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bearic posted:Yes, it has been finalized, and yes, Greece supported the 1-year renewal of the sanctions. See the official EU release here, released on the same day that Tsipras gave his talk about how sanctions against Russia need to end: http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/06/19-crimea-eu-extends-restrictions-illegal-annexation/ It's not finalized until monday, as it turns out. quote:Greece’s contacts with the Kremlin have spurred speculation that it would veto an extension in exchange for Russian largesse. EU sanctions require a unanimous vote by the 28 governments. While the time to signal a veto would have been at Wednesday’s meeting in Brussels, opponents will have one more chance to block them before the decision becomes final on Monday quote:European foes of sanctions -- led by Greece, but including countries such as Austria and Hungary -- were neutralized by Tusk’s move to ram the decision through the permanent Brussels-based bureaucracy. Greece’s representative didn’t take the floor in Wednesday’s debate, an official said. archaeo fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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StandardVC10 posted:Oh christ who let you back in. IDK but it's a nice redtext
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Question for Brown Moses or somebody else in the know: White stripes on tanks and APCs in Ukraine; Ukrainian army or separatist forces? Because iirc white armbands were separatists (in particular Russian soldiers), but I never found out who puts the white stripes on their vehicles.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Question for Brown Moses or somebody else in the know: White stripes on tanks and APCs in Ukraine; Ukrainian army or separatist forces? Because iirc white armbands were separatists (in particular Russian soldiers), but I never found out who puts the white stripes on their vehicles. Two parallel white stripes is Ukrainian army IFF.
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OddObserver posted:Two parallel white stripes is Ukrainian army IFF. Do the separatist vehicles have any distinct markers?
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Do the separatist vehicles have any distinct markers? Russian accents.
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Three white stripes on their track suits.
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El Scotch posted:Russian accents. If a Russian tank goes on vacation in Ukraine and there's nobody around to film it, does it make a sound?
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Do the separatist vehicles have any distinct markers? There's various tactical markings their units use, which is handy as once you establish one of those units is from Russian then you can make a fair guess the rest of the units with those marks are also from Russia.
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Brown Moses posted:I was hoping it would be mentioned in his piece, I'd rather not say until he publishes something himself. He talks about it here http://www.svoboda.mobi/a/27082622.html Mokotow posted:Simon Ostrovsky Selfie Soldiers piece made it to the Gazeta.pl homepage. Speaking of which, Brown Moses, you mentioned Simon being in hot water over it - is there anything more coming from him, or can you shed some light? I've done enough sneaking its investigation, because I thought that these problems may occur. Therefore, only at the end of its investigation, the object of the investigation, I announced that I spend it, because I did not want to startle. This soldier tanker bateau Dambaev, whose photos I've been tracking that he fasted "VKontakte". But as soon as I'm at the end of the investigation contacted him a few hours in my hotel came ostensibly Migration Service employees for no reason, no reason, I was asked. With them were two interns, they called themselves the trainees, but I think it was, in fact, the FSB. I just grazed before my departure from the country. - It was in Buryatia? - And in Buryatia, and in Moscow. First I flew from Buryatia, and then I flew to Moscow, where I also met a group of greetings, consisting of border guards, even though I did not cross the border, arriving from Buryatia.While I have not departed from me, not behind.
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Link here http://www.svoboda.mobi/a/27082622.html
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Libluini posted:Well, Greece will be freed of it's EU-shackles soon. Tsipras can then unilaterally stop the sanctions in Greece. Then Russia gains another satellite-state to station nuclear missiles on! Good times for Greece. I have to wonder if Greece is thinking about that. That'd be a knock over the table moment for them.
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Libluini posted:Well, Greece will be freed of it's EU-shackles soon. Tsipras can then unilaterally stop the sanctions in Greece.
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Thanks, Brown Moses!
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Why are we bolding Brown Moses now?
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Sion posted:Why are we bolding Brown Moses now? Because of the bold moves Brown Moses has been making.
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It's now proper to bold proper nouns. Our Eastern European friends need more complications to remember in English.
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For real though, solid job with your Vice interview, BM.
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Maybe it's time for BM to be promoted to The Brown Moses.
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az posted:Maybe it's time for BM to be promoted to The Brown Moses. Why? Is there more than one? Thought something important happened, NM continue the circle-jerk.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Do the separatist vehicles have any distinct markers? Out of the various ones I've seen they range from large bright green squares to small Russian flags.
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How do we get goatse on a shell? e: If you're looking for a good representation of the fighting in East Ukraine, this documentary is pretty well made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIe5N51I_RU Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Russia is what happens when state propaganda is so pervasive that it effects the leaders of the state. I don't think there are any states that aren't like this.
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We need to step up our game. Though I guess SA indirectly delivered them truth bombs via Bellingcat.
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bearic posted:We need to step up our game. Though I guess SA indirectly delivered them truth bombs via Bellingcat. This would be a rather hilarious proposition to promote if one spoke ukrainian. Alas.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:How do we get goatse on a shell? Y'all know this is distasteful and barbaric right
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They cannot put goatse on their warplanes. Why? Because its obscene!
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SedanChair posted:Y'all know this is distasteful and barbaric right I don't quite think the people who are going to be cooked alive or have limbs torn off by that high yield explosive device really care what's written on the casing. Of all the poo poo happening in Ukraine right now (on both sides) this is the smallest of offenses I can imagine.
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A Pale Horse posted:I don't quite think the people who are going to be cooked alive or have limbs torn off by that high yield explosive device really care what's written on the casing. Of all the poo poo happening in Ukraine right now (on both sides) this is the smallest of offenses I can imagine. Every little barbarism war spectators engage in is a small offense. That doesn't make it tasteful or redeem them.
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Discendo Vox posted:Russia is what happens when state propaganda is so pervasive that it effects the leaders of the state. It's really just very pervasive, especially in channels where propaganda has usually been more restrained in order to maintain international credibility. Propaganda of this sort never stopped being churned out and really the most notable thing to be has been the willingness to engage in such transparent propaganda using the more official sources. If the decision makers in the Russian government actually believed the propaganda we'd be seeing a massive draft with the Russian army on high alert in defensive positions on Poland's borders. Hell, given some of the propaganda the missiles should already have been launched given the imminent NATO first strike. Instead we've got a shifting of some units along with a bunch of surplus equipment to Ukraine's border while the Russian army sits comfortably on its bases putting together convoys to shift across the border along with the occasional cross-border artillery diversion. Meanwhile the rest of Russia's military operations can be summed up as sporadic, politically useful dickwaving. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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SedanChair posted:Every little barbarism war spectators engage in is a small offense. That doesn't make it tasteful or redeem them. Well I'm glad you're here to clutch your pearls for us about inane bullshit.
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Sion posted:Why are we bolding Brown Moses now? I did it because I was asking him a direct question and figured he has a lot of stuff to read as it is so something like bolding might help. Not sure what these other clownshoes are up to.
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Discendo Vox posted:Russia is what happens when state propaganda is so pervasive that it effects the leaders of the state. I don't see much differences between that and the non-stop "Saddam did 9/11 and has WMDs and he's going to nuke New York if we don't seize all his oil wells first" bullshit coming from 100% of American media twelve years ago. In fantasy novels published in the USA at the time, righteous heroes had to slaughter evil protesters, "armed only with their hatred for moral clarity" direct quote, because they opposed war. Today people look with horror upon Russian propaganda (official or not) as if it was something specifically Tsarist and Soviet in nature, but we in the free and liberal West are immune to such rampant distortion of the truth. This isn't meant as whataboutism and it does not in any way excuse or justify Russian exactions in Ukraine. But claiming such propaganda is somehow unprecedented or exclusively a Russian thing is quite delusional.
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A Pale Horse posted:Well I'm glad you're here to clutch your pearls for us about inane bullshit. I don't see how criticizing the vicarious jollies of war porn enthusiasts is inane. By all means, compare yourself to Russian nationals as a gauge of your own humanity, though.
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It makes no sense to make that argument here, now, in this manner. You only want to shift discussion to counts of trivial morality, likely because you have nothing else to contribute.
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No I am not "shifting" anything, I think writing on bombs or asking things to be written on bombs when you are not a combatant is a weird and gross thing to do, and makes you less of a person, that's all. That is what I have to contribute at the moment, and it is worth saying.
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I agree with SC, although I think he undersells it. It's not just gauche- it's grotesque. There's more than a whiff of the Napoleonic era thing of taking a picnic lunch up to hilltop to watch soldiers die through field glasses.
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What if you write "im gay" on it?
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SedanChair posted:No I am not "shifting" anything, I think writing on bombs or asking things to be written on bombs when you are not a combatant is a weird and gross thing to do, and makes you less of a person, that's all. That is what I have to contribute at the moment, and it is worth saying. If I want people in another country to paint a man's gaping rear end in a top hat on their ordnance for my benefit, it's my right goddammit!
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