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Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
I'm curious what the real differences are between the 610 and the 610 Pro. So far all I'm seeing is the pen is rechargeable rather than taking a AAA battery, and that instead of an on/off clicky button on the back of the pen you have the charging port.

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kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
Here's a question. What's the proper way to clean pen grips? The grip on my art pen has gotten grimy from finger oil and such over the years and I have no idea of the best way to clean it since it's rubber. Soap and water?

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse
I have an old Intuos 4 tablet that still works fine but I can't find my pen. How can I be sure that a replacement pen will work on my tablet? I've tried swapping pens between the intuos 4 and cintiq 21 at work and they don't work, but this product is advertised as for Intuos4/Cintiq21.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

kefkafloyd posted:

Here's a question. What's the proper way to clean pen grips? The grip on my art pen has gotten grimy from finger oil and such over the years and I have no idea of the best way to clean it since it's rubber. Soap and water?

Pretty much.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

wiping with rubbing alcohol is better

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Listerine posted:

I have an old Intuos 4 tablet that still works fine but I can't find my pen. How can I be sure that a replacement pen will work on my tablet? I've tried swapping pens between the intuos 4 and cintiq 21 at work and they don't work, but this product is advertised as for Intuos4/Cintiq21.

There are two models of Cintiq 21UX. One is the Intuos3 model, the DTZ-2100. While the intuos4 compatible model is the DTK-2100. Your Cintiq at work is probably the DTZ, while my Cintiq 21UX is the DTK model and uses the Intuos4 pens.

All Intuos4 models and the ones made after it (Intuos5, Intuos Pro, Cintiq DTK-2100, the 22/24/27 inch cintiqs) use the Intuos4 pen tech and all of the pens are compatible.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

kefkafloyd posted:

There are two models of Cintiq 21UX. One is the Intuos3 model, the DTZ-2100. While the intuos4 compatible model is the DTK-2100. Your Cintiq at work is probably the DTZ, while my Cintiq 21UX is the DTK model and uses the Intuos4 pens.

All Intuos4 models and the ones made after it (Intuos5, Intuos Pro, Cintiq DTK-2100, the 22/24/27 inch cintiqs) use the Intuos4 pen tech and all of the pens are compatible.

What about this Intuos pen that they have for sale? I'd much rather buy a 30 dollar pen than shell out 60 bucks.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Listerine posted:

What about this Intuos pen that they have for sale? I'd much rather buy a 30 dollar pen than shell out 60 bucks.

That is for Bamboo / "Intuous Pen & Touch" tablets. They use a different digitizer. It will not work.

You want to buy the actual Intuos 4 / pro pens.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

kefkafloyd posted:

That is for Bamboo / "Intuous Pen & Touch" tablets. They use a different digitizer. It will not work.

You want to buy the actual Intuos 4 / pro pens.

Thank you.

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
So I decided that I'll just go with the Intuos Small for my first tablet, a lot of people really hammered in that I should go with a Wacom product for my needs and really other than the one or two recommendations here no one's been able to actually backup getting a Huion H610.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Arthil posted:

So I decided that I'll just go with the Intuos Small for my first tablet, a lot of people really hammered in that I should go with a Wacom product for my needs and really other than the one or two recommendations here no one's been able to actually backup getting a Huion H610.

I mean if you're going to let that one anecdote about how the Huions seem to have issues connecting depending on when you connect it to use Photoshop, that poo poo happens all the time with Wacom tablets too, it's not something that only happens on Huions. If the Intuos Small is the absolute limit to your budget, you might as well just spring for the Huion H610 since it has a vastly larger active area.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



Not to mention the H610 has twice the pressure sensitivity, twice the resolution in the surface itself, and nearly twice as fast a sample rate for the pen position/pressure level. The Intous has 36% the active area of the H610. And keep in mind that unless your monitor is some strange resolution that has the same aspect ratio as the active area of the tablet, you won't be using the whole tablet surface 1:1 - parts of it are automatically dead zones.

If you are set on a Wacom that's fine (I'll probably upgrade to one at some point), but I'd definitely get something bigger. The Small is the size of a smallish postcard - 3.7" x 6", which, again, you won't even use all of.

Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 03:26 on May 16, 2015

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
It's mostly what I hear about their support of the product, or lack there of. I'll still have some time to decide, I'm waiting for payment for a finished project to come in before I make a final decision. Thing is I'm not using this to illustrate, I won't be doing big elaborate pictures(unless I suddenly decide I want to draw but anyway) it's for 'sketching'. Putting out ideas directly onto my Illustrator page, and making the simple artwork I do for some design be easier to manage than trying to do it by mouse.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Prolonged Priapism posted:

The Intous has 36% the active area of the H610. And keep in mind that unless your monitor is some strange resolution that has the same aspect ratio as the active area of the tablet, you won't be using the whole tablet surface 1:1 - parts of it are automatically dead zones.

You should be using the force proportions option on tablets anyways so this isn't really a concern tbqh

Strotski
Dec 29, 2013

While I have a wacom bamboo myself (previously had intuous 5 medium so I have some point of comparison) - I'll buy huion h610 pro in a month or two, simply because it's the price of wacom bamboo in my country (cheaper in fact), not to mention all the facts about larger surface area and pen pressure.
I only sketch myself, can't say I draw or paint these days and I definitely miss larger surface area, it helps a lot with accurate sketching, you don't have to zoom in as much.

Wacom has driver issues, always had, I reinstall drivers about once or twice a month and that's the usual deal for me. Sometimes pen pressure drops for a second or two, sometimes you need to reboot or reinstall drivers completely, so if anything Huion has less issues from all the reviews I've read.

And if Frenden (http://frenden.com/post/87110791272/huion-h610-pro-h610-k58-graphics-tablet-review) has line quality that good and uses it as his main tablet while having ALL the tablets available to him (including much more expensive ones like wacom companion, cintiq, Yiynova, etc) then hell, it's good enough for professionals and superior to Wacom in my eyes.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

pandaK posted:

You should be using the force proportions option on tablets anyways so this isn't really a concern tbqh

Huh? Why

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY


More accurately maps your movements on a tablet onto the screen, obviously. Sure it may seem pretty hypocritical to suggest effectively deadzoning a portion of your tablet right after talking about how small tablets are bad, but in that regard the larger tablet will still have more surface area regardless.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Oh, well yeah I didn't know some people didn't do that..

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

also disable legacy compatibility on wacoms so that you can actually use all 2048 degrees of sensitivity which is turned on by default (meaning you were only using 1024) lol

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

pandaK posted:

also disable legacy compatibility on wacoms so that you can actually use all 2048 degrees of sensitivity which is turned on by default (meaning you were only using 1024) lol

Son of a gently caress.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

pandaK posted:

also disable legacy compatibility on wacoms so that you can actually use all 2048 degrees of sensitivity which is turned on by default (meaning you were only using 1024) lol

Goddamn, where do I do that? In the driver?

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Listerine posted:

Goddamn, where do I do that? In the driver?


Options > Uncheck Pressure Compatibility

loga mira
Feb 16, 2011

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE NAZIS?
There's no meaningful use for such precision anyway. You'd need a brush that goes from 0 to 2048 with very tight spacing, a robotic arm to draw with, and a broken brain that cares about a 1p difference between brush samples. Most settings in most apps go to 100 or 255 at best.

Subyng
May 4, 2013
I have an Intuous 3(4?). Is there a way to map the tablet drawing area to the same aspect ratio as what I'm drawing on screen?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


The H610 Pro is great and the increase in surface area over the small Wacom tablets improved my drawing experience immeasurably. A medium Intuos would beat the H610 Pro in spec, though not on price. With the small, I'd say the Huion is a no-brainer.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Subyng posted:

I have an Intuous 3(4?). Is there a way to map the tablet drawing area to the same aspect ratio as what I'm drawing on screen?

pandaK posted:

You should be using the force proportions option on tablets anyways so this isn't really a concern tbqh


Turn on Force Proportions

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

Best all in one tablet solution right now?

Surface Pro 3 or Cintiq tablet?

I was told the other day that the new cintiq tablets can plug into any PC or mac and actually use their horsepower instead of the built in stuff. This seems very interesting to me. Any thoughts? I was leaning toward the Surface Pro 3 until I heard that.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
The Cintiq is the better all-around but it's also $$$

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
For the price of the Cintiq companion you could get a surface pro 3 for portable use and the cintiq 13" monitor for at a computer use.

Speaking of I am finally going to roll the dice and buy a Ugee 2150. It's got a 21.5" ips 1080p screen and UC logic digitizers for around $600 on amazon or ebay. From all the reviews I've read it's almost identical hardware wise with the Huion gt-220 but with drivers/digitizers similar to the yiynova mvp22u+ (which makes sense since they both use UC Logic). The lack of presence in the US makes me a little nervous but the reviews that are there all seem really positive and the company seems to have a decent reputation in the UK/China.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
At least they're finally making the knockoff cintiqs with DVI ports, the image quality on the previous Yiynovas really put me off.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

kefkafloyd posted:

At least they're finally making the knockoff cintiqs with DVI ports, the image quality on the previous Yiynovas really put me off.

I am pretty sure all the 22" versions of the current crop of knockoffs come with either dvi or hdmi (the ugee i ordered comes with hdmi) while almost all of the 19" versions are vga only. And if you want to get a 'deal', yiynova just started selling the old ver. 2 of the mvp22u that had all those issues for the reduced price of $800.

autojive
Jul 5, 2007
This Space for Rent
I have an i7 Cintiq Companion 2. The ability to connect it to your desktop and use it as a 13HD Cintiq is brilliant and is what sold me on getting one. I can take it with me to work to use, then back home for my desktop, and use it in a portable form anywhere else. I bought a few extra cables (2 each of ashort extension cord, short HDMI extension, and USB extensions) to make connecting it to my work and home desktops a lot easier without buying an extra Cintiq Connection Cable, which weren't available separately when I bought mine. I have no idea if they are available as separate accessories now but if you want to use it on several desktops regularly, you may want to pick up an extra cable or do what I did with extensions (it was actually cheaper than an extra cable, too).

I've got coworkers that bought the top-end Surface Pro 3 when they were released and they really seemed to enjoy them for a while. They really liked the stylus and work in Photoshop was very responsive after some Ntrig driver updates. They were using them all the time at work but they slowly disappeared once the novelty wore off, I think. I haven't seen them use them in at least 6 months but I've used my Companion 2 every day since I bought it in February.

My only gripe is that the battery lasts about 4 hours on average for me depending on what I'm doing but it's usually enough since I'm not sketching or working away from my desktop for that long.

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers
Two things about the Huion H610 Pro pen, one might be a repost.

1) The rubberized coating on the pen rubs off after a month or two where you hold it. Just smooth plastic rings now on any ridges where it's gripped.

2) When you wear the pen nib down, it literally just falls out of the pen and rolls around on the floor. Rather than the tip wearing down, the part that hugs against the barrel wears down. I found this out last night when I thought it snapped in two and opened the pen up (it slides apart with medium force) and tugged the wires out of the battery charger at the top. Oops. Only two tiny solder points or putting an extension wire inbetween, but typing this up for typing's sake nonetheless.

Been using the tablet for Maya since April or May of last year, this is the first pen nib to wear down.

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further

Wowporn posted:

For the price of the Cintiq companion you could get a surface pro 3 for portable use and the cintiq 13" monitor for at a computer use.

This would be great if I didn't already have a Cintiq 21UX at home. I suppose I like the idea of being able to plug the cintiq into a friend's machine or into a school computer, if it came down to it. The cost really is prohibitive though. Especially compared to the Surface 3 Pro, which seems more portable for a sculpting solution on the go. Arguably less powerful though.

Frown Town
Sep 10, 2009

does not even lift
SWAG SWAG SWAG YOLO
Cintiq Report: I'm on my third Cintiq 27QHD from B&H Photo Video - they have a pretty generous return policy and allowed me to hang onto each Cintiq I was planning to send back until replacements were back in stock and shipped to me. (Keeping them in stock seems to be an issue, they seem to come in once every two or three months)

First one had a bright green stuck pixel that I couldn't unstick in the center. Second had a red pixel in the bottom center and an eyelash-sized fiber under the glass.

This third one has two very faint green stuck pixels in the left-ish quadrant and are fairly unnoticeable. Running some seizure-inducing vids with the hope I can unstick those pixels, but I might just give up and keep this tablet since I'm zero percent convinced Wacom can produce a display with no defects. I like the tablet a whole lot since my driver issues resolved, and my lag problems seem to have disappeared after swapping the USB 3.0 cable for a USB 2.0 one.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip
Any defect would drive me crazy in a nearly $3k piece of hardware, tbh

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
After dealing with a nightmare ebay seller for like two weeks and reordering it off amazon I finally got my ugee tablet today. It's really dope.I think it's got a tiny speck of dust in the corner but other than that there's no dead pixels and it seems to work well.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Hey so my bamboo fun plug is bent...again. Anyone know if I can just use another micro USB wire or do I need to buy a new tablet completely? This has happened before with a bamboo fun and I'm not very happy about the quality of the plug. At least none of it is stuck in the port this time!!

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
So long as the port isn't broken you can use whatever cable you want.

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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Wowporn posted:

After dealing with a nightmare ebay seller for like two weeks and reordering it off amazon I finally got my ugee tablet today. It's really dope.I think it's got a tiny speck of dust in the corner but other than that there's no dead pixels and it seems to work well.

After doing a bunch of practice doodles I am liking this thing a whole bunch. The disconnect with a regular tablet was a big thing preventing me from really getting into digital art as much even though I craved the versatility/workflow that you can get from working digitally. The input lag is about on par with the 22" cintiqs that I've used, and the cursor parallax is probably the best out of any tablet monitor I've used with the exception being that if you get really close to the edges it drifts away a bit more (the better you are at staying in one posture while you draw the less it'll be noticeable).

It takes a bit of noodling to get the brightness/contrast on the screen to look right but other than that I like the screen surface more than the wacoms because I hate the textured stuff they use (it also came with a screen protector that I wanted to use, but you can probably imagine that trying to get a 22" screen protector on without any bubbles was a nightmare and I gave up and threw it away). I bought the bundle with the mounting arm that appears to just be a silver rebranded Ergotron XL, and it works perfectly and is a hell of a lot more stable than the cheap monoprice arm my other monitor is on.

Xun posted:

Hey so my bamboo fun plug is bent...again. Anyone know if I can just use another micro USB wire or do I need to buy a new tablet completely? This has happened before with a bamboo fun and I'm not very happy about the quality of the plug. At least none of it is stuck in the port this time!!

How old is it? The tablet I just upgraded from is a tiny bamboo fun I've been cramming into backpacks since 2007 and I don't think I've ever had an issue with the cord. It's probably not new enough to get a replacement from Wacom for being defective?

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