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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Sometimes, but in this case it sounds like a pretty normal case of the kitten having much more energy and playfulness than the older cat, and just being a dumb rear end in a top hat kitten who doesn't know boundaries yet.

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FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

We've started to let the kitten be mostly free but still supervising them. They spend most of their time chasing each other around playing tag. Once the older cat got tired he started hissing at her but she didn't seem to know that this meant he was no longer in the mood for tag and kept loving with him until he pinned the kitten down and bit at her throat which was a bit scary but I'm told it's how cats show their dominance and didn't seem to hurt or scare her as she kept loving with him until she got tired and fell asleep.

painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax
So, uh.

I need help.

One, I need a list of ironclad reasons to keep a cat as indoor-only, especially when the cat in question is a stroppy motherfucker that fight anything that moves, including, judging by the state of said cat's face right now, a rusty lawnmower.

Two, I need some ideas on how to convert a borderline semi-feral indoor/outdoor cat into a housecat without losing an eye.

The family cat got a hole ripped in his face in a fight and I'm starting to think I should just take him the hell away from my in-laws, because he keeps coming home injured and they still let him go out.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

painted bird posted:

So, uh.

I need help.

One, I need a list of ironclad reasons to keep a cat as indoor-only, especially when the cat in question is a stroppy motherfucker that fight anything that moves, including, judging by the state of said cat's face right now, a rusty lawnmower.

Two, I need some ideas on how to convert a borderline semi-feral indoor/outdoor cat into a housecat without losing an eye.

The family cat got a hole ripped in his face in a fight and I'm starting to think I should just take him the hell away from my in-laws, because he keeps coming home injured and they still let him go out.
  • Cats rarely win fights with traffic
  • You reduce the chance of contracting cat AIDS/FeLV/rabies to pretty much nil
  • You reduce the chance of getting worms/ticks/fleas to pretty much nil (and these things may affect you when he comes back in)
  • Does your area have birds of prey and/or wandering coyotes?
  • No chance of your cat causing problems with neighbors
  • Cats do not need to go out, period

For converting, what needs converting? Does he get mouthy when he wants to go out or something? Also, what exactly is "semi-feral" about the cat exactly?

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

I'm trying to figure out what breed my cat is. My sister thinks that he's an Egyptian Mau but I actually think he might be a Bahraini Dilmun.






He has the kinda webbing under his legs which is why she thinks that he's a Mau.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

If he doesn't have papers, he's a moggy. Also, he looks like a mog.

Arriviste
Sep 10, 2010

Gather. Grok. Create.




Now pick up what you can
and run.
The primordial pouch isn't limited to purebreds. He's pretty, though. I have a big soft spot for gray mackerel tabbies.

Mackerel tabby foreheads: The "M" is for "Monster."

painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax

duckfarts posted:

For converting, what needs converting? Does he get mouthy when he wants to go out or something? Also, what exactly is "semi-feral" about the cat exactly?

If he's not allowed go out, he runs around the house wrecking havoc. I don't know if he gets mouthy, I haven't witnessed it personally.

"Semi-feral" means "bites when you try to pet him" and "does not come when called" and "only tolerates humans for the sake of food".

Arriviste
Sep 10, 2010

Gather. Grok. Create.




Now pick up what you can
and run.

painted bird posted:

So, uh.

I need help.

One, I need a list of ironclad reasons to keep a cat as indoor-only, especially when the cat in question is a stroppy motherfucker that fight anything that moves, including, judging by the state of said cat's face right now, a rusty lawnmower.

Two, I need some ideas on how to convert a borderline semi-feral indoor/outdoor cat into a housecat without losing an eye.

The family cat got a hole ripped in his face in a fight and I'm starting to think I should just take him the hell away from my in-laws, because he keeps coming home injured and they still let him go out.

Is he neutered? If not, that's step one.

e: Watch the injury on his face for infection. If it's gaping open, it could already be an infected prior bite or scratch from another cat that turned into an abscess and sloughed off the skin once it burst. Cat bites are sort of like Komodo Dragons... the bite sucks but the resulting infection can be horrible.

Arriviste fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Jun 22, 2015

painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax
He's neutered, yes.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

painted bird posted:

"does not come when called" and "only tolerates humans for the sake of food".

This is also a common definition for cats in general.

Do you live in that house, or is this stuff you're trying to tell your parents to do/not do?

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

That cat sounds like he'd be happiest moved off to a farm where he can live in a barn and not get in fights with machinery.

floofyscorp
Feb 12, 2007

painted bird posted:

"Semi-feral" means "bites when you try to pet him" and "does not come when called" and "only tolerates humans for the sake of food".

Well, two of those are fairly standard cat behaviour. Biting suggests he maybe hasn't been very well socialised or treated though.

painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax
I live in the house with the cat, temporarily. It's a big farmhouse in a small village. We're near some pretty impressive fields and there isn't much car traffic at all. Unfortunately, I don't really have much say in how the cat is treated, though I can make suggestions and repeatedly badger the in-laws with said suggestions.

He's well-treated, as far as I can tell? We try to be affectionate with him but he's not particularly interested in being friends with us. Unless, again, we have food for him. Which might just be him being a cat.

I'm trying to figure out where he is so I can take a good look at his face, but the MIL (a retired doctor) says it doesn't look like it's infected and I'm inclined to trust her.

Also, I can't overstate this enough: right now, he smells really bad. No like, rotting-flesh bad but filthy-animal bad. I can't tell if it's because he's not been grooming himself after his latest injury or if there's an infection or if this is just eau-de-summer-cat.

I dunno. Maybe he's just a regular cat and I'm being weird, but he's seriously a vicious gently caress. Especially when compared to cats my partner's relatives own, who at the very minimum let themselves be picked up. This one starts wriggling immediately and trying to claw and bite.

Arriviste
Sep 10, 2010

Gather. Grok. Create.




Now pick up what you can
and run.
Hang out with him while he eats and don't make prolonged direct eye contact. If you do meet eyes, blink your eyes closed and slowly look away as you open them. It's a bit submissive, but it also says, "We cool." Does he ever headbutt, mark with his face, or do the body rub on anyone's legs when he's about to be fed? Is his tail ever up when around people?

When I'm around skittish cats that aren't displaying aggressive fear, I'll sit down on the floor or ground nearby and be still. If they approach (having something crinkly they can't see will get their attention and possibly arouse curiosity,) I'll offer them a closed fist to smell and, if they wish, to headbutt. *bonk*

For indoors, get some Feliway diffusers and make sure he has safe places to retreat. A supply of things that are cat-destruction approved helps, too.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Add "does not kill songbirds and small animals," "does not get catnapped," and "does not make Bob Barker sad (by creating stray kittens)" to your list of reasons for indoor cat.

Vertigo Ambrosia
May 26, 2004
Heretic, please.
If 'will not get holes ripped in face' won't convince them to keep him inside, I kind of doubt they care about affecting the bird population or most logical reasons at all.

Puppy Galaxy
Aug 1, 2004

My cat sometimes taps me on the back with his paw when he wants attention and I don't like it.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Puppy Galaxy posted:

My cat sometimes taps me on the back with his paw when he wants attention and I don't like it.

Same, except when I'm standing and he'll leap up and tap me on the shoulder and it's loving freaky as hell because I live alone. "AAAAAH HOLY poo poo Oh it's just you." :mad:

take me to the beaver
Mar 28, 2010
My cat scratched me and gave me cat scratch fever.

...and I can't tell my family because they'll just start singing that loving song. CAT SCRATCH FEVEEEERRRRR

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


nonnemaus posted:

My cat scratched me and gave me cat scratch fever.

...and I can't tell my family because they'll just start singing that loving song. CAT SCRATCH FEVEEEERRRRR

Just follow Ted Nugent's example and shoot them with a machine gun from a helicopter.

Shithouse Dave
Aug 5, 2007

each post manufactured to the highest specifications


Testekill posted:

I'm trying to figure out what breed my cat is. My sister thinks that he's an Egyptian Mau but I actually think he might be a Bahraini Dilmun.






He has the kinda webbing under his legs which is why she thinks that he's a Mau.

That there is a domestic shorthair. He's pretty.

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free

Testekill posted:

I'm trying to figure out what breed my cat is. My sister thinks that he's an Egyptian Mau but I actually think he might be a Bahraini Dilmun.






He has the kinda webbing under his legs which is why she thinks that he's a Mau.

P. sure you got yourself a cat there.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

duckfarts posted:

  • Cats rarely win fights with traffic
  • You reduce the chance of contracting cat AIDS/FeLV/rabies to pretty much nil
  • You reduce the chance of getting worms/ticks/fleas to pretty much nil (and these things may affect you when he comes back in)
  • Does your area have birds of prey and/or wandering coyotes?
  • No chance of your cat causing problems with neighbors
  • Cats do not need to go out, period

For converting, what needs converting? Does he get mouthy when he wants to go out or something? Also, what exactly is "semi-feral" about the cat exactly?

Cats get hit by cars all the loving time, my cat got hit by a car and is now dead.

If you play with your cat, they will not want to go out.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

painted bird posted:

I live in the house with the cat, temporarily. It's a big farmhouse in a small village. We're near some pretty impressive fields and there isn't much car traffic at all. Unfortunately, I don't really have much say in how the cat is treated, though I can make suggestions and repeatedly badger the in-laws with said suggestions.

He's well-treated, as far as I can tell? We try to be affectionate with him but he's not particularly interested in being friends with us. Unless, again, we have food for him. Which might just be him being a cat.

I'm trying to figure out where he is so I can take a good look at his face, but the MIL (a retired doctor) says it doesn't look like it's infected and I'm inclined to trust her.

Also, I can't overstate this enough: right now, he smells really bad. No like, rotting-flesh bad but filthy-animal bad. I can't tell if it's because he's not been grooming himself after his latest injury or if there's an infection or if this is just eau-de-summer-cat.

I dunno. Maybe he's just a regular cat and I'm being weird, but he's seriously a vicious gently caress. Especially when compared to cats my partner's relatives own, who at the very minimum let themselves be picked up. This one starts wriggling immediately and trying to claw and bite.
Well, first off, it can be incredibly difficult to make your parents go along with having the cat be indoors only because you're forcing additional responsibilities on them that they don't feel are necessary, and they're responsibilities that you are not responsible for(they will have to deal with an angry/annoyed cat, not so much you), so this may be a losing battle as it is.

Past that, the cat not wanting to be picked up is totally normal; not all cats are cool with being picked up at all. If you want the cat to warm up with you, I think the quickest way would be playing with the cat and timed feedings. You can also hold out your hand and let the cat smell it to gauge how comfortable the cat is with you so far. If he growls or seems grumpy, leave him alone and try again later. If he's okay with it, try petting his head a little. Blah blah blah repeat over time. Keep in mind that you may never be able to pick up the cat without him getting annoyed.

For the stank, well, it sounds like he'd need a vet check and/or bath, and you'd need to be able to put him in a carrier for those, so good luck with that. Get a bunch of thick towels ready and wear gloves.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

JohnnyCanuck posted:

P. sure you got yourself a cat there.

Looks like a standard American Attack Tabby.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

duckfarts posted:

Try canned pumpkin(unspiced).
Might have to try that. Finally went to the vet and all they gave us was a bunch of print outs for http://www.icatcare.org/advice/cat-health/feline-idiopathic-cystitis-fic (literally this web page). They ruled out blockage and gave him fluids and some pain meds and just told us to switch to a wet food diet.

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe
So a quick question.

My cat had a case of the sniffles when I got it about a year ago. He would sneeze big snotty boogers on everything.

Here is him looking particularly pleased at one he put on my pillow.


At the time the Vet prescribed some antibiotics, and said that sometimes cats never stop sniffling. That turned out to be the case, for the past year he's always had a mild sniffle, though he's stopped sneezing all over things. Is this normal? I can normally see a little glisten of slot in at least one nostril. Aside from that he's insanely active, and seems happy and healthy. Just wondering if anyone else has had a similar issue.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008
Is urine leakage normal after a perineal urostomy? It doesn't bother me, a vet said yes but just want to check to make sure. I think we'll just have to wipe his butt a lot from now on with baby wipes.

Edit: Asking because this is the emergency place that strung us along doing things until the bill was $6,000 we had the money saved but that was money for 2 cats.

nunsexmonkrock fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jun 23, 2015

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

nunsexmonkrock posted:

Is urine leakage normal after a perineal urostomy? It doesn't bother me, a vet said yes but just want to check to make sure. I think we'll just have to wipe his butt a lot from now on with baby wipes.

Edit: Asking because this is the emergency place that strung us along doing things until the bill was $6,000 we had the money saved but that was money for 2 cats.


Posts like these bug me a little.

Your vet says yes. So you turn around and want to confirm by asking random strangers in an internet thread. Anyone in here could be an rear end in a top hat and mislead you. Go with what the vet says. He's the professional with years of study.

Or get another vet.

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

Dalael posted:

Posts like these bug me a little.

Your vet says yes. So you turn around and want to confirm by asking random strangers in an internet thread. Anyone in here could be an rear end in a top hat and mislead you. Go with what the vet says. He's the professional with years of study.

Or get another vet.

I asked a similar question and is this so strange?

People do similar things with their own ailments and doctors. Changing vets or doctors is an ordeal, and its free to just ask around.

Doesn't hurt to see if anyone has any knowledge on the subject.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

SerCypher posted:

I asked a similar question and is this so strange?

People do similar things with their own ailments and doctors. Changing vets or doctors is an ordeal, and its free to just ask around.

Doesn't hurt to see if anyone has any knowledge on the subject.

Maybe you're right and its just our 2nd nature. I was just giving my 2cents that people shouldn't take the words on an internet thread over the words of a professional.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008

Dalael posted:

Maybe you're right and its just our 2nd nature. I was just giving my 2cents that people shouldn't take the words on an internet thread over the words of a professional.

I was just asking opinions, not looking for professional advice. I wanted to see if someone had this done with their cat too. I do have a regular vet, the emergency one isn't it.

I'm also moving from Chicago to Philadelphia in a few days so he will be getting a new vet.

Puppy Galaxy
Aug 1, 2004

Hypothetical: at some point in my life I may adopt a kitten to give my lovely cat some company. Is it humane to do so when I spend 8-10hrs gone every day? I'd keep them separate and stuff until they were cool with each other, I just wonder if leaving a kitten alone in a room all day is ok?

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING
yes it is okay to leave a kitten alone for a standard American work day

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

nunsexmonkrock posted:

Is urine leakage normal after a perineal urostomy? It doesn't bother me, a vet said yes but just want to check to make sure. I think we'll just have to wipe his butt a lot from now on with baby wipes.

Edit: Asking because this is the emergency place that strung us along doing things until the bill was $6,000 we had the money saved but that was money for 2 cats.

I'm not so sure of "normal" per se, but it can have a couple benign causes... though it can have a couple not so benign causes.

When cats get blocked, their bladders get unhappy. Sometimes this is a bladder that can't contract down well because of the stress of being distended, and sometimes it's just related inflammation. Either of these could cause incontinence post-PU, as you're removing some of the urinary tract that would help control the leakage.

Otherwise, as part of the urinary tract is removed, there is compromise of some of the normal urinary defense mechanisms to bacteria. In addition, some vets use antibiotics heavily with obstructed cats. When both of these are combined, you end up with a bladder that can be ripe for a UTI; although a UTI in a normal male cat is rare, a UTI in a PU male cat is much more common. A UTI could also lead to incontinence. There are some vets who feel that if there are no significant clinical signs of a UTI (pain, malaise) to let it ride until hopefully the immune system and related functions/protection get better. Others are more quick to antibiotics, knowing that their PU cats are more prone to UTI.

So basically, if the attending vet isn't worried at the moment, then I'd say keep an eye on it as they may be expecting more of the first situation based on how he presented and how treatment went. If it continues, gets worse, he gets blood in his urine, or he seems to have an "off" day, then he may need to receive treatment.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008

HelloSailorSign posted:

I'm not so sure of "normal" per se, but it can have a couple benign causes... though it can have a couple not so benign causes.

When cats get blocked, their bladders get unhappy. Sometimes this is a bladder that can't contract down well because of the stress of being distended, and sometimes it's just related inflammation. Either of these could cause incontinence post-PU, as you're removing some of the urinary tract that would help control the leakage.

Otherwise, as part of the urinary tract is removed, there is compromise of some of the normal urinary defense mechanisms to bacteria. In addition, some vets use antibiotics heavily with obstructed cats. When both of these are combined, you end up with a bladder that can be ripe for a UTI; although a UTI in a normal male cat is rare, a UTI in a PU male cat is much more common. A UTI could also lead to incontinence. There are some vets who feel that if there are no significant clinical signs of a UTI (pain, malaise) to let it ride until hopefully the immune system and related functions/protection get better. Others are more quick to antibiotics, knowing that their PU cats are more prone to UTI.

So basically, if the attending vet isn't worried at the moment, then I'd say keep an eye on it as they may be expecting more of the first situation based on how he presented and how treatment went. If it continues, gets worse, he gets blood in his urine, or he seems to have an "off" day, then he may need to receive treatment.

Thanks for the info he's still on clavamox and there has been a lot of stress these past few days. Because we are moving in a few days and everything in the apartments has moved. They gave us some tranqs to keep him calm during the move and have been using feliway. He was freaking out today from the stress so we stopped for an hour to let him relax. It mostly happens when he's sleeping and think it's probably he just still can't get it under control while sleeping.

I have a check up schedueled with is old/new vet in Philly a few days after we get there.

ilysespieces
Oct 5, 2009

When life becomes too painful, sometimes it's better to just become a drunk.

Puppy Galaxy posted:

Hypothetical: at some point in my life I may adopt a kitten to give my lovely cat some company. Is it humane to do so when I spend 8-10hrs gone every day? I'd keep them separate and stuff until they were cool with each other, I just wonder if leaving a kitten alone in a room all day is ok?

My fiancé and I adopted an 11 week old kitten almost a year ago (it'll be a year on the 6th) and she's home alone more days from 8 to 6. She seems to be alright with this arrangement, whoever gets home first gets screamed at for food (even if there's food still left in her dish) and assaulted for snuggles and cuddles, but she entertains herself well enough and we play with her at night/on the weekends.

Kittens can manage on their own for that long. We even occasionally leave her for a long weekend with an autofeeder (and a friend stopping in because I'm neurotic and worry about her all alone).

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
So soon I will finally be the owner of a kitten. And by sometime within a year. I work at a shelter and spend a lot of time with cats and dogs so I am very good at dealing with them on a superficial level. I will be getting a kitten as young as is healthy for the cat to be removed from its family, and hopefully raising it alongside a puppy of equal youth. (Before anyone says, get an adult cat, I work with shelters, and yes adult cats can be very sweet but I want a kitten for several reasons and am set on this).

I have a few concerns, one is scratching, how do I deter a cat from scratching things other than what I want them to scratch? I have a nice new couch and am really worried a new kitten will ruin it. Secondly, how do I litter train a kitten, I literally have no idea and haven't ever done it at the shelter. I am sure I can ask a lot of my co-workers/volunteers these questions, and I will, but I figured I'd ask here too to get a fair amount of varied advice.

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Puppy Galaxy
Aug 1, 2004

Most kittens are litter trained by the time you adopt them. I think their mothers usually teach them.

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