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forbidden lesbian posted:also they're apparently an lf goon HenryKrinkle was definitely an LF goon, I remember seeing him post there. i think this justifies resurrecting lf. lowtax pls do the needful tia.
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html A bit late, but holy poo poo Roof literally got Krinkleposted I am dying NEED TOILET PAPER posted:HenryKrinkle was definitely an LF goon, I remember seeing him post there. 
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Armani posted:I didn't see it before. Do you have any reading material? The line by Dylann about 'Raping our women' (along with everything else, Christ) has kind of stuck with me, in a bad way. I don't have any longform stuff on the subject, but here's a series of tweets on it by Zoe S. https://twitter.com/ztsamudzi/status/611936346219778048 (click on the tweet itself to get Zoe's take on it, I don't know how to internet.) Essentially the thing being discussed is a need for nuanced understanding of how white women's identities are used to justify racist violence. Obviously, not all white women etc., but the basic idea is that feminism needs to focus more on how patriarchal structures justify violence against black men due to a sense of ownership over white women's bodies. There's innumerable of instances of this playing out in America history. Black men killed for looking at / "accosting" white women, or even being killed for having consensual affairs in order to preserve the white woman's honor. It's tricky, of course, because despite this stuff existing, there's still toxic misogyny within all American communities, black ones included. So it's not as transparently clean a fight like white women vs white men or black men vs white men. There are instances in which both groups oppress each other by using the privileges of their gender and race.
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Grouchio posted:A ton of people (40M +) recently saw Jon Stewart's speech on Charleston today and yesterday. Could this video alone make many people wake the gently caress up to the ugly truth? Or will they continue to do jack-poo poo? I have had a ton of people share it on Facebook but they are the ones who normally would share stuff like this. The rest have ignored it or focused on "Obama is gonna take our guns!" I took a history of terrorism class in the Spring of 2002 (my university decided to use it as an opportunity). The very first thing we did as a class was to try to "define" terrorism. Everyone had a different definition and then the professor showed us how the U.S. Government was the same way with each agency using different definitions. I was hoping that this would be declared as terrorism (at least by my definition) but I am not surprised that it is not.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:24
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I have had a ton of people share it on Facebook but they are the ones who normally would share stuff like this. The rest have ignored it or focused on "Obama is gonna take our guns!" The failure of the FBI director to acknowledge this is terrorism is one of the clearest examples of privilege I've seen in years.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The failure of the FBI director to acknowledge this is terrorism is one of the clearest examples of privilege I've seen in years. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." Sep 13, 2011 I am guessing that the FBI feels that he could not really promote the furtherance of political or social objectives. I guess it would be like "if a guy shoots up a church and no one pays attention to his reasons and no one acts on it, did it happen in the first place?" Massively stupid still and that is the only way that they could not classify it as terrorism since their definition is very VERY broad.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:41
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Grouchio posted:Is it wrong for me to keep treating the FBI as gestapo in my head? I have no idea why they haven't been reformed yet too appear less synonymous with Big Bro. I recommend Tim Weiner's Enemies (on the FBI) and Legacy of Ashes (on the CIA). Speaking of which, Weiner has a new book out this week, One Man Against the World (on Nixon), and it will surprise nobody that I preorderd that poo poo and am already halfway through it. Fun read. My favorite detail so far: Nixon would exile himself for months at a time in his home in San Clemente. He liked to sit in his study with all the blinds drawn, the air conditioner on and a wood fire burning in southern California, in August.
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Yeah, the idea that furtherance of racism, in south Carolina of all places, isn't a "political or social objective" is * stupefyingly* ignorant. The only explanations are either a massively privileged viewpoint or a deliberate decision to not acknowledge a successful terrorist attack for fear of political blowback.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:46
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I think it will be interesting, as the conservative mainstream collapses, to see the extremist groups they nurtured and indirectly supported under the cover of plausible deniability continue to go loving nuts after being let off the leash. People like this kid, the militia folks, radical Christian groups, etc, etc, all operating in an environment of losing battle after battle in the political sphere, it's going to be a fun decade or two
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Jun 21, 2015 01:47
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, the idea that furtherance of racism, in south Carolina of all places, isn't a "political or social objective" is * stupefyingly* ignorant. The only explanations are either a massively privileged viewpoint or a deliberate decision to not acknowledge a successful terrorist attack for fear of political blowback. I want to believe that it was a political decision to avoid freaking out right wing groups into thinking g Obama was going to round them up under the guise of terrorism. And that since the case is pretty much open and shut already they are content just sticking to hate crime. Beliefs aren't facts though.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:48
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He also murdered a politician. Yet somehow this is not a statement even though supposedly he deliberately targeted that man.
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icantfindaname posted:I think it will be interesting, as the conservative mainstream collapses, to see the extremist groups they nurtured and indirectly supported under the cover of plausible deniability continue to go loving nuts after being let off the leash. People like this kid, the militia folks, radical Christian groups, etc, etc, all operating in an environment of losing battle after battle in the political sphere, it's going to be a fun decade or two
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, the idea that furtherance of racism, in south Carolina of all places, isn't a "political or social objective" is * stupefyingly* ignorant. The only explanations are either a massively privileged viewpoint or a deliberate decision to not acknowledge a successful terrorist attack for fear of political blowback. Enough was on his website + criminal record to warrant at least an FBI file and wow all that domestic surveillance didn't catch anything. It honestly is a black eye.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:51
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fosborb posted:Enough was on his website + criminal record to warrant at least an FBI file and wow all that domestic surveillance didn't catch anything. It honestly is a black eye. I suppose we should be counting our blessings: at least they aren't blaming curtailed surveillance.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:52
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Crain posted:Photos of what? Also is this just some random white supremacist site or is this connected to Roof in some way? Why hasn't Google blocked racist propagandists from appearing in searches for unrelated topics?
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Jun 21, 2015 01:53
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Quote of the night, "The placement of a Confederate flag on the Capitol grounds is a state issue" ~ Scott Walker, taking a massive poo poo on the people of Wisconsin, who were some of the best Union soldiers.
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Jun 21, 2015 01:54
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I suppose we should be counting our blessings: at least they aren't blaming curtailed surveillance. That's because they threw that temper tantrum in 09 about Unabomber style domestic terrorism. DHS had no choice but to shut up/refocus post 2010.
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ErichZahn posted:Why hasn't Google blocked racist propagandists from appearing in searches for unrelated topics? Define 'racist propaganda'
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Jun 21, 2015 01:58
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forbidden lesbian posted:i'm going to take back the confederate flag from the racists Kanye?
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NEED TOILET PAPER posted:HenryKrinkle was definitely an LF goon, I remember seeing him post there.  ☭☭☭☭☭☭ http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/12948/ ☭☭☭☭☭☭
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Jun 21, 2015 02:01
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ErichZahn posted:Why hasn't Google blocked racist propagandists from appearing in searches for unrelated topics? Generally speaking, you learn to take the bad with the good.
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Jun 21, 2015 02:02
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Hey guys, I heard we were talking stupifyingly terrible biased violence in the state of south carolina, so have this: http://www.postandcourier.com/tilldeath/partone.html
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Jun 21, 2015 02:08
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Fried Chicken posted:Hey guys, I heard we were talking stupifyingly terrible biased violence in the state of south carolina, so have this: http://www.postandcourier.com/tilldeath/partone.html Actually relevant, since from what I read in the daily mail earlier, Root's parents divorced due to domestic abuse.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the night, "The placement of a Confederate flag on the Capitol grounds is a state issue" ~ Scott Walker, taking a massive poo poo on the people of Wisconsin, who were some of the best Union soldiers. Looks like Bobby Jindal just did it too.
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Jun 21, 2015 02:15
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My Imaginary GF posted:Define 'racist propaganda' What do you read?
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Jun 21, 2015 02:16
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." I'm not quite understanding how this could be classified as "not terrorism" but the Boston bombing could be classified as "terrorism". What's the difference, in light of that definition?
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Tobermory posted:Looks like Bobby Jindal just did it too. And Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham, but they're all from the traitor states, while Walker purportedly represents a state whose citizens fought valiantly to ensure that flag, and the ideas it represents, were discarded.
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GlyphGryph posted:I'm not quite understanding how this could be classified as "not terrorism" but the Boston bombing could be classified as "terrorism". What's the difference, in light of that definition? The bombing was the brothers' response to certain US actions overseas. I guess they thought "get rid of all black people" wasn't a realistic enough objective for the FBI.
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Joementum posted:And Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham, but they're all from the traitor states, while Walker purportedly represents a state whose citizens fought valiantly to ensure that flag, and the ideas it represents, were discarded. Walker needs the vote of the traitor states, and Walker never really cared about Wisconsin citizens in the first place.
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Jun 21, 2015 02:21
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So discourse around this tragedy is gonna be pretty much entirely about the flag, huh
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Jagchosis posted:So discourse around this tragedy is gonna be pretty much entirely about the flag, huh guess it's a lot more comfortable than talking about how close 1488 rhetoric can get to what drudge shits out
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It annoys the hell out of me that the south smugly calls it the "War of Northern Aggression" and even though it would be juvenile as hell it'd be nice to see the North call it "That Time a Bunch of Racists Betrayed their Country."
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axeil posted:It annoys the hell out of me that the south smugly calls it the "War of Northern Aggression" and even though it would be juvenile as hell it'd be nice to see the North call it "That Time a Bunch of Racists Betrayed their Country." I think "Slaveholders' Rebellion" is a good one.
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Joementum posted:And Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham, but they're all from the traitor states, while Walker purportedly represents a state whose citizens fought valiantly to ensure that flag, and the ideas it represents, were discarded. Walker's a bought-out catamite for rich sociopaths.
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axeil posted:It annoys the hell out of me that the south smugly calls it the "War of Northern Aggression" and even though it would be juvenile as hell it'd be nice to see the North call it "That Time a Bunch of Racists Betrayed their Country." No one in the South actually calls it that.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I think "Slaveholders' Rebellion" is a good one. "Slavehorders' Revolt" sounds better IMO.
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State's Rights is the ultimate, weak-sauce argument of those too cowardly (or, I suppose, untrustworthy) to offer an actual loving opinion. Not stating that the State should decide to take it down is chickenshit. Calling it a State's issue dodges the fundamental question. Calling Gay Marriage a State's issue dodges a fundamental question. What do these people actually believe? Do you believe that it should stay up, and you're too chickenshit to say so, because the part of the country that isn't loving crazy will rightfully crucify you for it in the court of public opinion? Or do you believe that it DOES represent something evil and abhorrent, but you're too chickenshit to say so, because you honestly need the evil, abhorrent fuckers who want to keep it to vote for you? EDIT: And which is worse? Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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GlyphGryph posted:I'm not quite understanding how this could be classified as "not terrorism" but the Boston bombing could be classified as "terrorism". What's the difference, in light of that definition? I think your analysis is correct and there is no legally significant difference.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the night, "The placement of a Confederate flag on the Capitol grounds is a state issue" ~ Scott Walker, taking a massive poo poo on the people of Wisconsin, who were some of the best Union soldiers. Not like he's doing anything new or unheard of here.
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berzerker posted:No one in the South actually calls it that. I guarantee you this is false.
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