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JosephWongKS posted:If the story turns out to be about Eliezarry battling with the dark side of his personality and struggling to become a better person, I think I may actually like it, even if Eliezarry reverts to being a pompous prat from time to time. One of the many elements of the great bait-and-switch that is HPMOR, where early on it goes through seeming like several potential good stories, admittedly with their own sets of flaws, before it turns into an entirely different story with much more bizarre flaws.
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Tiggum posted:He's not concerned for himself though, he's worried for some reason that a cheap novelty item sold openly in public might actually have the power to fundamentally alter reality in catastrophic ways in order to cause surprising events to happen. In this case, he believes that by drinking the comed-tea he made Dumbledore insane, that if he hadn't drank it then Dumbledore's speech would have been completely unremarkable. So he's worried he made Dumbledore insane by consuming said cheap novelty item after a sample size of one. And after everyone present agreed that Dumbledore's speech was entirely unsurprising. And after avowing to himself that 'he was going to test it experimentally', he declines to test it again at the next opportunity? Clearly an inquisitive scientific mind, uniquely suited to  Moving on to something worth talking about, John Stapp was an amazing human being and should be remembered for his pioneering work on developing safe harnesses and ejection seats. And formulating the wording of Murphy's law we know so well. And for strapping himself on a rocket sled going over 600mph in the name of science. A great writeup here: http://www.ejectionsite.com/stapp.htm. Now with fixed hyperlink! Best quote: quote:When after many months the results of all Stapp's work was presented to the Aero Med Lab brass, they were horrified. Surprisingly, the words "court martial" were never mentioned, perhaps because Stapp had shown such courage. His initiative however was another matter entirely. To reign him in, Stapp was promoted to the rank of major, reminded of the 18 G limit of human survivability, and told to discontinue tests above that level. And he was told in no uncertain terms that human tests had to end. Chimpanzees, his superiors advised, would be acceptable substitutes. Stapp then proceeded to build a bigger and better rocket sled and strap himself into it. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 01:28 on May 16, 2015 |
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If it helps, what he wanted to do isn't an experiment since there were absolutely no controls. Taking a step back and taking another approach is the wisest thing to do here. Not that that what he's going to do either.
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Hey i81icu812, the full stop you put on the end of the link messes it up. You might want to edit that as it's going to catch out people who don't notice the extraneous '.'
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Chapter 12: Impulse Control Part 7 quote:
Eliezarry sudden transition from a Master of Science and Rationality / Future Dark Lord into a “normal” child that defers to authority and gets homesick is rather disconcerting. Is this part of the magic of Hogwarts too? quote:
A pretty unobjectionable chapter, all told.
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In 88 days we've gone through 12 chapters out of 122 total chapters. At this rate we can look forward to completion on Oct 30, 2017.
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i81icu812 posted:In 88 days we've gone through 12 chapters out of 122 total chapters. At this rate we can look forward to completion on Oct 30, 2017. Still faster than Big Yud wrote the loving thing.
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May 20, 2015 08:14
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If there's one glimmer of hope in the sea of wrong-thinking idiocy, it's that at least Dumbledore being goofy is kinda funny.
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The bit about the third floor is actually good parody, because it makes you rethink the original work. But wasted potential etc.
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Did Big Yud kidnap JWKS and upload his brain into an AI?  While we're waiting, more odd Harry Potter fanfic: http://archiveofourown.org/series/149352 Harry is now Harriet! Because she's a girl, she's able to recruit all kinds of new original characters. They range from good to tokens to silly. Also, this story has a more teenage bent so there's a lot more sex and social issues brought up. Such as the main character's love of Nancy Drew books leading to her being a 14 year old bisexual with a bondage fetish. Granted, this is probably the most steady and respectful depiction of a 13 year old girl with a bondage fetish I've ever seen... please don't arrest me
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Man, if you're going to go with terrible harry potter fic, you should go with another ultra-'intelligent' author-insert character whose thinly veiled egotism and disregard for the rights of others shows him to be - despite his insistence of his personal moral superiority - the true villain.
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Added Space posted:
That fan fiction has nearly as many words as HPMOR (~600,000) and it's only on year 4. At this rate it will be 50% longer than the entire Harry Potter series. Indrazar fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 5, 2015 |
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Chapter 13: Asking the Wrong Questions Part 1 quote:
”Elen sila lumenn omentielvo” is "A star shines on the hour of our meeting" in Middle Earth Elvish. “Lumenn” means “hour”, so “Elen sila J. K. Rowling omentielvo” means “A star shines on the J. K. Rowling of our meeting”, which doesn’t make sense at all. quote:
Why is Eliezarry so sure they like him? For reference, this was Eliezarry’s opinion on his housemates during the dinner after the Sorting ceremony: Are you sure this is the Ravenclaw table? Harry managed not to ask out loud… … Note to self: The 75th percentile of Hogwarts students a.k.a. Ravenclaw House is not the world's most exclusive program for gifted children. After an entire evening in Harry’s company, his housemates must have managed to detect Harry’s contempt for them, and reacted accordingly. quote:
Harrymento!
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Hey guys! Do you love stories where nothing of consequence occurs and the protagonist learns no lessons from his misdaventures!? Then whoah nelly have we got something for you!
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SSNeoman posted:Hey guys! Do you love stories where nothing of consequence occurs and the protagonist learns no lessons from his misdaventures!? hpmor.txt
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When I was first introduced to this... thing, I enjoyed it for what I thought it was, a parody that poked fun at genre tropes and didn't at all take itself seriously. This was when it was about 30-40% finished. As time went on and he kept posting more chapters, my perception of it slowly transformed until the point of me hatereading through the end just because I wanted to finish what I started and see if the payoff was at all worth all the lovely build up. It wasn't. The thing is, I've read a lot of mediocre to lovely fanfiction, and I hate this even worse than those. A lot of the poo poo is unabashedly proud of itself for what it is, and the author isn't afraid to just vomit garbage onto the internet and reap the rewards of a legion of preteen wankers who enjoy the stuff. Yud is a different story though, he takes himself super seriously and thinks his poo poo is a work of scientific masterpiece, and has whipped up a fanbase of frenzied lunatics who worship the ground he walks on. It's completely baffling that it's been as successful as it is, but here we are. And the fact that it's terrible even for fanfiction is just ridiculous. Out of the probably thousands of pieces of fanfiction I've forced myself to read over the past decade, there is only a single one that actually stands on its own merits as a story, and that's more because it's not really fanfiction at all and is instead a completely original story where some of the protagonists share names with anime lesbians but bear no actual resemblance to said characters or setting or plot. Basically gently caress fanfiction, and gently caress myself for still reading it sometimes.
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The Shortest Path posted:When I was first introduced to this... thing, I enjoyed it for what I thought it was, a parody that poked fun at genre tropes and didn't at all take itself seriously. This was when it was about 30-40% finished. As time went on and he kept posting more chapters, my perception of it slowly transformed until the point of me hatereading through the end just because I wanted to finish what I started and see if the payoff was at all worth all the lovely build up. It wasn't. I think that's the same process most people go through when reading this piece of poo poo. I went into it expecting the same thing and just stopped reading at some point because it had finally gone too far up its own rear end for me.
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The Shortest Path posted:And the fact that it's terrible even for fanfiction is just ridiculous. Out of the probably thousands of pieces of fanfiction I've forced myself to read over the past decade, there is only a single one that actually stands on its own merits as a story, and that's more because it's not really fanfiction at all and is instead a completely original story where some of the protagonists share names with anime lesbians but bear no actual resemblance to said characters or setting or plot. Allow me to show sympathy for doing the terrible task of occasionally reading something you don't want to read. Fanfiction addiction is a serious problem affecting tens of people throughout the world! 
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You laugh but there do seem to be a bunch of people who obsessively read lousy fanfiction just because it's there. I'm not sure if it's the price point being low or the fact that it's more of their Favorite Thing, but that's a story for another day really.
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Zonekeeper posted:I think that's the same process most people go through when reading this piece of poo poo. I went into it expecting the same thing and just stopped reading at some point because it had finally gone too far up its own rear end for me. lol it basically reads like a kid fantasy story except instead of 8-16 year old children like normal harry potter the kid in question is 30 and thinks of himself as super-smart and manipulative when in fact he just comes across as a massive douche to everyone around him.
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Nessus posted:You laugh but there do seem to be a bunch of people who obsessively read lousy fanfiction just because it's there. I'm not sure if it's the price point being low or the fact that it's more of their Favorite Thing, but that's a story for another day really. HPMOR is pretty high on the quality scale for fanfic, though that's saying so little you wouldn't need to move your lips. I started reading EY's loving thing and I was determined I would finish it and find out what happened dammit (which is similar to how I approached the original HP books 5-7). And let me be another to assure everyone who hasn't finished HPMOR that the payoff is not worth it and the story should have been a third of the length at most to achieve adequacy. I read nearly no fiction but fanfic and revel in the trashiness and that it's about my Favourite Thing (Worm in my case) even if it's mostly terrible writing with awesome-in-context you-had-to-be-there moments if you're a bit too into a given set of characters. But I can tell it's actually trash and I wouldn't recommend a word of it to anyone expecting them to give a poo poo. I mean, I have trouble honestly recommending the source material in good faith ("It's a 1.7 million word novel about, uh, superheroes, with pretty bad pacing, but it rocks, honest"). poo poo, I'll even admit I was turned onto Worm by EY's HPMOR author note. But some people have a bit much of what Yvain LessWrong has neologised as Typical Mind Fallacy and seriously don't understand that just because something pushes all their nerd buttons doesn't automatically make it good for any other loving person. Instead, they get the opposite reaction: that this almost (but not quite) compellingly defective bloated sprawling monstrosity of a didactic Mary Sue epic is seriously what great literature actually is and the muggles must be educated as to its incandescent brilliance. Expressly encouraged by the author and his performing circus ego. EY and his acolytes sincerely believe this is a Hugo-quality novel. Seriously. In fact, EY has suggested to his fans that they spam the Hugo nominations for 2016, because organising a slate to shill the Hugos definitely made a lot of friends for other people in 2015 and is the best possible thing you could do to make yourself famous as a decent person with ethics and not a stupendous loving cockhead. The Shortest Path posted:Basically gently caress fanfiction, and gently caress myself for still reading it sometimes. This of course is also true. divabot fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jun 23, 2015 |
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Well, a Hugo-quality anything is an accolade that's getting redefined this year. Yud wouldn't be out of place there. Shutting up now, okay. edit: One rather weird thing about his Hugo appeal, though - he wants to get into contact with either Rowling or Daniel Radcliffe - what the hell has the actor have to do with book rights? ...Unless there's going to be a movie version. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 23, 2015 |
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anilEhilated posted:edit: One rather weird thing about his Hugo appeal, though - he wants to get into contact with either Rowling or Daniel Radcliffe - what the hell has the actor have to do with book rights? Nobody loving knows. This is a question that has been asked repeatedly. But apparently EY knows someone whose hairdresser knows someone whose dealer thought about loving someone who once threw up on the steps of the theatre Radcliffe was working in the previous night, so it's ALL GOOD and PLANS ARE IN MOTION OH YES THEY ARE.
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divabot posted:Nobody loving knows. This is a question that has been asked repeatedly. But apparently EY knows someone whose hairdresser knows someone whose dealer thought about loving someone who once threw up on the steps of the theatre Radcliffe was working in the previous night, so it's ALL GOOD and PLANS ARE IN MOTION OH YES THEY ARE. Also in that note, a link to his facebook explaining why his brilliance makes him suited to be an angel investor and therefore people should give him 5 figures to invest on their behalf. He promises 20% returns!
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i81icu812 posted:Also in that note, a link to his facebook explaining why his brilliance makes him suited to be an angel investor and therefore people should give him 5 figures to invest on their behalf. He promises 20% returns! Well, it is true that the dude's track record of successful completion of projects speaks for itself. Just ask his fans! ("A recurring theme here seems to be 'grandiose plans, left unfinished'.") edit: Just read that FB post. That's loving inane. "Google could not have become Google if the same people were executing on the idea from Pets.com." NO BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE PIVOTED TO AN ACTUALLY GOOD IDEA, THAT'S PART OF HOW THIS WORKS. Jesus gently caress. This guy seriously thinks he can outdo the likes of Paul Graham or Marc Andreesen. Who may be pricks, but have that thing called "an extensive track record of success at investment." This is a rambling justification for being an Ideas Man with an extensive track record of not executing. edit 2: This is getting off-topic. To get back on-topic: to his credit, he did in fact finish HPMOR. And in the field of rambling bloated plot-deficient fanfics, this is genuinely an achievement. Even if the ending was crappy. So FULL MARKS and FF.NET GOLD to EY, and may he go on to finish some other plan one day hopefully. divabot fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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A Hugo nomination, sure why not. Next years Hugo nominations are going to be a Train wreck already. One more Engine slamming into the carnage isn't going to make things significantly worse.
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Oh boy, HPMOR. When I first read this, I had never heard of Eliezer Yudkowski, nor any of his ideas. I thought he was just some random fanfic writer. As a result, I went into it thinking the author had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek, and that it was going to be a parodic, snarky romp through Hogwarts poking well-meaning fun at some of the more inconsistent elements of the Harry Potter canon. It seemed to fit the bill at first... Harry's silly triple-barreled last name had to be a joke, right? He rambles on like a... well, not a scientist, real scientists usually don't talk like that... like a parody of a scientist, an alien and detached genius bent on lecturing everyone, like some magical bowl-cut Mr. Peabody. The prose staggered a bit, but it was above average for fan fiction, so hey, what's the worst that could happen? Now, since I didn't know anything about Yudkowski, the self-insertion and rampant proselytizing didn't register at all, but the increasingly shaky science sure did. You could tell the author wanted to write Gödel, Escher, Potter without being nearly up to the task. But, okay, I'll keep reading. It's not like I got anything better to do on my breaks. Oh boy, it gets weird. There are easily three or four thematically different plot ideas in this thing that could each be reasonably done by someone with a lesser ego and greater writing talent. As it stands, the story seems to try to do them all, and just lurches back and forth and getting increasingly weirder before settling on possibly the strangest of the lot. I would suspect Yudkowski of not really knowing where his story was going at first, and him just writing chapters on whatever took his fancy at the time, but his own words seem to contradict that. Either way, when I stopped reading it (chapter 90-95 somewhere?) the story was nothing like what we've seen in this thread so far... Now that I do know about Yudkowski and his antics, upon re-reading it, it strikes me very differently from how it did back then, and not in a good way. The is way more gratuitous and there's this really uncomfortable atmosphere surrounding the whole drat thing now.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I would suspect Yudkowski of not really knowing where his story was going at first, and him just writing chapters on whatever took his fancy at the time, but his own words seem to contradict that.
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anilEhilated posted:Yeah, easily the best part of the retrospective posted a bit above was Yud's "note to self: foreshadow less" bit. I guess he was aiming for an even less coherent plot? Hahahahaahahaha. It's actually the preceding authors note. Oh boy, but it is ever a dozy. quote:HPMOR initially went fast, with 365,000 words in 9 months while I was working on other things. My writing then slowed down enormously after Ch. 63. Looking back, I think I made the following mistakes:
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Does Yud actually do any significant foreshadowing? Or does he just think what he's doing will be foreshadowing and then never goes through on it?
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Pavlov posted:Does Yud actually do any significant foreshadowing? Or does he just think what he's doing will be foreshadowing and then never goes through on it? Kinda? There is some stuff in the chapters we've seen here that could, in retrospect, be construed as foreshadowing specific events that occur much later, like chapters 100+. By that point the story has gone off the rails, though, so it's practically impossible to predict future plot twists based on any of it.
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Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:In retrospect, I think the timed updates were good for those readers, but really really bad for my hedonics. HE CAN'T EVEN SAY "ENJOYMENT", HE HAS TO INVENT A NEW loving WORD FOR IT.
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I think Harry being a copy of Voldemorte's consciousness is heavily foreshadowed, it's just done ineptly and so comes across as bad writing
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divabot posted:HE CAN'T EVEN SAY "ENJOYMENT", HE HAS TO INVENT A NEW loving WORD FOR IT. Oh, it's worse than that, it's a misappropriated term from psychology. Man I wish we still had a LessWrong mock thread, I would be all over writing an effortpost about Big Yud's opinions on loving hedonics.
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SolTerrasa posted:Oh, it's worse than that, it's a misappropriated term from psychology. Man I wish we still had a LessWrong mock thread, I would be all over writing an effortpost about Big Yud's opinions on loving hedonics. Ahem, the proper term is "Utilitarian-American Vernacular English" you disgusting racists
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So is this basically The Room of literature? That is, you think it's a parody but it's actually an egotistical shitfest?
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thehomemaster posted:So is this basically The Room of literature? I just read The Disaster Artist, actually. Fantastic book, I recommend it to all of you; everyone's dealt with a fucker like this. Apparently Wiseau did another thing. I shudder to contemplate. thehomemaster posted:That is, you think it's a parody but it's actually an egotistical shitfest? It is an egotistical shitfest, but not that much more than any other epic-length rambling fanfic. (As I said, I read that stuff by the megaword.) The extra it brings to the table is: 1. It's explicitly intended to be didactic. 2. It manages to get its own didacticism wrong (per the su3su2u1 effort-Tumblr on the subject). 3. It was actually better when it tried to be didacticism - it was widely touted as "science applied to magic" and those bits were fun - but somewhere around twenty chapters in EY decided he liked the sound of his own voice even more than he already did, and suddenly it's about an Ender's Game rewrite, power negotiations, digressions that are literally the length of a normal novel, everything except science applied to magic. divabot fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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divabot posted:I just read The Disaster Artist, actually. Fantastic book, I recommend it to all of you; everyone's dealt with a fucker like this. The story of Raphael Smadja and his Giggle Tent is worth the price of admission all on its own, folks. Don't miss it.
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divabot posted:Apparently Wiseau did another thing. I shudder to contemplate. wikipedia posted:*The A.V. Club noted that the production values and acting quality of The *Neighbors were far worse than those of The Room, and noted the unexplained presence of women in bikinis in several scenes. Wiseau responded to the criticism by saying that the women were meant to be symbolic of sexually liberated women.
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SolTerrasa posted:Oh, it's worse than that, it's a misappropriated term from psychology. Man I wish we still had a LessWrong mock thread, I would be all over writing an effortpost about Big Yud's opinions on loving hedonics. If you're feeling that nostalgic we have PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker, though EY gets points for being bright enough to explicitly disclaim these bozos (even though he knows the neoreactionaries socially).
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