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rscott posted:What are the chances that Bernie gets what he wants and the Democrats start debates this summer? There are two debates scheduled for "August/September"; summer ends September 23rd. All other things being equal, that's an 87% chance.
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neonnoodle posted:This is already happening at the grass roots. Look at the strategy guide that Reason used in its early days. The business-right doesn't care where its supporters come from or how they feel about the gays, as long as they ultimately work to undermine government regulations. That Reason article is loving awful but it's also totally accurate. The Republicans would easily sweep this election if they found a candidate who was popular with both socially progressive Millennial libertarians and authoritarian Boomers. In theory, there's plenty of overlap: racism/sexism, regressive economic policies, gun rights. But it's impossible to appease both groups simultaneously on core issues like drug legalization, gay rights, church and state, etc. The best they've done is Paul Ryan, and look how that turned out .
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Bobby Jindal released a hidden camera video of him talking to his kids about his announcement on his Facebook page. "If you behave you can go back to Iowa with me..." 
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Jun 24, 2015 17:50
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The Vermont NEA has endorsed Bernie Sanders for President.
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Indie Rocktopus posted:The best they've done is Paul Ryan, and look how that turned out . Whatever happened with him, anyway? I'm kinda surprised he didn't try to make a run this year.
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Alter Ego posted:They don't have much in Western MA or the Cape, either. Central MA seems to be the only place where there's a large concentration of rear end in a top hat Republicans, and even then they're not Tea Party types so much as establishment, FYGM rich-people types. NH is right there to absorb all the crazies, and plenty of the FYGM types as well.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:16
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Joementum posted:The Vermont NEA has endorsed Bernie Sanders for President. wrap it up, Hillaryailures
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Jun 24, 2015 18:18
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Can't you argue that as a couple more decades pass and the 'inevitable' social issues of today (drug war, gay marriage, abortion) become effectively settled and mainstream, that it will be harder for the Democrats to win election as it is much easier to dupe an uninformed public about stuff like regressive economic policy, unions, or police violence than it is about about something as black and white as whether or not you're allowed to smoke weed?
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Jun 24, 2015 18:21
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MrChupon posted:Can't you argue that as a couple more decades pass and the 'inevitable' social issues of today (drug war, gay marriage, abortion) become effectively settled and mainstream, that it will be harder for the Democrats to win election as it is much easier to dupe an uninformed public about stuff like regressive economic policy, unions, or police violence than it is about about something as black and white as whether or not you're allowed to smoke weed? Yes. This is probably what will happen. The hope for Democrats is that people are alienated enough from the Republicans when they become politically aware that they develop partisan attachments and aren't willing to hear out the Republicans on how eliminating the capital gains tax is great for gays.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:26
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I like how in most of Bobby Jindal's secret family cam: 1. His kids are unethuiastic about his running, and especially about going to Iowa 2. He's framed so he's partially hidden by a tree 3. His grass is green (but I'm in drought-stricken southern CA, so I notice this everywhere).
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MrChupon posted:Can't you argue that as a couple more decades pass and the 'inevitable' social issues of today (drug war, gay marriage, abortion) become effectively settled and mainstream, that it will be harder for the Democrats to win election as it is much easier to dupe an uninformed public about stuff like regressive economic policy, unions, or police violence than it is about about something as black and white as whether or not you're allowed to smoke weed? Democrats win elections because their opposition is a white supremacist party and the country is not overwhelmingly white. To change that dynamic will probably mark the end of the Republican party as a whole, and the emergence of a totally new party.
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Bicyclops posted:This is one of those things where you get the joke and it's probably enough after about 30 seconds, but you're glad the whole thing is there. Be sure to watch the end. Dancer posted:Hey so you used the .gifs which is great, but it occurs to me that this wonderful CNN made... thing is not in the OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6AlQiWatD4 Maybe the best thing CNN has done in years.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Whatever happened with him, anyway? I'm kinda surprised he didn't try to make a run this year. But, you see, he's a wonk so explaining the rationale is beyond us...
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i really need scott walker emerging from a hole on a ladder in gif form
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turevidar posted:NH is right there to absorb all the crazies, and plenty of the FYGM types as well. Oh, that reminds me--there was one other good thing that happened on Election Night 2014. Scott Brown ate poo poo for a second time and then dropped off the face of the earth. Truly a victory for us all.
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mooyashi posted:i really need scott walker emerging from a hole on a ladder in gif form Have you seen the OP of this thread?
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it's been a while, thanks
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computer parts posted:Democrats win elections because their opposition is a white supremacist party How about that white supremacist senator we elected from the deeply racist state of south carolina. Oh wait it was a black dude.
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Not sure what was more awkward, that Jindal campaign announcement video or his SOTU response speech in a hallway next to a staircase.
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How about all those non-white candidates the Democrats are fielding this year. Man it sucks being this white supremacist.
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Nothing says presidential like "secretly" filming your disinterested children while you hide from the camera behind a tree.
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computer parts posted:Democrats win elections because their opposition is a white supremacist party and the country is not overwhelmingly white. To change that dynamic will probably mark the end of the Republican party as a whole, and the emergence of a totally new party. The demographic shifts in this country--the fact that less of the electorate is white and more of it is black/Hispanic--is what will kill them, at least every Presidential cycle. We saw what happened when the percentage of the white vote dropped something like 2-3%--it essentially was the difference between Obama and Romney in 2012. If the Republican Party was smart, it would realize that its base is getting whiter, the country is not, and perhaps they shouldn't allow people like Steve "Mexicans With Ankles Like Cantaloupes" King to dictate immigration policy. But they won't do that, because to do so would require introspection on their part. So now I wonder--what happens in 2016 when the white vote is even less of the the overall totals? Or, god forbid, some of those white Appalachian Democrats who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Obama suddenly find themselves with no qualms pulling the lever for Hillary Clinton (or Bernie Sanders  )?TheDisreputableDog posted:How about that white supremacist senator we elected from the deeply racist state of south carolina. You really don't understand the concept of "tokenism", do you? Just because the GOP found a few black guys willing to carry water for them doesn't make them not racist. Oh by the way Tim Scott is a complete blood-gargling psychopath in the style of Ben Carson; just because he's black doesn't make him not a reprehensible human being. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Jun 24, 2015 18:48
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It would have been better "I am running for president...just kidding we are getting divorced"
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computer parts posted:Democrats win elections because their opposition is a white supremacist party and the country is not overwhelmingly white. To change that dynamic will probably mark the end of the Republican party as a whole, and the emergence of a totally new party. Yes, but as we're seeing this week with all of the confederate flag hoopla, they are only white supremacist as far as it will serve their (corporate) ends. I'm sort of terrified for the day when all of those people die out, and the new, friendlier Republican party starts (continues?) gutting progressive social and economic advancements of the 20th century in the name of money, but they aren't obviously prude/evil enough for people to get up from their bread-and-circuses Idiocracy chairs and go vote against.
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MrChupon posted:
Protip: they're not going to be able to do this unless they make significant inroads to minority groups. This is going to be hard as minoritiy groups are disproportionately poor.
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computer parts posted:Protip: they're not going to be able to do this unless they make significant inroads to minority groups. As long as the current infrastructure that condones racism is in place, it won't happen. Doesn't matter if the ethnic group is actually kind of socially conservative (like a lot of Hispanics), calling them all illegals and telling them to go back to Mexico, which appears to be the Republican Party platform, is not going to get them to vote for you.
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rscott posted:What are the chances that Bernie gets what he wants and the Democrats start debates this summer? Unless the DEC changes the schedule, 99.9999% (there are two scheduled already aren't there?) Snark aside, the chances of having more debates, or debates that include debates against Republican candidates, are about as good as Bernie's chances of winning the nomination (i.e. "unlikely" is a kind way to put it). TheDisreputableDog posted:How about that white supremacist senator we elected from the deeply racist state of south carolina.
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Alter Ego posted:So now I wonder--what happens in 2016 when the white vote is even less of the the overall totals? Or, god forbid, some of those white Appalachian Democrats who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Obama suddenly find themselves with no qualms pulling the lever for Hillary Clinton (or Bernie Sanders So your plan to overcome the enthusiasm gap left by the fact that the Obama coalition is broken is to count on your racist elements. "Well, she *did* start the birther movement, I guess she can't be all bad...." quote:You really don't understand the concept of "tokenism", do you? Just because the GOP found a few black guys willing to carry water for them doesn't make them not racist. The fact is that Republicans elected at the national level are getting more diverse. To be fair, still not as diverse as Democrats, but it's a real thing, not tokenism - you can look at the historic firsts the midterms brought.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So your plan to overcome the enthusiasm gap left by the fact that the Obama coalition is broken is to count on your racist elements. "Well, she *did* start the birther movement, I guess she can't be all bad...." Nice strawman. Where did I say I "counted" on it? I said it could be a factor, mostly because it actually might be, even if it's in places where it won't make much difference electoral votes-wise, like West Virginia, Kentucky, and Arkansas. Joementum posted:Welp. The Democratic debates are going to be fun. whyjimwebbwontbepresident.jpg Seriously, it's the easiest thing in the world to respond to, and he hosed it up.
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Joementum posted:Welp. The Democratic debates are going to be fun. I can't wait for the "This guy is obviously a false flag so Hillary can avoid the tough economic questions" conspiracy theories.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:The fact is that Republicans elected at the national level are getting more diverse. To be fair, still not as diverse as Democrats, but it's a real thing, not tokenism - you can look at the historic firsts the midterms brought. Well, sure--but that doesn't address the claim that Americans can look at the facts in front of them and see that the GOP is a party that at best tacitly benefits from the racist vote, and supports policies that harm Americans because of that.
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Joementum posted:Welp. The Democratic debates are going to be fun. Jim Webb is an actual piece of poo poo and is trying so, so hard to appeal to Reagan Democrats©
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 Another one for the logo pile Pretty lazy, I give it 2 Obama-O-s out of 5 
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Jun 24, 2015 19:12
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mdemone posted:If HRC doesn't tap Julian Castro I'll be so mad. I want this just so we can hear idiot conservatives panicking "His last name is Castro! Like FIDEL CASTRO! He's obviously a communist." Because conservatives haven't done enough to alienate Hispanic Americans.
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But our own candidate will either actually be or be married to a Hispanic American.
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The Berniest Bernie Sanders Video Ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4l_MhBkN0w
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Just as a way to pass the time, I enjoy reading conservative news sites being pissy: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/06/23/after-shaming-trump-neil-young-allows-bernie-sanders-to-use-campaign-song/
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