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It seems like I was being somewhat needlessly pedantic - I really appreciate how Bleeding Edge is acting as a skeleton key for the way Pynchon normally uses references in his work because I actually understand the ones in Bleeding Edge without a companion book.
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Cloks posted:It seems like I was being somewhat needlessly pedantic - I really appreciate how Bleeding Edge is acting as a skeleton key for the way Pynchon normally uses references in his work because I actually understand the ones in Bleeding Edge without a companion book. References to other works of literature and world history - wow I don't get this References to Final Fantasy and Pokemon - now we're talking
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Mel Mudkiper posted:References to other works of literature and world history - wow I don't get this This is a sick burn but I get what he is saying re: understanding obscure pop culture bullshit from my own time I am living in and not old comics/bands/radio shows from WW2 or the 60's (Gravity's Rainbow and Inherent Vice respectively). It's not so much "world history and literature" as it is the equivalent of cheezy trendy pop culture garbage, but just from an era I don't remember.
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Dragon Ball Z is not garbage.
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Shibawanko posted:Lots of people always come in here saying that they've never read proper literature, and ask what they should read first, and the answer should always just be Coetzee. Anyone can read Disgrace and get something out of it, and it's very straightforward prose. I agree with this sentiment.
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Shibawanko posted:Dragon Ball Z is not garbage. Dragon Ball is much better in terms of having a story that's not just "gotta be the strongest punchman" but probably because the earliest part borrows rather liberally from Journey to the West.
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If anyone gets a break in their gruelling schedule of defending the literary merit of children's cartoons, A Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James is really good.
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Mousepractice posted:If anyone gets a break in their gruelling schedule of defending the literary merit of children's cartoons, A Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James is really good. I'm about halfway through it right now, and agree. I took a break to sneak in some shorter books but the writing is fantastic.
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I was reading Lanark and the shift to duncan thaw was a real boner-killer for me because i greatly enjoy the weird poo poo. Is it worth powering through vis-a-pis enjoying book 4 more or can i skip there directly? Thank u and nice thread everyone
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Been doing a lot of Irish writers recently. Pounded out the new ones by Anne Enright and Paul Lynch Read Black Snow by Paul Lynch if you can. Its David Vann good.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Been doing a lot of Irish writers recently. Did you try Young Skins by Colin Barrett? A collection of interlinked short stories, very quick read. Top stuff.
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last irish book I read was The House of Splendid isolation by Edna O'Brien. It was good if a little predictable and heavy handed at times
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I can only read an Irish book if the author wanted to gently caress the farts out of someone.
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Speaking of Irish Writers, A Girl is a Half-Formed Thing was really good too.
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op I am curious how you define real literature and how I stack up to your sensibilities. If you dont mind, could you judge the realness of the following authors? Kurt Vonnegut Ray Bradbury Isaac Asimov John Williams HP Lovecraft Feel free to answer one or more or none, thank you. Dr. Gene Dango MD fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:op I am curious how you define real literature and how I stack up to your sensibilities. If you dont mind, could you judge the realness of the following authors? yes sometimes no maybe same person no God bless
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What qualifies as real literature op? If complexity of concepts and character motivation are a factor I would think Asimov and Bradbury would rate very high. And I understand a lot of Lovecraft stories boil down to "Guy writing about the time we went down into a scary hole and now he's crazy" but his word placement is beautiful and extremely skillful at times, at least in my opinion. Would you mind again answering the realness of the following authors? Shakespeare George Orwell F Scott Fitzgerald Mario Puzo Orson Scott Card and for fun, John Grisham Dr. Gene Dango MD fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:What qualifies as real literature op? If complexity of concepts and character motivation are a factor I would think Asimov and Bradbury would rate very high. And I understand a lot of Lovecraft stories boil down to "Guy writing about the time we went down into a scary hole and now he's crazy" but his word placement is beautiful and extremely skillful at times, at least in my opinion. Would you mind again answering the realness of the following authors? Yes Yes For the most part Not really No And for fun, no
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I read only one lovecraft story and it was on an airplane and it helped me sleep through turbulence. I'm terrified of turbulence.
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its important that scifi authors like philip k dick and orson scott card be brought up in this thread because there are just so few other places in this forum where scifi gets any respect or can be discussed
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It is important because if you want to be true harold bloom high lit bro you can't accidentally read sff that's not approved by academia..
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:What qualifies as real literature op? If complexity of concepts and character motivation are a factor I would think Asimov and Bradbury would rate very high. And I understand a lot of Lovecraft stories boil down to "Guy writing about the time we went down into a scary hole and now he's crazy" but his word placement is beautiful and extremely skillful at times, at least in my opinion. Would you mind again answering the realness of the following authors? I think writing skill has to be a part of it. I just reread Fahrenheit 451. I felt the book was rather shallow and I wasn't particularly impressed with his actual writing.
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Earwicker posted:its important that scifi authors like philip k dick and orson scott card be brought up in this thread because there are just so few other places in this forum where scifi gets any respect or can be discussed Heh
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mallamp posted:It is important because if you want to be true harold bloom high lit bro you can't accidentally read sff that's not approved by academia.. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Not this loving poo poo again
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Hrm allow me to try a bitch-tier socratic method of attempting to define the values of literature so that I can hopefully get you in a gotcha moment to prove once and for all that Stephen King is high art. - some fucker every few weeks
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Ah, so you say that Literature has an important social value, well have you considered this... *bends over, spreads butt cheeks, makes rear end in a top hat vibrate with a might fart*
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There's nothing in the rulebook that says a dog CAN'T write high literature.
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mallamp posted:It is important because if you want to be true harold bloom high lit bro you can't accidentally read sff that's not approved by academia.. i dont give a poo poo about being a harold bloom high lit bro, and i do enjoy scifi but its nice to have one thread in the book forum where people regularly recommend and discuss good books outside of science fiction or fantasy. which imo is far more useful than debating why genre author X is or is not Literary for the 200th time. defending the reputation of HP Lovecraft or whatever is not something anyone needs to do Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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if anybody's read Doris Lessing's (presumably crazy) SF trilogy, they're welcome to discuss it here though, I guess. bsically, i don't mind some limited discussion of sf books even in this thread (unless it goes out of hand), but not talking about the lack of recognition of sf/f in lit circles, and nitpicking if this or that author should be 'lit' or 'sf/f'. Burning Rain fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Burning Rain posted:if anybody's read Doris Lessing's (presumably crazy) SF trilogy, they're welcome to discuss it here though, I guess. ive read Memoirs of a Survivor which is very good, and I guess could be categorized as scifi or at least speculative fiction. I dont think its part of a trilogy so I guess you are talking about something else. But its an incredible book and quite atmospheric. the book takes place shortly after some global catastrophe (which is never specified) leading to a societal collapse, and it's written from the perspective of an elderly woman who stays in her apartment in a tower block watching the world fall apart out her window on my to-read list right now I have The Good Terrorist which is about squatters and far left radicals in 80's London, I read through a couple chapters in the store and it did suck me in but at this point I am getting a little tired of English class drama and I suspect that will be a big part of the book Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Earwicker posted:ive read Memoirs of a Survivor which is very good, and I guess could be categorized as scifi or at least speculative fiction. I dont think its part of a trilogy so I guess you are talking about something else. But its an incredible book and quite atmospheric No, i meant Canopus in Argos series, which is actually six books as i just found out (with the full title of the first book being Re: Colonised Planet 5, Shikasta. Personal, psychological, historical documents relating to visit by Johor (George Sherban) Emissary (Grade 9) 87th of the Period of the Last Days) But I've only read a bunch of her short stories, which was some powerful stuff, but now i'm basically paralysed with choice cuz her stuff is all quite different, and i'm not sure if i'm interested more in her Zimbabwe, feminist, dystopic or autobiographical writing
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Harold Bloom is himself a non-acadamia approved sci-fi author, but he's no Henry Darger.
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Nanomashoes posted:Harold Bloom is himself a non-acadamia approved sci-fi author, but he's no Henry Darger. Henry Darger is definitely academia approved or at least he was like 20 years ago when i actually interacted with academics
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Earwicker posted:i dont give a poo poo about being a harold bloom high lit bro, and i do enjoy scifi
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WAY TO GO WAMPA!! posted:my favorite thing is every once in a while I'll see that Black Library thread in this forum and think "Oh cool, lemme post about some James Baldwin" lol nope Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed the absolute boom going on with Nigerian Diaspora writers right now?
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Jun 24, 2015 20:26
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dunno but Things Fall Apart is genuinely terrible
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Ras Het posted:dunno but Things Fall Apart is genuinely terrible Actually, it owns. So does Man of the People. I mean, it's not literary pyrotechnics, but both are v good novels with immense influence.
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Ras Het posted:dunno but Things Fall Apart is genuinely terrible It's pretty good m8
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