure salaries.
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Jun 15, 2015 18:17
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XmasGiftFromWife posted:Get a plumber to redo your gas line with black iron. The flex hose is pretty unsafe. CSST is just fine when your house isn't being struck by lightning. Make sure it's bonded to minimize the risk when your house is being struck by lightning. Replacing it all would be a waste of money. For the part that's sticking out there, you need a termination mount that is rigidly affixed to the wall, with a strike plate to protect the tubing around it.
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Jun 15, 2015 18:20
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kastein posted:NOT THIS loving poo poo AGAIN The kitchen sink in my first house had a drain that had been "fixed" like that, but as a bonus had no water shut off valves, they were conveniently located in the crawlspace, under the bedroom, at the opposite corner of the house. It was actually easier to shut the water off at the street for the whole house than to get to the valves for the kitchen sink. Neither bathroom sink had shutoff valves either.
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Jun 15, 2015 19:40
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Baronjutter posted:For a project like that every single screw and nut is exactly laid out in the contract. Absolutely nothing is put down to the builder's choice, so any deviation would end up with a lawsuit, or wouldn't have passed inspection. The fact that it was untreated was consciously decided by either the architect or engineer and approved by multiple people making six figure salaries. But, see, if I treated the wood, it wouldn't age, and I can't make visiting the park part of a unique experience in understanding the transitive nature of buildings and their place in the history of the world. Aging IS a thing. We need to accept that.
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Jun 15, 2015 23:49
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Zhentar posted:CSST is just fine when your house isn't being struck by lightning. Make sure it's bonded to minimize the risk when your house is being struck by lightning. Replacing it all would be a waste of money. I'm concerned because it looks like the hose was shoved into a wall space and the pokes out of the drywall. Not being able to visibly inspect the length of it would warrant replacement.
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Jun 16, 2015 15:57
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XmasGiftFromWife posted:I'm concerned because it looks like the hose was shoved into a wall space and the pokes out of the drywall. Not being able to visibly inspect the length of it would warrant replacement. I've seen way too much of that stuff well past it's bend radius when fished through finished walls.
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Jun 16, 2015 16:36
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Jun 16, 2015 18:52
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Picture is kind of small, but is that a set of French Doors that open on thin air?
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Jun 16, 2015 18:54
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Is that a picture of that balcony? Cos it might be a touch too soon. Alternatively, yes, those french doors do open onto thin air. Now.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:10
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No, it's a collapsed balcony - the doors are where it used to be, and you can actually see the railings landed on the balcony below it. To be fair I am not sure that it was crappy construction, that little balcony somehow had 13 people on it. 
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Jun 16, 2015 19:11
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Ashcans posted:To be fair I am not sure that it was crappy construction, that little balcony somehow had 13 people on it. Probably that. People usually don't consider that the weight of humans can kill buildings. Or that a few dozen people jumping up and down in sync on a parking structure roof could cause concrete to flex. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr3HTkkpvtU
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Jun 16, 2015 19:19
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i puckered seeing that
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Jun 16, 2015 19:22
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canyoneer posted:Probably that. People usually don't consider that the weight of humans can kill buildings. Reminds me of games Texas A&M. Each section of the stadium held something like 35k people and during the fight song they'd lock shoulders and legs and sway in unison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk3jP6FKFVo poo poo would rock the stadium for a good five seconds after it's stop.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:31
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Classmates had to pay a huge repair bill on a rented ski cabin after a rousing rendition of Jump Around got 50 people to hop in unison and they cracked the sill on two sides. People expose buildings to stresses that no engineer could have imagined. Though with sports stadiums they really should see massed stupidity as an inevitability.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:39
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canyoneer posted:Probably that. People usually don't consider that the weight of humans can kill buildings. This is generally terrifying whenever it happens, because car park design loading actually isn't all that big. It's not even close to what your design for the sort of large gathering you see every one in a while. Also, engineers imagine all this kind of poo poo, you just can't justify designing to the completely crazy edge cases that are always going to happen. I've literally had internet forum discussions with other structural engineers about whether it's justifiable to to design upper floors in parking lots to huge load capacity in case this sort of thing happens.
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Jun 16, 2015 20:32
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It wouldn't at all surprise me if that balcony was intended for like 3 people to fit on, and they were like 'well you know, people are nuts' and then built it to support 10 just in case, and now someone is holding their head in their hands wondering how the hell 13 people got onto that thing and kicking themselves for not building to 5x capacity.
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Jun 16, 2015 21:29
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And adding another hull to the Titanic would have stopped it from sinking.
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Jun 16, 2015 22:30
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canyoneer posted:
That's actually a fairly small awl, or maybe a Torx driver and very large bolts -- I have that same screwdriver set.
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Jun 16, 2015 23:38
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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XmasGiftFromWife posted:I'm concerned because it looks like the hose was shoved into a wall space and the pokes out of the drywall. Not being able to visibly inspect the length of it would warrant replacement. In the basement it looks like one long line of the CSST line to that hole, but without being able to really see in there I can't say for sure. I assume this is still bad?
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Jun 17, 2015 00:24
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Delivery McGee posted:That's actually a fairly small awl, or maybe a Torx driver and very large bolts -- I have that same screwdriver set. Well here's the full report to muck around in http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Miller%20Engineering%20Report%5B1%5D.pdf From the report, the beams are 3.5" x 10.5" glulam beams
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Jun 17, 2015 00:41
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Ashcans posted:It wouldn't at all surprise me if that balcony was intended for like 3 people to fit on, and they were like 'well you know, people are nuts' and then built it to support 10 just in case, and now someone is holding their head in their hands wondering how the hell 13 people got onto that thing and kicking themselves for not building to 5x capacity. Balconies built to code in the US should generally be built to a service load of 100psf. With safety factor, you really shouldn't be able to break that even with people jammed in there. Some people argue that small balconies should be designed to the loading requirements of the room they're attached too. It's a stretch of a code interpretation. That could get you as low as 40 psf... It's not the right way to do it, though.
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Jun 17, 2015 07:20
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According to the news article, when new that balcony was legally designed for 60psf. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-berkeley-balcony-collapse-20150616-story.html#page=1 quote:The building was erected under 1998 building codes, and the balcony should have withstood up to 60 pounds per square foot, according to the city.
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Jun 17, 2015 07:32
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Guess that shows me!
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Jun 17, 2015 14:50
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The Gardenator posted:According to the news article, when new that balcony was legally designed for 60psf. Amm, how does "water seeping into beams" mean dry rot? Isn't that NORMAL rot?
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Amm, how does "water seeping into beams" mean dry rot? Isn't that NORMAL rot? Not really. Dry rot is just a weird outdated term for wood decay due to certain types of fungi.
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Jun 17, 2015 15:17
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The Gardenator posted:According to the news article, when new that balcony was legally designed for 60psf. This is to me a confusing way of describing load capacity. That means that if the balcony is, say, 10'x6', that's 60 square feet, so the balcony needs to have a design load of 60*60 = 3600 lbs, right? It does not mean that if I take an object that weighs 70 lbs and has a base that's 1 square foot in area, and place it on that balcony I've exceed the design limit, right?
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Jun 17, 2015 16:00
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The difference is, the way you want to describe it only specs one single balcony. The way it's actually described specs ALL balconies, as it scales with the size of the balcony. Performing the actual multiplication is left as an exercise to the designer.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:01
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Yeah, it's just odd-seeming, is all. If I'm building a raised floor for a server room and I use stuff that's rated to load limit of 1500lbs per square foot, it doesn't mean that my 1000-square-foot server room's floor can support 1.5 million pounds.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:29
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Well, those are two completely different problems. The server room floor is done that way so people can forklift loaded racks in and out, but they know it won't be filled that densely all the time, while as we can see, dumbasses do pack balconies that full.
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The difference is total load vs footprint load. Are there engineering terms used to differentiate these cases?
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