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O'Malley's Super PAC is being disingenuous about Bernie's gun control voting record, which is definitely mixed, but has tilted toward more control in recent years. He has an F rating from the NRA. If you feel passionately about either side of the gun control issue, Bernie's really not your candidate.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know. Among democratic primary voters I don't think there's much overlap between thinking "Hillary isn't liberal enough" and "guns are awesome". It might help Bernie in New Hampshire because they're a bunch of loving crazy people and there's only 65 people in the entire state. I think that would describe the entire Oklahoma democratic party, me included. Maybe you could extrapolate that to other traditionally red states? It is in line with European liberal politics.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know. Among democratic primary voters I don't think there's much overlap between thinking "Hillary isn't liberal enough" and "guns are awesome". It might help Bernie in New Hampshire because they're a bunch of loving crazy people and there's only 65 people in the entire state.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know. Among democratic primary voters I don't think there's much overlap between thinking "Hillary isn't liberal enough" and "guns are awesome". It might help Bernie in New Hampshire because they're a bunch of loving crazy people and there's only 65 people in the entire state. And all 65 of them are in the state legislature.
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I'm loving the fact that the GOP's crowded clown car allows Trump to corner the moron vote and actually get second place polling way ahead of "serious" candidates like Jindal, Christie or Santorum. I'll probably rue this day when Trump rides the Freeper vote to the White House and furnished it with slot machines at the entrance.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:06
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SCOTUS just ruled for gay marriage. Can't wait to see the shitshow in the GOP race in response.
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Feather posted:SCOTUS just ruled for gay marriage. Can't wait to see the shitshow in the GOP race in response. Huckabee quote:Little Rock, Ark. - Former Arkansas governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee made the following statement in response to the Supreme Court's ruling on Obergefell v. Hodges.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Huckabee Never change, Huckabee. Never change. Now, what is your opinion on incestuous rapists again? 
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Santorum Rick Santorum @RickSantorum 2m2 minutes ago Today, 5 unelected judges redefined the foundational unit of society. Now it is the people's turn to speak #Marriagep
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Jun 26, 2015 15:31
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Jun 26, 2015 15:33
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So here's the question: Does someone who doesn't choose to die on the anti-gay marriage hill have a chance at winning the Republican nomination, and if he does, what the hell happens?
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Great White Hope posted:So here's the question: National Organization of Marriage is asking all candidates to sign this pledge The Presidential Marriage Pledge I, _____________ _____________, pledge to the American people that if elected President, I will: One, support a federal constitutional amendment that protects marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Two, oppose and work to overturn any Supreme Court decision that illegitimately finds a constitutional "right" to the redefinition of marriage. This includes nominating to the U.S. Supreme Court and federal bench judges who are committed to restraint and applying the original meaning of the Constitution, and appointing an attorney general similarly committed. Three, conduct a review of regulatory, administrative and executive actions taken by the current Administration that have the effect of undermining marriage and work to restore our policies to be consistent with the proper understanding of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Consistent with this, prevent the promotion of a redefined version of marriage in public schools and other government entities. Four, support the First Amendment Defense Act and other legislation that recognizes the right of organizations and individuals to act in the public square consistent with their belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman without fear of retaliation from the government. Five, direct the Department of Justice to investigate, document and publicize cases of Americans who have been harassed or threatened for exercising key civil rights to organize, to speak, to donate or to vote for marriage and to propose new protections, if needed.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:38
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Here's Santorum's full load:
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Too bad Santorum probably spoke to a room of three people about it
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Joementum posted:Here's Santorum's full load: I'm trying to decide what the funniest part is. I'm going with "As President."
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:National Organization of Marriage is asking all candidates to sign this pledge I'm not so sure this is going to work out the way they want it to.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:52
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GODDAMIT when do we get a Trump press release on this???
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Great White Hope posted:So here's the question: Their only option is to loudly proclaim they will push for a new constitutional amendment explicitly banning gay marriage, which even among the far-right is a pretty unpopular opinion.
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pentyne posted:Their only option is to loudly proclaim they will push for a new constitutional amendment explicitly banning gay marriage, which even among the far-right is a pretty unpopular opinion. I think we will see at least one candidate campaign with a promise of exactly that.
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De Nomolos posted:GODDAMIT when do we get a Trump press release on this??? Trump posted:I have witnessed countless lavish gay weddings in my luxury hotels (of which I have many). These people know how to party, and with all due respect to those against it, they are good for business.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:04
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I wonder how the Christie machine is taking the last two days. Didn't he announce yesterday(Thurs) that he would announce his run on Tue?
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pentyne posted:Their only option is to loudly proclaim they will push for a new constitutional amendment explicitly banning gay marriage, which even among the far-right is a pretty unpopular opinion. I'm talking more along the lines of promising to nominate Supreme Court Justices who will protect religious freedom/the will of the people/some similar bullshit and make attempts to overturn this ruling, although I think somebody bringing up making a constitutional amendment is inevitable.
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Edit: phone posting and beaten by a mile Except that, you know, Roberts voted against gay marriage. But maybe he wasn't talking about Obergefell and it was just a coincidence that he posted about the Supreme Court two minutes after a landmark decision was announced. That's probably it. Curious if other candidates will use Roberts to attack JEB!
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Jun 26, 2015 16:10
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2016 Presidential Primary: Countless Lavish Gay Weddings
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I think that Trump tweet was about yesterday's decision on Obamacare, but it's Trump so who the gently caress knows.
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Joementum posted:I think that Trump tweet was about yesterday's decision on Obamacare, but it's Trump so who the gently caress knows. When did your avatar text change? I just noticed it now.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:13
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Joementum posted:I think that Trump tweet was about yesterday's decision on Obamacare, but it's Trump so who the gently caress knows. That would make sense, but he posted it like 2 minutes after the decision was announced, and awkwardly in the middle of another rant about Univision and Mexican trade deals. Hopefully we'll get the most luxurious clarification possible in a bit.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:15
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Oh what the hell kind of church do you go to, you failure? Gay marriage: worst marriage since HP-Compaq.
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I like how Carly's piece shows that she understand the logic behind the majority, but then she says she chooses to ignore it.
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Huh, maybe Trump's tweet was just a coincidence. Most of the candidates tweeted about King yesterday within minutes of the decision being announced. Obergefell has been up for about an hour and a half and Rubio, Walker, Cruz, Perry, Carson, and Rand's Twitter accounts are all silent on the issue. JEB! just has a generic statement that he's for traditional marriage but against discrimination. I expect we'll hear from Carson, Cruz and Perry soon, but this is probably a sign that gay marriage has enough support politically if so many of the republicans aren't jumping at the chance to decry it.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:So safe to say this will be a 2016 election issue? Certainly in the Rep primaries.
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Joementum posted:Here's Santorum's full load: I'm enjoying his citation of two derided and overturned Supreme Court decisions, Dred Scott v. Sandford and Plessy v. Ferguson, to argue his position that the Court is wrong in this case and that he really should be allowed to deny rights to other people. Huckabee voices support for Intelligent Falling.
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bpower posted:Certainly in the Rep primaries. Which can only be good news for the Democrats! And the viewing public who will derive entertainment from watching the gyrations, of course.
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I hope Ginsberg responds by banging a gavel and magically turning off the gravity in Huckabee's house.
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Salty Scott Walker posted:I believe this Supreme Court decision is a grave mistake. Five unelected judges have taken it upon themselves to redefine the institution of marriage, an institution that the author of this decision acknowledges ‘has been with us for millennia.’ In 2006 I, like millions of Americans, voted to amend our state constitution to protect the institution of marriage from exactly this type of judicial activism. The states are the proper place for these decisions to be made, and as we have seen repeatedly over the last few days, we will need a conservative president who will appoint men and women to the Court who will faithfully interpret the Constitution and laws of our land without injecting their own political agendas. As a result of this decision, the only alternative left for the American people is to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to reaffirm the ability of the states to continue to define marriage. How about those jobs you promised us back here in the state you're supposed to be governing?
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