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That's a misunderstanding of how they actually work. You can force it to accept a signal up to ~85Hz or so, but it will not display all 85 frames. It will still display 60, with the remaining 25 simply discarded and not displayed.
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DrDork posted:That's a misunderstanding of how they actually work. You can force it to accept a signal up to ~85Hz or so, but it will not display all 85 frames. It will still display 60, with the remaining 25 simply discarded and not displayed. Ah, so the guy doing it placebo'ing? "Yea, so much smoother *drops 25 frames*"
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If there's a window behind where I sit (so the light is coming over my shoulders to hit the screen). "In-plane switching, anti glare with hard coat 3H" will be good, right? Thinking about getting a pair of Dell U2414H's: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=860-BBCG&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=0&~ck=baynoteSearch
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:If there's a window behind where I sit (so the light is coming over my shoulders to hit the screen). "In-plane switching, anti glare with hard coat 3H" will be good, right? Not necessarily. I find too much light on anti glare screens makes them completely unreadable.
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Jun 18, 2015 07:38
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I'm likely getting annoying flopping back and forth between monitors, but there is this fairly cheap TN panel Asus. From purely a gaming standpoint, is this a good monitor? I don't do much on my computer besides gaming, videos and forums so the added expense of an IPS is gnawing at me.
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Jun 18, 2015 07:43
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FaustianQ posted:I'm likely getting annoying flopping back and forth between monitors, but there is this fairly cheap TN panel Asus. From purely a gaming standpoint, is this a good monitor? I don't do much on my computer besides gaming, videos and forums so the added expense of an IPS is gnawing at me. Your link is broken, so I don't know which monitor you're talking about, but no.
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Jun 18, 2015 07:52
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FaustianQ posted:the added expense of an IPS is gnawing at me. The added expense of an IPS is worth it.
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Jun 18, 2015 07:53
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KingEup posted:Not necessarily. I find too much light on anti glare screens makes them completely unreadable. Is there a better alternative?
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Jun 18, 2015 08:03
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The alternative to anti-glare is a shaving mirror, so no. I dunno why some people insist in applying 2 inches of the matte thing, though. It's not the anti-glare itself that's the problem, it's the idiots applying it.
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Jun 18, 2015 08:10
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Fixed the link.Zorilla posted:Your link is broken, so I don't know which monitor you're talking about, but no. Asus VG248QE, 24" 144hz 1080p TN panel. KingEup posted:The added expense of an IPS is worth it. But is 144hz worth it over 60hz? I keep hearing people talk about how a higher refresh rate is really needed, but high refresh rate IPS is either out of my reach or stuck on DVI-D exclusively.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Is there a better alternative? A glossy screen... but is not necessarily better. It is just the alternative. It is impossible to know which will be better in your particular environment. In my environment (with a big window directly behind me a glossy screen provides better results than a screen with an antiglare coating):  In my environment there is no perfect monitor choice, I just happen to think one is more usable than the other. $199 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=860-BBEM KingEup fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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FaustianQ posted:Fixed the link. When you said "cheap TN", I thought you meant exactly that and not one of those pricier 144Hz models. Still, for most people, the benefit of IPS over TN is much greater than that of 144Hz over 60Hz. This is especially true if you aren't expecting to get well over 60fps consistently in whatever games you play. Also, DVI isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Until monitor manufacturers get their act together and stop adding half-broken implementations of DisplayPort and HDMI (no standby signal/totally disconnects if you manually power off the monitor), DVI is what I recommend using anyway. Edit: I guess I could be a bit wrong on that if AMD is really pushing out cards without DVI. Anyway, the ASUS PB278Q is a great choice, especially if you find yourself needing to use it with a laptop or something in the future. Zorilla fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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FaustianQ posted:Ah, so the guy doing it placebo'ing? "Yea, so much smoother *drops 25 frames*" Placebo can be a powerful thing. Monoprice sold a 1600p Korean as 120Hz for a couple months before it was discovered that not a single one of them displayed a frame over 60Hz. A similar frame dropping happens with the multi-input QNIX's that some will insist still overclock.
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Alright, going to go with the Asus 27" IPS for 430$. It's overall cheaper than getting a QNIX or Crossover and suddenly needing an active adapter, plus warranty. I don't get motion sick or have any issues with my current 60hz monitor, so  Looking a bit deeper there seems to be a 2012 and a 2014 model, with the 2014 model being superior. I can't seem to find the 2014 model, so I'm wondering if it's just that the photos for it on amazon/newegg have never been updated, and I'll get the 2014 model. If not, can I get Asus to replace a 2012 for a 2014 model? EmpyreanFlux fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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KingEup posted:A glossy screen... but is not necessarily better. It is just the alternative. It is impossible to know which will be better in your particular environment. In my environment (with a big window directly behind me a glossy screen provides better results than a screen with an antiglare coating): drat. This is not the answer I wanted. I was hoping technology had Magically Fixed Everything while I was away.
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FaustianQ posted:Alright, going to go with the Asus 27" IPS for 430$. It's overall cheaper than getting a QNIX or Crossover and suddenly needing an active adapter, plus warranty. I don't get motion sick or have any issues with my current 60hz monitor, so Not trying to talk you out of the Asus, but why would the Qnix or Crossover require an adapter? Did you settle on a GPU yet?
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Captain Yossarian posted:Not trying to talk you out of the Asus, but why would the Qnix or Crossover require an adapter? Did you settle on a GPU yet? I think he is referring to the new AMD cards lacking DL-DVI without an activate adaptor (and no overclocking).
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BurritoJustice posted:I think he is referring to the new AMD cards lacking DL-DVI without an activate adaptor (and no overclocking). This is a really annoying bit. I wonder if DVI dongles exist that report higher refresh rates through EDID than the monitor? I doubt it, but there might be a market for it once dvi dies 
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BurritoJustice posted:I think he is referring to the new AMD cards lacking DL-DVI without an activate adaptor (and no overclocking). Ahh gotcha, that's why I asked on the whole "did you settle on a GPU" since he was asking for advice in the PC Upgrading thread too 
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Truga posted:This is a really annoying bit. AFAIK no DL-DVI active adaptors support greater than 60Hz 1440p, as the refresh rates that people are pushing with QNIX's are way out of pixel clock spec for DVI. I wouldn't expect this to change.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:drat. This is not the answer I wanted. I was hoping technology had Magically Fixed Everything while I was away. On another note, what do people use to clean their screens? I accidentally touched my screen then tried to wipe the smudge off with a microfiber cloth and that just spread it around a little more 
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BurritoJustice posted:AFAIK no DL-DVI active adaptors support greater than 60Hz 1440p, as the refresh rates that people are pushing with QNIX's are way out of pixel clock spec for DVI. I wouldn't expect this to change. Would this be the part of the reason why the OC can vary so much, including by cable?
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Varg posted:On another note, what do people use to clean their screens? I accidentally touched my screen then tried to wipe the smudge off with a microfiber cloth and that just spread it around a little more edit: You could also do the thing below but I'm lazy and the bottle was all of $2. future ghost fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Varg posted:On another note, what do people use to clean their screens? I accidentally touched my screen then tried to wipe the smudge off with a microfiber cloth and that just spread it around a little more A clean, barely damp cotton cloth, followed by a fine microfiber cloth as the surface dries to prevent streaks. Matte screens can be kind of a pain because of the way oil and smudges stick to the surface. A couple iterations of the above should do it, though. Those silicone-based substances like eyeglass cleaners aren't totally necessary if you don't have any laying around.
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Soooooo, has anyone tried the ASUS MG279Q yet? 27" 144Hz IPS with DP and a USB 3 hub is pretty enticing for $600.
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Mazz posted:Would this be the part of the reason why the OC can vary so much, including by cable? Not with regards to adaptors, none of them can overclock, because why would a company make one to work out of spec. But as far as cables go it can certainly have an effect. The included cable is thick and short and works well, but people have been known to have problems with longer or thinner cables not doing the higher refresh rates without problems.
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BurritoJustice posted:Not with regards to adaptors, none of them can overclock, because why would a company make one to work out of spec.
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DrDork posted:Soooooo, has anyone tried the ASUS MG279Q yet? 27" 144Hz IPS with DP and a USB 3 hub is pretty enticing for $600. TFTCentral liked it. It's not the Acer Predator despite using the same panel, but it's as close as any FreeSync monitor has gotten.
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DrDork posted:Soooooo, has anyone tried the ASUS MG279Q yet? 27" 144Hz IPS with DP and a USB 3 hub is pretty enticing for $600. Yeah, I've been tempted upward even further because playing monitor lottery without assurances on that I can get the much better Asus PB278Q 2014 model. (apparently the 2012 model is awful). There is also used BenQ2710PT monitors for 360$, which are apparently really good monitors. God I'm loving bad at this, part of me just wants to accept a really good monitor is a huge loving investment, and get the damned, rather amazing, MG279Q.
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FaustianQ posted:Just accept a really good monitor is a huge loving investment, and get the damned, rather amazing, MG279Q.
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FaustianQ posted:There is also used BenQ2710PT monitors for 360$, which are apparently really good monitors.
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Done, got the MG279Q. I don't think I'll need another monitor for what, 5 years?
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I've had my 30" for over 6 years now, and I don't see it not using for another 5 unless it dies.
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Truga posted:I've had my 30" for over 6 years now, and I don't see it not using for another 5 unless it dies. I'm thinking that the ports simply get old, and unused, not that the panel will go bad.
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I am considering the AOC Q2577PWQ . 25", 2560x1440 px (117.49 ppi), IPS panel. I want to use this chiefly for gaming (see my post in the PC setup thread), and for some photo editing. Would anybody have any objections to this idea?
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Ridgewell posted:I am considering the AOC Q2577PWQ . 25", 2560x1440 px (117.49 ppi), IPS panel. I want to use this chiefly for gaming (see my post in the PC setup thread), and for some photo editing. Do you have to sit relatively close to your screen for some reason? 25" 1440p is pretty small, even if the PPI is in the clarity sweet spot. I'd opt for a couple more inches for impact and perceived workspace over pixel density; nothing is inherently wrong with the monitor though -- AOC makes decent stuff, IMO.
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Wasabi the J posted:Do you have to sit relatively close to your screen for some reason? 25" 1440p is pretty small, even if the PPI is in the clarity sweet spot. Thank you for your feedback, that is reassuring and I will probably buy it. My screen will be relatively close, and in general I have come to prefer pixel density over size recently. I notice how great that is on my mobile devices (which I use a lot even while I sit at the computer), and I would prefer it on my PC screen as well.
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How big is the difference between a 100Hz and 144Hz G-SYNC monitor? Are there diminishing returns once you start going beyond 100Hz or is it a case of "the more frames, the better"? I'm trying to decide if a 100Hz 3440x1440 or 144Hz 2560x1440 would be the better upgrade (from an LG 34UM95) and I've never used a monitor with G-SYNC or higher than a 60hz panel.
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Diminishing returns tend to kick in pretty quickly after 72Hz for most people, unless you've got 'golden eyes' you won't notice much if any difference past 100Hz.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Diminishing returns tend to kick in pretty quickly after 72Hz for most people, unless you've got 'golden eyes' you won't notice much if any difference past 100Hz. Personally I remember the CRT days, and a CRT driven at 60Hz would be uncomfortable to look at, 75Hz was OK but I could still perceive flickering, especially when viewed in peripheral vision; however 85Hz and above seemed to stop the flickering, so all these VR headsets targeting 90Hz are probably bang on. High enough to be smooth, but low enough to be achievable by a graphics card you can buy. Of course, perception may vary. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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