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Dr. Stab posted:Why would their board go away? Because you're a control deck who likely wiped it.
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End of Life Guy posted:Because you're a control deck who likely wiped it. Then what's the tradeoff here? Play boardwipes and don't play the card that makes them draw 7 cards. Also Tainted Remedy + Beacon of Immortality combo here I come.
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Jun 23, 2015 17:39
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Jun 23, 2015 17:41
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suicidesteve posted:So is this entire set just bad remakes of cards they won't put in standard? Stoneforge, Noble Hierarch, Demonic Tutor, Timetwister, Opalescence, Bolt. I'm waiting for the bad Goyf, bad Confidant, bad Swords (to Plowshares of of This and That to go with bad Stoneforge.) When they said "origins" everyone thought we'd get a reprint of BoP. Instead we're getting remixes of old cards, time spiral block style. Not gonna lie, I like it. 
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Jun 23, 2015 17:44
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Zoness posted:Hey whoa quirion dryad is the much closer comparison plus this is at least interestingly comparable to dryad. It's closer to Taurean Mauler. Bring back Quirion Dryad. That card's great.
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suicidesteve posted:It's closer to Taurean Mauler. It's kinda sad that they reprinted it in M13 and it barely got any play, even with RTR right after.
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Boxman posted:When they said "origins" everyone thought we'd get a reprint of BoP. Instead we're getting remixes of old cards, time spiral block style. Not gonna lie, I like it. It's a neat reboot flavor take, yeah. Maybe a not flying baby bird could tap for limited mana.
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Boxman posted:When they said "origins" everyone thought we'd get a reprint of BoP. Instead we're getting remixes of old cards, time spiral block style. Not gonna lie, I like it. If the card is good then it's a neat callback, but if it's then it's kind of like being flipped off (Ignoble Hierarch)
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Jun 23, 2015 17:55
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TheKingofSprings posted:If the card is good then it's a neat callback, but if it's then it's kind of like being flipped off (Ignoble Hierarch) You really wanna force that nickname don't you.
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Jun 23, 2015 17:57
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This is completely off the top of my head after looking at the Day's Undoing spoiler. Thoughts? creatures (14): ————— 4 Delver of Secrets 3 Tasigur, the Golden Fang 3 Guramog Angler 4 Notion Thief Sorcery (12) ———— 4 Day’s Undoing 4 Serum Visions 4 Inquisition of Kozilek Instant (8) ——— 3 Doom Blade 2 Psionic Blast 3 Far/Away Enchantment (4) —— 4 Leyline of Anticipation
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Tim Raines IRL posted:This is completely off the top of my head after looking at the Day's Undoing spoiler. Thoughts? Feels like if it doesn't get its very specific set of cards at the right time, then it's just going to fall apart from pressure from more consistent decks. Part of what makes, say, Twin good is that even if it isn't do its instant death combo, it's still a very refined and powerful tempo deck.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:This is completely off the top of my head after looking at the Day's Undoing spoiler. Thoughts? Needs thought scour and/or noble hierarch at least.
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Pyronic posted:You really wanna force that nickname don't you. The one I really want to force is Timeshitter, I'm just going along with the crowd for that other one
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Jun 23, 2015 18:05
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Ramos posted:Feels like if it doesn't get its very specific set of cards at the right time, then it's just going to fall apart from pressure from more consistent decks. Part of what makes, say, Twin good is that even if it isn't do its instant death combo, it's still a very refined and powerful tempo deck. Yeah, reasonable, I'm just spitballing. I want to build a deck around a day's undoing / notion thief shell, though. What would you do? Zoness posted:Needs thought scour and/or noble hierarch at least. Splashing green also puts abrupt decay in there instead of Doom Blade.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:Yeah, reasonable, I'm just spitballing. I want to build a deck around a day's undoing / notion thief shell, though. What would you do? It curves better from Spirit of the Labyrinth as long as we're bringing up janky ideas  It looks like it would play well with Aether Vial, too
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Tim Raines IRL posted:Yeah, reasonable, I'm just spitballing. I want to build a deck around a day's undoing / notion thief shell, though. What would you do? I mean noble hierarch isn't a light investment and a bit unusual for a delver shell so i think thats a tradeoff there. Thought Scour lets you expand in the dimension of delving out tasigur or angler which is still your primary plan here then graveyard size permitting you can delve away garbo cards and then daze undoing a new hand or something. Noble Hierarch would let you play a bant-ish shell where you ramp bigger threats and use day's undonning to refill your hand after committing more to the board but you can't really play knight of the reliquary with day-z undoting so that kind of sucks. The idea in either case is to get ahead on board and then use the draw 7 to keep building on that lead, in the abstract.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:This is completely off the top of my head after looking at the Day's Undoing spoiler. Thoughts? Delve and Days Undoing only work together if you have a Notion Thief out, and only if you do it on your turn. Otherwise Day's Undoing shuffles your graveyard in to your library.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If the card is good then it's a neat callback, but if it's then it's kind of like being flipped off (Ignoble Hierarch) I respect the one that actually earned its abilities instead of being born with them.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:Yeah, reasonable, I'm just spitballing. I want to build a deck around a day's undoing / notion thief shell, though. What would you do? Aside from the problem with delve mentioned, I think the deck should largely stay working with instants. That way when you play the card you can be reloaded for the opponent's turn. It's why I immediately thought of counterburn in standard at least. Might work well with faeries, actually? I say really, really hesitantly.
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Jun 23, 2015 18:17
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I think the leylines are bad, you're not going to survive if you're putting off the combo until turn 7. A cantrip would probably be better.
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Jun 23, 2015 18:21
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Chill la Chill posted:I respect the one that actually earned its abilities instead of being born with them. I too appreciate the card being a symbolic representation of the 99% being brutally crushed by the 1%
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Jun 23, 2015 18:21
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Chill la Chill posted:I respect the one that actually earned its abilities instead of being born with them. His power comes from being acknowledged by others rather than earning recognition and he goes on not to use his power to enable others. That's not a heroic attribute, it's selfish and vainglorious. He's clearly lost his way.
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Jun 23, 2015 18:24
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Jun 23, 2015 18:25
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With all the remixes of old cards, good or bad, that they're printing in this set, I can't wait for the remixed Time Walk.
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Jun 23, 2015 18:33
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I think Tainted Remedy is a good sideboard card. Cards I would use it against: Rhino, Courser, Seeker of the Way, Soulfire, Mastery of the Unseen, Dromoka.
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Jun 23, 2015 18:35
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Chill la Chill posted:I respect the one that actually earned its abilities instead of being born with them. What makes this Heirarch so special though? Plenty of other creatures deal damage to players without getting renown. I tell you, inter-planes media just isn't the same these days. You shouldn't need a drat +1/+1 counter just for doing your job.
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Trilas posted:What makes this Heirarch so special though? Plenty of other creatures deal damage to players without getting renown. I tell you, inter-planes media just isn't the same these days. You shouldn't need a drat +1/+1 counter just for doing your job. He's good at politics, alright? A real man of the people.
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New Hierarch reminds me a little of Experiment One, though worse past the early turns obviously.
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Liliana made deals with how many demons? We've got a depiction of Griselbrand and a release of another demon. What's left for her?
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Oraculum Animi posted:Liliana made deals with how many demons? We've got a depiction of Griselbrand and a release of another demon. What's left for her? 4 in all, and I think the demon in this set was the last one alive?
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Ramos posted:Aside from the problem with delve mentioned, I think the deck should largely stay working with instants. That way when you play the card you can be reloaded for the opponent's turn. It's why I immediately thought of counterburn in standard at least. Might work well with faeries, actually? I say really, really hesitantly. Timeshitter will work best with cheap cards that you play a lot of in a turn, and yeah, instant speed probably works best
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Dr. Stab posted:Why would their board go away? Because I'd been awake for 10 minutes and am illiterate. Whoops.
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Samael posted:
I will be putting this and the new Hierarch in my Skullbriar Tiny Leaders deck. Huzzah for counters!
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bhsman posted:4 in all, and I think the demon in this set was the last one alive? Kothophed and Griselbrand were already dead as of the last time we saw Liliana, and the other two aren't mentioned. Origins isn't "current" so it has Kothophed in it, but he was killed by Liliana when she took the Chain Veil prior to Innistrad's story arc.
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The new Timetwister seems probably bad but I like the notion of using it to refill your hand in a very aggro deck with alternate-casting cost / cheap poo poo, either affinity or even a delver shell that is gonna love drawing a new grip of forces/dazes/misdirections. Ending your turn after casting it in your second main does not seem terrible so long as you can capitalize on the cards afterwards. The new demonic tutor seems pretty strong for storm, and would fix a lot of the consistency issues that modern storm has too (although it would gently caress up the mana). the "if an opponent would gain life, they lose it instead" card seems like it would be useful in legacy fringe deck "false cure". You can dump a lot of life on an opponent for free with that deck 
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ZeButler posted:With all the remixes of old cards, good or bad, that they're printing in this set, I can't wait for the remixed Time Walk. We just got that in the last set. It was bad so everyone forgot about it.
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Entropic posted:We just got that in the last set. It was bad so everyone forgot about it. Well, no, we got a few callbacks to characters in the storyline as well as several guest designed cards, but no time spiral-esque call backs. Also, I liked M15 a lot and felt it also added a lot to the metagame as well as to casual decks?
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The new tutor won't see play guys. Modern can't support the color, it already chokes hard on blue. Sure you could cast it in legacy, but what would tutor for? Legacy already has 2 mana tutors in the form of burning wish and the hellbent one who's name escapes me.
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Ramos posted:Well, no, we got a few callbacks to characters in the storyline as well as several guest designed cards, but no time spiral-esque call backs. Also, I liked M15 a lot and felt it also added a lot to the metagame as well as to casual decks? I meant the 8UUU Delve Time Walk. No one remembers it because it's really bad.
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Sigma-X posted:The new Timetwister seems probably bad but I like the notion of using it to refill your hand in a very aggro deck with alternate-casting cost / cheap poo poo, either affinity or even a delver shell that is gonna love drawing a new grip of forces/dazes/misdirections. Ending your turn after casting it in your second main does not seem terrible so long as you can capitalize on the cards afterwards. I agree, it actually seems strong if "end your turn" is what you were going to do if you didn't cast it. I don't know if that makes it good enough (maybe in Control, which operates at Instant speed otherwise?), but it's certainly strong.
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