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berzerkmonkey posted:Well, for God's sake, don't do a confederate flag now - it's apparently more dangerous than both guns and mental health issues. I didn't put it on there when it wasn't such a hot button issue, and I still wouldn't now. As much as I love that car as an iconic piece of TV history, that flag on top is a problem - and painting it on a mini would just cause problems. Right now it just looks like a generic creamsicle Knight. It will probably get fresh paint in another scheme altogether.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:I didn't put it on there when it wasn't such a hot button issue, and I still wouldn't now. As much as I love that car as an iconic piece of TV history, that flag on top is a problem - and painting it on a mini would just cause problems. Right now it just looks like a generic creamsicle Knight. It will probably get fresh paint in another scheme altogether. Got any pictures of it?
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Tuxedo Jack posted:I didn't put it on there when it wasn't such a hot button issue, and I still wouldn't now. As much as I love that car as an iconic piece of TV history, that flag on top is a problem - and painting it on a mini would just cause problems. Right now it just looks like a generic creamsicle Knight. It will probably get fresh paint in another scheme altogether. Interestingly enough the Confederate Flag is like a BIG thing in the UK Historical Miniatures scene. I saw a LOT of it around the tables at Salute.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Got any pictures of it? So, this was my first airbrushed model, and I got a little fast and loose with the washes - which is why it's never seen the table. I was just not happy with how it came out. Don't judge me too harshly. My painting has improved tenfold over the last year, and I think I can do the model (and whatever theme I end up on for it's new paintjob) a lot more justice now than I could then. I incorporated the red and blue of the battle flag on the weapons.   A month or two later, I would airbrush and wash my Warhound Titan, which came out much better. Learning and improving every day...  Ghost Hand posted:Interestingly enough the Confederate Flag is like a BIG thing in the UK Historical Miniatures scene. I saw a LOT of it around the tables at Salute. I think if I was into historicals, and was putting a Confederate force on the table, I would feel a lot more comfortable about painting it. But on a cartoony Knight Titan - it just feels like bad taste.
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Maybe because the Confederates were allied with England? Parliament had the bright idea of supporting the worse equipped side since if the South had won the states would be in a much weaker position.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:I didn't put it on there when it wasn't such a hot button issue, and I still wouldn't now. As much as I love that car as an iconic piece of TV history, that flag on top is a problem - and painting it on a mini would just cause problems. Right now it just looks like a generic creamsicle Knight. It will probably get fresh paint in another scheme altogether. Use the geometry of the flag but use imperial symbols instead.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Maybe because the Confederates were allied with England? Parliament had the bright idea of supporting the worse equipped side side if the South had has the states would be in a much weaker position. Annoying the upstart cousin is a tried and true diplomatic tool.
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LingcodKilla posted:Use the geometry of the flag but use imperial symbols instead. I say this having seen the Confederate flag co-opted as a Canadian symbol of all things. Little, white maple leaves in place of the stars.  Calgary is the worst.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Maybe because the Confederates were allied with England? Er, what. Britain remained neutral in the war and continued trading the entire time with both parties (their trade with the Union was far greater than with the Confederacy.. why buy cotton from slaveowners in the American South when you have all of India growing your cotton for you?) British private interests did sell a couple warships to the Confederacy though, but the CSA's attempts to secure anything more than that from the British government were pretty much a failure.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:07
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Why is the confederate flag bad??? Explain to a limey plz
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Here's the Mystery Machine in the lightbox real quick, for comparison in quality. Clicks for huge.    Next to each other, the MM and General Lee look like they were painted by different people, and don't really fit together. That's why the Lee needs to be redone.
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I think if you painted any flag that's predominately red with blue and white accents it would get the General Lee look across.Moola posted:Why is the confederate flag bad??? Racist dude executed 9 people in a church because of white pride. MasterSlowPoke fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Drake_263 posted:I've gotten the picture that most Legion units aren't quite as customizable as 40K Marine squads, so the 'identical version' clause shouldn't be quite as much of a hindrance as it sounds like. Also perfect for loving around with a player who you know loves a certain kind of a unit. The opposite is actually true. You tend to have more options, it's just that they are all very specialized. Tactical squads only have bolters, for example. Ghost Hand posted:Interestingly enough the Confederate Flag is like a BIG thing in the UK Historical Miniatures scene. I saw a LOT of it around the tables at Salute. It makes a lot of sense, actually. Things like that loose meaning across distance and culture. It's like playing playing a cool german themed army in Russia. People do it, but it can upset people because so many people died in that war. Contrast that to here where its no big deal because the war isn’t remembered in the same way.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:I think if you painted any flag that's predominately red with blue and white accents it would get the General Lee look across. ohhhhhhhhhh
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Moola posted:Why is the confederate flag bad??? Read this tl;dr The "rebel flag" is a racist symbol for racists Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Jun 24, 2015 18:26
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As someone in D&D suggested, you should paint a union jack and rename it the General Sherman.
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Safety Factor posted:I think it'd honestly just be best if the flag is avoided entirely. Sure, putting little skulls or aquilas in place of the stars might sound cute, but it's still awful. Just use the actual Confederate flag. Thanks to typical American knowledge no one will recognize it and you could put on General Lee colors so the 1% will get a chuckle out of it. @Moolah a lot of Americans in the south have mixed views about the Civil War (not sure it's English name). The flag shows up a lot in the hands of rough (often white) characters and a lot of Americans are really derogatory towards rednecks, so it sort of feeds on itself. Between southerners who want a symbol of their past and other Americans who love pointing it out and mocking it the whole thing gets all kinds of weird emotional attachments snarled around it.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Read this Fascinating, thank you
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Doctor Borris posted:Just use the actual Confederate flag. Thanks to typical American knowledge no one will recognize it and you could put on General Lee colors so the 1% will get a chuckle out of it. Some (white) southerners have "mixed views" because they lost the war and carry over the resentment of not being able to keep people as property. The flag's the symbol of a movement that (for the most part) was dedicated to preserving slavery. Southerners can identify with mint juleps and white linen suits and cotillion, if they want a link to their past. Identifying with the Confederate Flag as a symbol of your heritage is kind of like identifying with a klan hood "because grandpa owned it." In a historical context or environment, like a re-enactment or a wargame, I can see its value (just like a flag with a swastika) but not as a "proud symbol of your past." [/derail]
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Heres an idea dont put any real world flags on your 40k minis because it never looks NOT stupid as gently caress
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Moola posted:Heres an idea 99% agreed. (The other 1% is reserved for Tuxedo Jack's General Lee knight.)
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Maybe a pair of blue and red stripes down the middle of the model, with white line borders?
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Moola posted:Heres an idea Moolah as always you say such wisdom in just a sentence. I am in awe.
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Moola posted:Heres an idea For serious, even my obviously-Red-Army Valhallans don't use straight up hammers and sickles everywhere. Big red stars, sure thing, since that's reminiscent, but I don't go pretending they're historicals. As close as I'd get for the Confederate flag is maybe the red and blue fields and with a big white Aquila in the middle of it, since that's probably general enough without getting into borderline offensive territory.
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Don't forget a banner underneath that says: "Haec Colores Non Fugiunt"
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No make it say "RaHoWa".
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Look at all these WRONG opinions. God's own flag belongs on every space marine:  
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Tuxedo Jack posted:I think if I was into historicals, and was putting a Confederate force on the table, I would feel a lot more comfortable about painting it. But on a cartoony Knight Titan - it just feels like bad taste. I concur. I was just pointing out that it seems that there is a strange fascination with that period of American History in the UK historical gamers scene.
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Leaked images of all the "crunch" pages from the new Dark Angels codex, courtesy of 4chan: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1629017533980465.1073741848.1527542590794627&type=3
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SRM posted:As close as I'd get for the Confederate flag is maybe the red and blue fields and with a big white Aquila in the middle of it, since that's probably general enough without getting into borderline offensive territory. This is the way to play it. Maybe even just to the hatch on top in this red and blue scheme, without the stars, and leave it at that. People will get it, nobody will think you're racist, Scooby Doo and the Mystery Machine rocks btw.
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BULBASAUR posted:Look at all these WRONG opinions. God's own flag belongs on every space marine: Adeptus Libertas
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BULBASAUR posted:Look at all these WRONG opinions. God's own flag belongs on every space marine: 
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BULBASAUR posted:Look at all these WRONG opinions. God's own flag belongs on every space marine: http://youtu.be/4VXUDlcr0qI
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Reynold posted:This is the way to play it. Maybe even just to the hatch on top in this red and blue scheme, without the stars, and leave it at that. People will get it, nobody will think you're racist, Scooby Doo and the Mystery Machine rocks btw. At one point I had considered inverting the flag and dropping the stars, and just having that blue and red design over the hatch on top... But even then, in its limited ambiguous reference, I felt bad about it and couldn't bring the brush to the hatch. When I repaint it, I think I will lighten up the red and blue on the weapons, and make one of the shoulderpads half red and half blue with the white aquila on it. That diffuses the shape altogether and only keeps the colors, which I think is the only way to tastefully represent the car without referencing the battle flag.
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Broken Record Talk posted:Leaked images of all the "crunch" pages from the new Dark Angels codex, courtesy of 4chan: still lol that you can't take black knights or ravenwing command in a Lion's Blade Strike Force
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:still lol that you can't take black knights or ravenwing command in a Lion's Blade Strike Force
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Safety Factor posted:I think that they were left out as a legitimate attempt at balance. BS4 twin-linked plasma overwatch would make them unstoppable. Would it be like having d3 auto hitting D weapons on overwatch?
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Doctor Borris posted:Would it be like having d3 auto hitting D weapons on overwatch? D weapons that cannot cause Instant Death.
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Broken Record Talk posted:D weapons that cannot cause Instant Death. But still do 1+d3 wounds ignoring everything but invulnerable most of the time because you know, balance.
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I've got no use for these. Anyone want em? 
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