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Oh boy! I always wanted to see the return of guilds! Problem is, I always imagined there'd be a Vetinari behind them.
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I once heard the only other country to implement functional constituencies besides Hong Kong was fascist Italy.
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Taiwan before democracy.
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City of London lol Maybe not technically functional constituencies, but almost. wikipedia said posted:The City has a unique electoral system. Most of its voters are representatives of businesses and other bodies that occupy premises in the City. Its ancient wards have very unequal numbers of voters. In elections, both the businesses based in the City and the residents of the City vote. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Jun 23, 2015 |
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Bloodnose posted:I once heard the only other country to implement functional constituencies besides Hong Kong was fascist Italy. What about the City of London? (Not the same thing as London, the city.) e,f,b.
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BCR posted:I took away its a investor class combining with a the CCP authoritarian party to gently caress over the majority. The communist party of china, as the old vanguard party has never been of the people, Mao hosed it all up with the Great Leap and needing the Cultural revolution to purge people who said "you're a big loving goon who doesn't wash, fucks young girls, and you've had no clue since the long march which was all about you being carried around on a litter" While there's a veritable mountain of evidence to criticize Mao there's no need to throw in fabrications by Jung Chang.
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Raenir Salazar posted:While there's a veritable mountain of evidence to criticize Mao there's no need to throw in fabrications by Jung Chang. Woah there buddy, gonna need to see some evidence that Jung Chang makes stuff up
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Chang is a great novelist, there's no doubt about that, but a weak historian. See all of this review: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n22/andrew-nathan/jade-and-plastic But especially this letter to the editor in response to it: quote:As the biographer of Archibald Clark Kerr, the British ambassador to China from 1937 to 1942, I was disappointed to see that Jung Chang and Jon Halliday repeat in Mao: The Untold Story the allegation that Clark Kerr was a Soviet agent. Had this been argued out, and evidence produced, then I would at least have had something to consider. However, nothing of the sort is done. Indeed, the only relevant text referenced is my own biography of Clark Kerr in which I took considerable pains to dismiss this unfair allegation. What is the point of their bald citation of a text that expressly negates the point they try to make?
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I, for one, am not troubled by the idea of Mao deserving all the bad press he can get, the fucker.
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Ceciltron posted:I, for one, am not troubled by the idea of Mao deserving all the bad press he can get, the fucker. Ceciltron's posting: 70% bad, 30% good.
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kenner116 posted:Ceciltron's posting: 70% bad, 30% good. He's Christine Lagarde remember.
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Can someone who reads Chinese have a stab at translating these? Google Translate is giving garbage:Leaked Legco WhatsApp Group posted:【on.cc東網專訊】 政改方案上周四表決，建制派出現世紀大「甩轆」，當中的WhatsApp對話足本實錄如下： From: http://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20150624/bkn-20150624233038224-0624_00822_001.html
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Ceciltron posted:I, for one, am not troubled by the idea of Mao deserving all the bad press he can get, the fucker. You should be on general principle of having historiography be written as the end of a process of exhaustive detailed research keeping your biases in check; otherwise you distort history to caricature and hearsay instead of evidence. "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it." If the causes of the Great Leap Forward and to a lesser extent the Cultural Revolution and how they relate to Mao aren't properly studied because certain authors instead insist on peddling their own personal head canon as only tangentially or circumstantially backed up by their research, well, that's a problem isn't it? At a minimum whatever legitimate research or insights Chang might have had are now going to be eclipsed by the parts where she goes off her rocker. Suppose she did research say, the casualty figures correctly, well now anyone on the internet can say "Because she made up facts here, how can we trust her research here or here?" There's solid reasons why you shouldn't just blindly accept distortions of historical figures, even ones who did arguably evil acts because it does legitimate harm in the long term. Semi related to the "I don't like you personally but agree you have a valid point even if you're an rear end in a top hat." principle. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Is her book on Cixi good?
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Raenir Salazar posted:You should be on general principle of having historiography be written as the end of a process of exhaustive detailed research keeping your biases in check; otherwise you distort history to caricature and hearsay instead of evidence. "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it." If the causes of the Great Leap Forward and to a lesser extent the Cultural Revolution and how they relate to Mao aren't properly studied because certain authors instead insist on peddling their own personal head canon as only tangentially or circumstantially backed up by their research, well, that's a problem isn't it? At a minimum whatever legitimate research or insights Chang might have had are now going to be eclipsed by the parts where she goes off her rocker. Suppose she did research say, the casualty figures correctly, well now anyone on the internet can say "Because she made up facts here, how can we trust her research here or here?" Didn't his doctor do a tell-all as well that said basically the same things about being a dirty old lech? Reading about Mao from people who were around him I always saw parallels with mob bosses. Not too bright, prone to anger, cult of personality, could off you at any time for the slightest affront.
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http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/china-slams-u-s-human-rights-record posted:BEIJING — I love it when they release these.
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Stringent posted:I love it when they release these.
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quote:The city’s government hit back Friday saying foreign powers “should not interfere” in its constitutional development and added “great importance” was given to freedom of speech. I'm sure it's an assigned priority for the PRCSOF, at any rate. Tupperwarez posted:China and America are in a race, but nobody seems to realize they're running at each other. Less race, more freefall.
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I saw this thread exploded and it turned out to be just Hong Kong poo poo posts. This thread should rename the Hong Kong thread and the China economy thread to just China thread.
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China’s Stock Market Plungesquote:SHANGHAI — Share prices in China plunged on Friday in one of the sharpest sell-offs in years, accelerating a downturn this past week in what has been, for much of this year, the world’s best-performing stock market. Buy, buy, buy?
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Chickenwalker posted:Didn't his doctor do a tell-all as well that said basically the same things about being a dirty old lech? Reading about Mao from people who were around him I always saw parallels with mob bosses. Not too bright, prone to anger, cult of personality, could off you at any time for the slightest affront. That biography is also controversial and in doubt, In the biography by Philip Short Mao was known to have slept around quite a bit, from what I vaguely remember as its been a while they were like groupies, school teachers, functionaries, adult (though still young) working women; remember that this was a dude whose face could spark a crowd of thousands wanting to just see him, but the allegations of being a pedo-panda are unwarranted. But your characterization doesn't really seem reasonable if you look at the commonly accepted facts; remember this is a person who was astoundingly successful in military command and politics. He didn't rules lawyer his way into power; but who quite ably maneuvered himself into power by convincing the Party Congress that they needed him in power. To whatever extent he's a peasant bumkin from the boonies is far eclipsed by a considerable and demonstrably true shrewd intelligence. Mozi posted:China’s Stock Market Plunges To what extent does a stock market collapse in China harm the average person?
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I've heard people criticize the private life memoir by his doctor, but never really on specifics. To be honest, the picture painted in that book seemed fairly balanced. A shrewd and charismatic general and politician who was probably better at winning a war than ruling afterwards, poorly served by the yes-men he surrounded himself with, and a variety of quirks reflective of his humble origins. As for sleeping with tons of young women...honestly, is that to be considered unusual? Power is an aphrodisiac. I'd be more surprised if he didn't, given the opportunity.
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Mozi posted:Buy, buy, buy? Raenir Salazar posted:To what extent does a stock market collapse in China harm the average person? e: Not the Bloomberg article cited by Dallas News, but still interesting from three months ago: "To get a sense of the frenzy in China’s world-beating equity market, consider this: In a two-week span last month, the rally lured 2.8 million rookie stock pickers, almost the equivalent of Chicago’s entire population." The average person in China doesn't own stocks, but millions and millions of people who can't afford to be speculating were doing just that. Dux Supremus fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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whatever7 posted:I saw this thread exploded and it turned out to be just Hong Kong poo poo posts. So is Hong Kong China or..?
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china's borders should be defined by where its smog reaches to
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angel opportunity posted:china's borders should be defined by where its smog reaches to That's a good idea. Hk has been Crystal clear for the past few weeks.
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Arglebargle III posted:So is Hong Kong China or..? China's colony.
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whatever7 posted:China's colony. Fake China's colony Real China has a sun, not stars Unless you're talking about a Real China Experience
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Uh, I'm the only sunshine boy in this town.
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did you get the salt company job or are you still in china?
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Haha holy poo poo SCMP really is a turd now. It was a decent paper four years ago. This guy wrote an article about how he couldn't understand the outrage this article provoked. Jason 'Wordie' posted:Among colonial Hong Kong society’s more pitiful by-products, the stereotypical adult “expat brat” is probably the saddest. Raised by a revolving-door cavalcade of transient “helpers” who instilled little or no real discipline in them, an attitude of unthinking privilege develops. School friends vanish permanently all too often, and the emotional consequence of this constant disruption is a superficiality in human relationships; due to their experiences, they expect people will ultimately leave them, and so make little deep investment in others.
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Are Chinese people capable of argumentation more sophisticated than bitchy and/or passive aggressive slapfights?
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icantfindaname posted:Are Chinese people capable of argumentation more sophisticated than bitchy and/or passive aggressive slapfights? uhm lol
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Stringent posted:I love it when they release these. andyouarelynchingnegroes.txt
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icantfindaname posted:Are Chinese people capable of argumentation more sophisticated than bitchy and/or passive aggressive slapfights? Have you heard of Joshua wong
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angel opportunity posted:did you get the salt company job or are you still in china? I'm still jobless
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Arglebargle III posted:Haha holy poo poo SCMP really is a turd now. It was a decent paper four years ago. Haha you are a really whiny and butthurt expat (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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