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MourningView posted:There were like maybe 2 teams who would have actually taken him there, and even that is probably overestimating it. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=nbamockdraft/070627   (just kidding with you.)
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I remember Minny desperately trying to unload the No. 2 pick because Derrick Williams sat in this weird spot where he was the clear consensus guy that everybody also hated. A really good capper to that Beasley, Thabeet, Turner run
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Jun 24, 2015 17:59
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euphronius posted:They wouldn't trade just #3 for Marcus Smart, Kelly Olynyk, and No. 16. Forget Nerlens. If by interesting, you mean a slightly different garbage fire.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:39
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R.D. Mangles posted:No prospect will ever have a better hype video than Jan Vesely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIqSWudJUVM EvanTH posted:Man I might miss the draft dangit East coast bias. Draft at 4:00? How can I organize a draft party to watch whatever happens after the lottery?
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Jun 24, 2015 18:43
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morestuff posted:I remember Minny desperately trying to unload the No. 2 pick because Derrick Williams sat in this weird spot where he was the clear consensus guy that everybody also hated. A really good capper to that Beasley, Thabeet, Turner run I was looking back at the 09 draft thread recently, and its kind of hilarious how many people were defending the Thabeet pick
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Jun 24, 2015 18:46
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I didn't post in 2009 but I probably liked it because I was way into Hasheem Thabeet-DeJuan Blair college battles.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:57
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MourningView posted:Not even really due to bad drafting either. Bibby was pretty decent (in hindsight there are four or five guys from that draft you'd rather have but he was better than the guy who went first!) and the other two they got unlucky with. Francis decided he didn't want to play there and 2000 is the worst draft ever (the best player from it was probably Michael Redd and he didn't go until the 2nd round and had to totally change his game to make it in the pros) Some trivia because I'm bored. Who has the most WS from the 2000 Draft? It's the lowest total WS for the best player from a draft since the 1973 draft when Caldwell Jones (who?) was the best player. Though 1993 comes close. Any guess who had the most WS from that draft?
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Jun 24, 2015 18:59
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The Glumslinger posted:I was looking back at the 09 draft thread recently, and its kind of hilarious how many people were defending the Thabeet pick
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Jun 24, 2015 19:00
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euphronius posted:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=nbamockdraft/070627 And now Joey Dorsey is still in the league, and Oden isn't, and I can definitely picture Joey Dorsey stepping onto a basketball court and saying "I'm destroying the other team tonight."
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Some trivia because I'm bored. I'm assuming either Hedo or maybe Mike Miller because advanced stats loved him for a bit and he's been around a long time. Redd was better than both but didn't play as long.
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Jun 24, 2015 19:29
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MourningView posted:I'm assuming either Hedo or maybe Mike Miller because advanced stats loved him for a bit and he's been around a long time. Redd was better than both but didn't play as long. It's Hedo. Such a bad draft
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Jun 24, 2015 19:41
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Fast Luck posted:He averaged 14/11 and over 4 blocks per game on 32mpg in college, was Big East DPOY two years in a row, and his school went to the F4. Maybe his flaws could be picked up in workouts and stuff but I couldn't tell there was anything wrong with him.
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Jun 24, 2015 20:42
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Please put trigger warnings around Hash**m Thab**t discussion. Thank you.
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Jun 24, 2015 20:45
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Yung Jacques posted:His completely useless offensive game never got better even after three years in college and he was a complete stiff. He was one of the most predictable busts ever.
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Jun 24, 2015 20:49
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Yung Jacques posted:His completely useless offensive game never got better even after three years in college and he was a complete stiff. He was one of the most predictable busts ever.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:If by interesting, you mean a slightly different garbage fire. I mean honestly, if we were talking the 6th pick maybe we are getting somewhere but 16 is just wayyy too far down to be relevant in this trade. I like Smart and all but Kelly is just a bargaining chip. Number 3 is a really good spot this year with all the pressure to take Okafor/Towns in the first two picks; and since we do not currently (pray for Embiid) need a big man it's easy for us to either draft one of the pretty high ceiling points or take a risk with a high ceiling 7 foot phenom. All things considered I won't be mad at any of the three people they predict at the third pick for philly. I just hope we don't reach for Hezonja or anything like that, and that we can trade some 2nd rounders and pick up RJ as well.
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Yung Jacques posted:His completely useless offensive game never got better even after three years in college and he was a complete stiff. He was one of the most predictable busts ever. I thought he was going to be good. I follow college alot more than pro, but every game i saw him play in college, and I admit it wasn't many, but he completely dominated. Blocked shots and dunks all the time is all I remember. He was just so big... which I guess gets canceled out in the NBA.
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Jun 24, 2015 21:57
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I legit thought Chicago was stupid for taking Rose over Beasley, speaking of dominating in college.
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Jun 24, 2015 22:00
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Thabeet was basically talked about the same way Cauley Stein is being talked about in this draft yet everybody somehow assumed that was worth a #2 pick. It was bewildering.
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Jun 24, 2015 22:08
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Jun 24, 2015 22:10
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I'm trying to think of non centers who move like Stanley Johnson moves. Like a stone man, like a deep sea diver, the only guy that comes easily to mind is Marcus Smart.
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Jun 24, 2015 22:10
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morestuff posted:
Why not give vonleh a chance instead
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kiimo posted:I legit thought Chicago was stupid for taking Rose over Beasley, speaking of dominating in college. I'm pretty sure people here pushing for Rose were heavily in the minority (I was, but only because I was in love with Deron Williams at the time and Rose reminded me of him). Especially people who watched college. Beasley put up one of the best college seasons ever (even better than Durant) and was the presumed number 1 pick pretty much right up until Chicago won the lottery and made it clear they wanted the hometown guy. Yung Jacques posted:Thabeet was basically talked about the same way Cauley Stein is being talked about in this draft Thabeet was bigger but no one was calling him the best athlete in the draft or a guy who could guard wings. There were lots of people who didn't like Thabeet. I thought he was a safe pick with a low ceiling but a really high floor, and apparently even that was overrating him a lot. I thought he got overdrafted a little but I didn't see bust coming. I figured at worst he'd be something like Hibbert is now. MourningView fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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I hope draft night is like a sequel to this year's trade deadline where the majority of teams realized that the status quo wasn't working out for them and make a bunch of crazy rear end moves to mix things up. That was cool & fun.
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Jun 24, 2015 22:19
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Looks like the Spurs might be trying to move up: https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/613761509756391424 I think whoever takes Porzingis is going to regret it.
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Metapod posted:Why not give vonleh a chance instead I assume/hope because of how specific that leak is that teams just after the Hornets want Kaminsky, and Charlotte is trying to drive up the price on their pick
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Jun 24, 2015 22:34
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MourningView posted:There were lots of people who didn't like Thabeet. I thought he was a safe pick with a low ceiling but a really high floor, and apparently even that was overrating him a lot. I thought he got overdrafted a little but I didn't see bust coming. I figured at worst he'd be something like Hibbert is now. Yeah I didn't really like Thabeet. But 2009 was supposed to be a pretty weak draft class after Griffin and Rubio, so I was saying a high floor pick whose skillset happens to be shotblocking isn't the worst thing in the world and arguably more attractive to some teams than busty combo guards
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WhyteRyce posted:Yeah I didn't really like Thabeet. But 2009 was supposed to be a pretty weak draft class after Griffin and Rubio, so I was saying a high floor pick whose skillset happens to be shotblocking isn't the worst thing in the world and arguably more attractive to some teams than busty combo guards And hadn't he only played like 3 years of organized ball or something like that? So his rawness was looked at as a positive thing.
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morestuff posted:I remember Minny desperately trying to unload the No. 2 pick because Derrick Williams sat in this weird spot where he was the clear consensus guy that everybody also hated. A really good capper to that Beasley, Thabeet, Turner run Ah the "Derrick Williams is worth more than just Pau Gasol" debates.
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MourningView posted:Thabeet was bigger but no one was calling him the best athlete in the draft or a guy who could guard wings. There's always a guy that people have to really
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FrankeeFrankFrank posted:And hadn't he only played like 3 years of organized ball or something like that? So his rawness was looked at as a positive thing.
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So just over 24 hours until the draft...what's everybody's finals thoughts about what they want for their team? For Philly, I think staying put at 3 and taking Russell is the easiest and smartest thing they can possibly do. If Russ goes #2, I think they should grab Okafor and figure out how he fits in later. Buttttttttttttttttttttttt if they decided to trade down to 5 or 6 and take Henzoja, I wouldn't totally hate it. What it all boils down to though, is that if D'Angelo Russell is on the board at #3, and there seems to be a very good chance that's the case, and the Sixers pass on him., I'm going to break things. If he goes #2 I can live with it, because there's nothing you can do. But passing on him would be a major, major mistake.
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Yung Jacques posted:And yet he still went #2. He was never even going to be a Hibbert. Hibbert had way more offensive ability.
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Nailed it. Russell/Hezjona/Porzingis in that order Trade back up to get Hunter Russell Hunter Covington Nerlens Embiid (I think he's healthy)
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For the Hornets: wait and see if someone interesting like Hezonja, Porzingis, Mudiay falls; if not, work the phones hard to trade back; if the right deal doesn't show up, take Booker. Do not draft Frank.
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aBagorn posted:
There was talk about Philly possibly moving up to #23 (Portland's pick). I think Justin Anderson or Hunter would be good choices there. Anderson should be there, Hunter is 50/50.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:They scored about the same with Thabeet putting up a higher field goal percentage and better rebounding numbers while being a year younger. Please explain yourself. Hibbert played in a Princeton-esque offense therefore he's a passing dynamo??
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:They scored about the same with Thabeet putting up a higher field goal percentage and better rebounding numbers while being a year younger. Please explain yourself.
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morestuff posted:For the Hornets: wait and see if someone interesting like Hezonja, Porzingis, Mudiay falls; if not, work the phones hard to trade back; if the right deal doesn't show up, take Booker. If Stanley Johnson is available, OKC promises to send Charlotte both of Jeremy Lamb and Perry Jones +14 for 9. OKC gets a little cap relief and a two-way wing. Charlotte saves itself from Kaminsky, gets a talented player who needs a fresh start in Lamb & expiring young reclamation project in Jones, and can move down further with Boston, Spurs, whoever. Let's do it, forums trades rule.
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