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Clearly the only objective way to work out which is the bigger of MTG and Warhammer would be to compare the number of likes their official facebook page has.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Clearly the only objective way to work out which is the bigger of MTG and Warhammer would be to compare the number of likes their official facebook page has. oh yeah well I've never seen a MTG branded gaming store before. how can it be big if it doesn't have its own stores eh!?? checkmate
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Jun 19, 2015 12:42
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Oh, well in that case Warhammer Fantasy has about 34k likes and Magic has 1.3M, so it's about 38x more popular
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Jun 19, 2015 12:42
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AoS is going to be the big release that curbs the strength of M:tG, and finally bring back tabletop wargaming as the premier nerd hobby. Yes, you read it here first.
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Jun 19, 2015 12:59
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Just look at all these enthusiastic Warhammer fans lined up to buy our next great product! <Photo of MtG release event>
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Jun 19, 2015 13:39
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MikeCrotch posted:This kind of myopia about games just loving baffles me. It reminds me of Pathfinder fans gloating about how Paizo is *crushing* D&D when it's clear that WoTC don't give two shits about how much D&D stuff they sell, and are happy to keep printing money with Magic. The difference is that Pathfinder crushing D&D is actually kind of important, because 5e D&D is a transphobic horrible mess written by bigots, while Paizo repeatedly and honestly goes to great lengths to improve representation and inclusion in their products. It's a battle for the soul of the hobby, in other words.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:00
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Its about ethics in games design.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:03
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Arivia posted:The difference is that Pathfinder crushing D&D is actually kind of important, because 5e D&D is a transphobic horrible mess written by bigots, while Paizo repeatedly and honestly goes to great lengths to improve representation and inclusion in their products. It's a battle for the soul of the hobby, in other words. 4e 4ever
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Jun 19, 2015 14:14
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Arivia posted:The difference is that Pathfinder crushing D&D is actually kind of important, because 5e D&D is a transphobic horrible mess written by bigots, while Paizo repeatedly and honestly goes to great lengths to improve representation and inclusion in their products. It's a battle for the soul of the hobby, in other words. A Tranphobic horrible mess written by bigots great lengths to improve representation and inclusion in their products What. Citation needed please. Can't druids shape change and have hot Bear Pony sex in both games? Of all the critiques I've heard about 5th and pathfinder I've never heard of one being embraced or discarded based on perceived roles or that either system even has signifigant statements / content regarding either topic. Sorry if this is a derail. In my opinion it's crushing 5th because it's a good game with great storylines.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:49
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Arivia is entirely correct and we really shouldn't have to go down this path whenever somebody new finds out about it. E: The people involved are attention vampires and discussing them just gives spotlight time to shitheads. 5e is garbage for moral more than qualitative reasons. Like, as bad as GW is, it's a fun and dumb bad where nobody gets hurt. moths fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 14:55
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Agreed. Everyone, head to the GW and get the 3 elf lord pack. Only 50 dollars before the whole thing disappears when LOTR does!
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Jun 19, 2015 15:12
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moths posted:Arivia is entirely correct and we really shouldn't have to go down this path whenever somebody new finds out about it. Where can I go to learn more about this 5e trainwreck?? I know there's a megathread but I don't really care about the game itself
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Jun 19, 2015 15:17
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Seconded. This stuff fuels me.
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Jun 19, 2015 15:22
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You could always go to the grognards.txt thread and start reading until you burst a vessel
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Jun 19, 2015 15:24
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are the 5e designers grognards? 4e was grognard kryptonite
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Jun 19, 2015 15:29
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moths posted:Like, as bad as GW is, it's a fun and dumb bad where nobody gets hurt. Edit: Nope. Nevermind. This thread thrives on derails, but this is probably one it could do without. 
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Jun 19, 2015 15:34
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Daedleh posted:oh yeah well I've never seen a MTG branded gaming store before. how can it be big if it doesn't have its own stores eh!?? Literally the argument I've seen some people make when someone claims that Warmachine is huge (except substitute Privateer Press branded stores for MTG branded stores). "Yeah, come back and talk to me once Privateer Press has their own stores all over the world  ", as if the GW stores aren't a loving millstone around the company's neck at this point.GW sycophants will go to great lengths to keep their heads firmly buried in the sand.
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Jun 19, 2015 15:58
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Nebalebadingdong posted:are the 5e designers grognards? 4e was grognard kryptonite Ask this stuff and look around in the grogs.txt thread, but yes. There's at least 2 high profile grogs that worked on it.
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Jun 19, 2015 16:02
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Nebalebadingdong posted:Where can I go to learn more about this 5e trainwreck?? I know there's a megathread but I don't really care about the game itself http://failforward.co.uk/post/93348768153/how-dungeons-and-dragons-is-endorsing-the-darkest
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Jun 19, 2015 16:07
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Wtf are you idiots even talking about???
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Jun 19, 2015 16:23
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alg posted:http://failforward.co.uk/post/93348768153/how-dungeons-and-dragons-is-endorsing-the-darkest That doesn't say anything about Dungeons and Dragons. It just says that two of the people working on it haven't been fired yet, even though the writer really doesn't like them.
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Jun 19, 2015 16:29
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Guys, let's not lose sight of the fact that Games Workshop is bad and also X-Wang/Warmachine/Your favorite non-GW game is good
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Jun 19, 2015 16:31
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FrostyPox posted:"Yeah, come back and talk to me once Privateer Press has their own stores all over the world LGSes in general have gotten a lot nicer though, in my limited experience.
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Jun 19, 2015 16:57
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Moola posted:Wtf are you idiots even talking about??? FrostyPox posted:X-Wang Has anyone here tried the idea of running an X-Wang game inside an Armada game, and using the X-Wangs on a coffee table next to the main table to resolve squadron fights in Armada?
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Moola posted:Wtf are you idiots even talking about??? Not X-Wangs, that's for sure.
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Jun 19, 2015 17:21
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Speaking of which, we've just played a few games of wangs, mostly the starter sets and I feel that we are just running around in circles for a while until someone finally gets a bead on the opponent and then rolls poo poo. I guess it gets better as we get better and/or start using upgrades and more advanced ships?
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So new rumours surfaced, contradicting the ones where AoS was a fun, streamlined, well-designed LotR derivative. They're more likely to be true because they describe a lazy baby of 8e and 40k.
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Jun 19, 2015 17:45
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Along the same lines, from that thread (emphasis mine): quote:I actually had to google mtg thing to find out what it was lol. The closest gw store is one hour away. Closest store to buy mtg is 3 hours away so gw wins here I personally think this guy is being a bit disingenuous in trying to defend GW. I don't buy that "nearest place to buy M:tG cards is three hours away" line because you can buy M:tG cards at Walmart. Granted, they're in smaller quantities than a FLGS might have, and usually only the most recent of releases, but still.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Along the same lines, from that thread (emphasis mine): Maybe he's British? I've seen a lot of British people with a bizarrely GW-centered view of the gaming world, and I have no idea how big MTG is in the UK. I have noticed the blindest GW sycophants tend to be from the UK, though that doesn't mean there aren't a lot from other regions.
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Jun 19, 2015 17:59
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I know loving gas stations that sell MtG cards.
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Jun 19, 2015 18:00
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Yes but you see the holy prophet Kirby said magic and pokemans were a passing fad and are no longer relevant so it must be true because
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I personally think this guy is being a bit disingenuous in trying to defend GW. Cognitive dissonance is a hallmark of all arguments in defence of faith, no matter what the faith may be moths posted:They're more likely to be true because they describe a lazy baby of 8e and 40k. Did I, or did I not, say months ago that I bet they're moving Fantasy towards the 40k rule set so that they really only have one set of rules they need to spend resources developing? 
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Ignite Memories posted:I know loving gas stations that sell MtG cards. I once found old dusty magic boosters (arabian nights maybe) at a bodega selling for retail. Didn't buy any and found out from a friend later they were with 50$ a pack.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Along the same lines, from that thread (emphasis mine): Here's an interesting twist on that quote: are there any GW models that appreciate after release? A pack of Magic cards is $4 but individual cards now sell on the market for hundreds or even thousands. Is that a thing for GW at all? Older models, forge world poo poo?
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Along the same lines, from that thread (emphasis mine): They're not wrong that MTG cards are mass-produced cardboard but somehow they don't have the self-awareness to also apply that to their mass-produced toy soldiers. 
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Arivia posted:Here's an interesting twist on that quote: are there any GW models that appreciate after release? A pack of Magic cards is $4 but individual cards now sell on the market for hundreds or even thousands. Is that a thing for GW at all? Older models, forge world poo poo? Good out of production stuff mostly, Necromunda minis, genestealer hybrids all sell for more now than they did then.
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Arivia posted:Here's an interesting twist on that quote: are there any GW models that appreciate after release? A pack of Magic cards is $4 but individual cards now sell on the market for hundreds or even thousands. Is that a thing for GW at all? Older models, forge world poo poo? Yeah the really old out of print, never gonna be made again metal stuff like from Rogue Trader goes for good money on ebay, but nothing in the realm of hundreds or thousands of dollars
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FrostyPox posted:Maybe he's British? I've seen a lot of British people with a bizarrely GW-centered view of the gaming world, and I have no idea how big MTG is in the UK. I have noticed the blindest GW sycophants tend to be from the UK, though that doesn't mean there aren't a lot from other regions. I peeked at the Dakka thread and it looks like he's Canadian, so it's possible that there might not be a Walmart or similar near him. However, I still doubt the claim that there are no stores near to him that sell M:tG stuff, because Ignite Memories posted:I know loving gas stations that sell MtG cards. Arivia posted:Here's an interesting twist on that quote: are there any GW models that appreciate after release? A pack of Magic cards is $4 but individual cards now sell on the market for hundreds or even thousands. Is that a thing for GW at all? Older models, forge world poo poo? I know someone who sold off a bunch of their M:tG cards last year; out of 15 or 20 cards or so, they managed to rake in nearly $800. As far as the GW thing goes, it really depends. As the posters above me pointed out, the older models in good shape still fetch a good price on eBay, but it's strictly stuff that you can't get any more IIRC (such as Oldhammer stuff, Rogue Trader figures, etc). Anything of a more recent vintage, you're probably taking a loss on. And it's probably doubly so if the figures you're selling are ones you already assembled/painted, as people are mostly looking to get those on the cheap so they can strip 'em down and rebuild them. Unless you're a poo poo-hot painter selling stuff to people purely for collection purposes (which I don't see as being quite so profitable, but YMMV), you're pretty much just selling any older/previously used warhams stuff for what you can get out of it. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Don't know if it's still true but I remember looking up the old stuff years ago and while they were more than retail, they did not keep up with inflation at all.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I peeked at the Dakka thread and it looks like he's Canadian, so it's possible that there might not be a Walmart or similar near him. However, I still doubt the claim that there are no stores near to him that sell M:tG stuff, because Anyway Walmart does sell MTG in Canada, big slot in the toy aisle. So yeah, he's full of it.
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