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Dr.Zeppelin posted:If people cared that much about not dying they should obviously just pack heat in church and don't pray so intently that they lose tactical awareness of all ingress points while doing so. It's about priorities Well, their preference is that they be very devout at the expense of not being prepared for a lone wolf gunman to walk into their church and gun them down. As a Libertarian, I cannot condone a man's willingness to murder his fellow rational men, but it's the congregation's fault for not recognizing their vulnerability and taking corrective action and I do not feel that government intervention would solve any problems here, if there were any. The solution the free market had provided for them was to hire armed security guards, like that brave Geller woman down in Texas did, to protect them from anti-Christian hate crimes. As for the shooter himself, I strongly suspect that he was misled by modern psychiatry into taking some sort of mind-altering substance and was unable to rationally assess the cost-benefit of attacking a church full of peaceful God-loving Christians. The chuchgoers' lack of weaponry probably only tipped the analysis even further, because of the repressive anti-gun laws imposed under the Obama administration, once again proving the futility of government intervention. In a truly free market, the survivors would be free to pursue a binding arbitration to settle their grievances with the shooter. 
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So how many shooting sprees by 20-something neonazi 4chan posters is this now? Three?
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Doctor Butts posted:Are felons allowed to own firearms? Only if their Dad gives it to them as a present.
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Wales Grey posted:Well, their preference is that they be very devout at the expense of not being prepared for a lone wolf gunman to walk into their church and gun them down. As a Libertarian, I cannot condone a man's willingness to murder his fellow rational men, but it's the congregation's fault for not recognizing their vulnerability and taking corrective action and I do not feel that government intervention would solve any problems here, if there were any. The solution the free market had provided for them was to hire armed security guards, like that brave Geller woman down in Texas did, to protect them from anti-Christian hate crimes. As for the shooter himself, I strongly suspect that he was misled by modern psychiatry into taking some sort of mind-altering substance and was unable to rationally assess the cost-benefit of attacking a church full of peaceful God-loving Christians. The chuchgoers' lack of weaponry probably only tipped the analysis even further, because of the repressive anti-gun laws imposed under the Obama administration, once again proving the futility of government intervention. In a truly free market, the survivors would be free to pursue a binding arbitration to settle their grievances with the shooter. quote:In 1743, South Carolina also required “every white male inhabitant of this Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:In 1743, South Carolina also required “every white male inhabitant of this Behodl, the wisdom of our forefathers under a benevolent and lightened government and the purity of the gold standard.
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Jun 18, 2015 22:43
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Wales Grey posted:Behodl, the wisdom of our forefathers under a benevolent and lightened government and the purity of the gold standard. quote:"The stated purpose of this severe gun control measure—requiring every white man to be armed—was “for the better security of this Province against the insurrections and other wicked attempts of Negroes and other Slaves...
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Jun 18, 2015 22:45
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Risked my life and read the comments of a fox news article doing a bio on the guy. Apparently liberals often buy confederate plates and make racist jokes to their friends all the time. Had to stop watching it come in live when someone posted "high five dylan! More to come!"
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Jun 18, 2015 22:52
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It's interesting to see that the "scary black man" has always been an impetus for gun ownership in the USA.
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beatlegs posted:Jesus is the answer, said the Libertarian. 
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icantfindaname posted:So how many shooting sprees by 20-something neonazi 4chan posters is this now? Three? Sorry, what were the others?
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Periodiko posted:Sorry, what were the others? Breivik and the dude who couldn't get laid I can think of off the top of my head, I have a feeling there's more
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Jun 18, 2015 23:40
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There was that weird incident where three Muslims got shot over a parking space? Never really heard the full story on that one.
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Master Twig posted:It's one thing for Right Wingers to deny that they themselves are racist, but it's so odd that they wont even admit that racism exists. Like, why can't they just say that this guy is a racist shitbag and doesn't represent them at all. Why is it so hard for them to just admit that something that was clearly racially motivated was just that? Last Christmas, my (Confederate flag-waving, Glenn Beck-watching, Rush Limbaugh-listening) father said that he "doesn't believe in hate crimes". He is also okay with the increased militarization of police, and joked "Hands up don't shoot? Hands up, bang-bang!" 
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Wales Grey posted:It's interesting to see that the "scary black man" has always been an impetus for gun ownership in the USA. Its what you lean on when you ship in a larger population than you own.
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Just saw Fox News with one of their typically classy headlines: 'Pope releases Encyclical denouncing climate change' mmhmm 
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Jun 18, 2015 23:57
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Necc0 posted:Just saw Fox News with one of their typically classy headlines: 'Pop releases Encyclical denouncing climate change' That's not disingenuous as hell...
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Jun 19, 2015 00:01
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Intel&Sebastian posted:In case anyone was wondering, Twitter confirmed the Confederate flag is still flying high today at the SC capitol. All other flags are at half staff. It's because as much as they want to, they know they can't fly it at 3/5ths mast.
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Found the local talk station. Not that I've been looking very hard, but I figured today would be a good day to check in. First thing I noticed was how bad Rush sounds. Physically, I mean. I used to listen to him daily when I drove a pesticide truck in college, and now he sounds like he's constantly holding back some weird gurgle. I heard him a couple weeks ago and noticed the same thing but I figured he might've been sick. I guess he's really starting to go. Second: Holy poo poo they're actually going with the "Race was not a factor, this was a lone wolf, I cant hear you la la la" spin. That's what the lady mouthpiece filling in for Levin was spouting anyway. Just constant "I mourn for the loss of my brothers and sisters [exact words]. This tortured person took them from us in an act of sin, nothing more, and guns, race, and US history have zero influence." I imagine they can keep that up for a day or two before the stuff gets around to their slow-witted listeners about how the guy wore around pro-apartheid patches and literally talked as he was shooting about blacks raping women and destroying the country. ANd that's assuming the mainstream media even bothers to spread that information. Then, what... I guess by then it'll have been ordered out of the right-wing cycle so they can stop talking about it and as far as their listeners are concerned the story is over and they have all the facts they need (lone wolf, liberals are real racists for pointing out history, stuff about racial comments probably from biased lib rags since I'VE never heard those reports, etc.)
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Three Olives posted:Charles C. Johnson is filing suit against Gawker for reporting a rumor that he poo poo the floor in college. And he is demanding a jury trial. quote:36. Hm.
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Jun 19, 2015 01:49
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Isnt it strange how Reverend Wright was a pastor of something wholly unnattached from McCain and co's concept of Christianity, but now historic black churches stand as symbols of Steve Doocy and Christians everywhere.
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Jun 19, 2015 01:51
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It just shows how far off the tracks the right is. It's one thing to vehemently deny that you are racist, or that conservatives are racist, or that certain policies are racist. It's another thing to vehemently deny that anyone in the world is racist, even when the person says they are racist. I mean we always say that the GOP will insist that something is only racist if someone deliberately does something bad to a black person and says "I am doing this because of race". THAT LITERALLY HAPPENED, and now they're insisting even that isn't racist.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Isnt it strange how Reverend Wright was a pastor of something wholly unnattached from McCain and co's concept of Christianity, but now historic black churches stand as symbols of Steve Doocy and Christians everywhere. In Wright's case conservatives were trying to drum up racial division to demonize Obama, in this case they're arguing that race isn't a factor to protect the "greivance industry" myth. Both are just cynical attempts to spin a narrative beneficial to the party.
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I didn't really think it was strange, just stupid.
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http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131 If anyone needs it. edit  And the link from the first tweet: http://americansfortruth.com/2015/0...-young-of-aids/ Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 02:52
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Aw did i miss the thug/racist comparison. It's right though. the only difference between a hateful racist and a person who is proud to appear menacing and violent is you probably know who the racist is going to target.
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I can't decide between my new news sources. Should I go with Biff Burroughs or Puppet Nation?
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I'm catching up on the Charleston poo poo I can't fathom the kind of person that would look at what happened in Charleston and say "nope, not a racially motivated crime." This is just mind-boggling to me. A dude who owns lots of white supremacist stuff walks into a Black church, opens fire, and yells racist talking points at them...is apparently not doing something racially motivated? I can't understand this. It's weird and very unnerving. I'm sorry, but I can't even gather the political motives for denying it. What, you don't want him to be called a racist...why? He's exactly the guy that people think of when they think of racists. They don't think of Ronald Reagan or survivalists or gun nuts. Nah, they think of people who go out and commit violence because of race. I can't even understand the political motivation for not calling him a racist. It is so baffling to me. Is it because they want to shoot up churches? Do they secretly approve of his views? Is there some incredibly stupid attempt at 11-dimensional chess I'm missing? Are they just that stupid?
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StandardVC10 posted:There was that weird incident where three Muslims got shot over a parking space? Never really heard the full story on that one. Dude was an angry atheist and shot them execution style. People here and elsewhere then said it was simply a parking dispute and nothing else.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I'm catching up on the Charleston poo poo I can't fathom the kind of person that would look at what happened in Charleston and say "nope, not a racially motivated crime." Some of them share his views, but it's mostly because the right likes to claim that racism is over so that they can use that as an excuse to get rid of things like affirmative action and welfare, events like this shooting undermine their arguments.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I'm catching up on the Charleston poo poo I can't fathom the kind of person that would look at what happened in Charleston and say "nope, not a racially motivated crime." It's because he said 'you're taking over this country' when he was reloading as they begged him to stop murdering them and if certain elements in the mainstream admit that that is a crystal clear sign he was nothing more than a bigot with nothing but hate in his heart for his fellow man they'll be also admitting that by pushing that exact narrative for the past, oh, eight years or so, they're the actual root cause and he's just a horrific symptom. So he's a lone wolf mentally ill christian hater.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I'm catching up on the Charleston poo poo I can't fathom the kind of person that would look at what happened in Charleston and say "nope, not a racially motivated crime." They're trying to disconnect his beliefs from the political continuum on which their own beliefs reside. Especially in the case of something like Fox News, they can pat their viewers on the head and remind them that their loathing of minorities ("take our country back") is justified and not at all insane. Bill O'Reilly's intro to his show tonight declared that the real division in this country comes from people who point out that we all live in a state of perpetual racial animus. Then he brought on Martin Luther King III and they both blamed video games. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/martin-luther-king-iii-oreilly-slam-violent-video-games-in-talking-charleston/ efb pretty much
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Some of them share his views, but it's mostly because the right likes to claim that racism is over so that they can use that as an excuse to get rid of things like affirmative action and welfare, events like this shooting undermine their arguments. I guarantee you a bunch of Republicans and others who aren't plugged into the right wing noise machine are saying "wait, what, people think this WASN'T racially motivated???"
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They know admitting that racism is a serious problem would open the door to exposing the fact that racists make up a significant part of their base. They need those racist voters to win elections.
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Dr Christmas posted:He has to be wearing a swastika-emblazon klan hood, and must hang his victim from a burning cross. He must chant, "This is solely because of your skin color, not because of what you were doing or what I thought you might do." He must have a statement that he neither has nor wants any black friends signed and notorized by three white conservative Fox pundits and three white conservative AM talk radio hosts. The victims must be immaculately conceived free of original sin, and must denounce Al Sharpton with their dying breath. I culled this from the social media thread because- welp I thought it was relevant. 
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Whoa it was in the next room but I think Megyn Kelly just said "some people have pointed out that Dylann Roof had black Facebook friends, so wasn't racist" Lieberals got 
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That all makes sense, I guess... It's just so purestrain crazy that I can't really grasp why anyone would possibly endorse the not-racism line about the white supremacist that shot up a black church while yelling white supremacist talking points and wearing a jacket with an Apartheid era South African flag on it. It's all because he likes the Confederate flag, I guess. Jeez, I was cynical but I thought that what amounts to a KKK member committing a hate crime would be universally considered to be racially motivated. Guess I wasn't cynical enough.
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Oh wow now some guest is saying the US doesn't have an unusually high rate of mass shootings because Anders Behring Breivik, this show is gold.
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If you don't get that they would gladly kill their fellow whites for disagreeing with them, then you don't understand these loving monsters.quote:race-baiters Now class, what does that sound like to you?
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ErichZahn posted:Now class, what does that sound like to you?  For some reason my dog is freaking out though.
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