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I said come in! posted:The fact that it's a fictional character isn't relevant.  you actually think this
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Helsing posted:What has Sarkessian done to trash her reputation? (Also: what reputation?) I watched the first episode of her youtube series on sexism in video games about a year ago when I first heard about her and couldn't really understand why she would be a figure of controversy. She keeps attacking her supporters, and going after games that no one else agree's with her on, including her supporters.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:07
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I said come in! posted:Again, it's about nuance and context. The fact that it's a fictional character isn't relevant. Yeah, it is actually. The character "Bayonetta" does not make decisions, they are programmed into the media she features in. Saying that her outfits are an attack on body-shaming and slutshaming and all that is meaningless, because those are done by women deciding how they dress, which Bayonetta does not do. Furthermore, the presence of particular characters with better justifications for hypersexuality doesn't change the fact that media creates these impossible images and broadcasts them constantly. Bayonetta is present even if you never play either of her games, just like the many, many other characters that feature similar hypersexuality.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:09
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I don't hate Anita, but I've always been ticked off that she's never even mentioned Metroid: Other M, which is one of the most sexist things I've ever experienced.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:09
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I said come in! posted:She keeps attacking her supporters, and going after games that no one else agree's with her on, including her supporters. Examples?
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Jun 26, 2015 16:09
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Wait, I thought Bayonetta was empowering to some? This is really weird. quote:The mainstream media has focused predominantly on the harassment that women like developer Brianna Wu and culture critic Anita Sarkeesian have faced. The speciality gaming press seems to be focused on distancing itself from GamerGate, forgetting Thomas Jefferson's thought that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing. I don't think they are forgetting it, they just didn't imagine that those Georgian period waistcoats would ever stretch so tightly across the form of the gamergaters, nor that they would be so stained.
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Fabricated posted:it was really boring in lf and its really boring here Who do you think I am, exactly? I need to know how hard I should be laughing.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:09
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Helsing posted:What has Sarkessian done to trash her reputation? (Also: what reputation?) I watched the first episode of her youtube series on sexism in video games about a year ago when I first heard about her and couldn't really understand why she would be a figure of controversy. It's basically all twitter drama. McIntosh keeps logging onto the "Feminist Frequency" twitter and reposting stuff from his original account. The FF twitter has Anita's photo on it so idiots assume it's her talking. icantfindaname posted:oh well as long as it's only sometimes, I guess it's fine I don't know what assumptions you're making about me here, but it's not. There's still a lot of room for improvement, but that doesn't mean that the entire product is somehow tainted and terrible.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:10
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Hadaka Apron posted:I don't hate Anita, but I've always been ticked off that she's never even mentioned Metroid: Other M, which is one of the most sexist things I've ever experienced. This is kind of the thing really. Even with a surface level grasp and explanation of what she's talking about, stuff like Other M and the like gets glossed over in favour of her rambling about riding boots looking like high heels.  She has legitimate points but the way she expresses them, and her apparent tolerance of Mcintosh allowing her to use her face as a mouthpiece, really drags down whatever's being said.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:12
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poptart_fairy posted:This is kind of the thing really. Even with a surface level grasp and explanation of what she's talking about, stuff like Other M and the like gets glossed over in favour of her rambling about riding boots looking like high heels. that guy does seem to be a pretty big idiot, it's true.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:13
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Powercrazy posted:Actually no. It's not the relationship between a "developer" and a "journalist," its the non-disclosure. Since being good friends with someone is obviously going to color your review of their product. That's really it, and one of the many good things that has come from gamergate, beyond the hilarity of people melting down about it, is that many sites now have disclosures as part of their review process.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:13
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Wait, I thought Bayonetta was empowering to some? quote:In fact, it's very hard to enjoy most modern video games without some feminist leanings. Lara Croft; the Asari in Mass Effect uhh the freaking omnisexual blue chicks that are smoking hot to everyone in the entire galaxy but also still look like humans more or less are feminist?
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Jun 26, 2015 16:14
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poptart_fairy posted:This is kind of the thing really. Even with a surface level grasp and explanation of what she's talking about, stuff like Other M and the like gets glossed over in favour of her rambling about riding boots looking like high heels. No point in mentioning Other M because most people would agree. You need the sweet, sweet controversy to make people pay attention.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:14
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hi we are the sexulons, from sexulonia. our powers are: being real fuckable.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:15
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paranoid randroid posted:uhh the freaking omnisexual blue chicks that are smoking hot to everyone in the entire galaxy but also still look like humans more or less are feminist? Well duh, they are women that were allowed into a game.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:15
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Who is this McIntosh that is suddenly getting mentioned?
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Jun 26, 2015 16:16
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Dreylad posted:that guy does seem to be a pretty big idiot, it's true. Johnny hasn't stopped chewing on his foot for the past five months, up to pulling the Jack Thompson card on Doom's violence. He's a great comic strip, but how anyone takes him seriously is mystifying.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:16
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hwordhan posted:No point in mentioning Other M because most people would agree. You need the sweet, sweet controversy to make people pay attention. I disagree, the Star Wars prequels were mostly hated but Red Letter Media managed to get popular by doing a really good job of explaining why they were bad.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:16
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hwordhan posted:No point in mentioning Other M because most people would agree. You need the sweet, sweet controversy to make people pay attention. The Ann Coulter school of political haymaking
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Jun 26, 2015 16:17
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Helsing posted:Who is this McIntosh that is suddenly getting mentioned? The other half of Feminist Frequency. Jonathan McIntosh.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:17
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Helsing posted:Who is this McIntosh that is suddenly getting mentioned? The 'story' of the gamergate controversy is a series of twitter people trash talking other twitter people, on the social media site twitter.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:18
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Helsing posted:Who is this McIntosh that is suddenly getting mentioned? Anita's writer has on more than one occasion been caught copy/pasting comments he makes into the Feminist Frequency twitter account, trying to delete the originals before anyone notices. Anita also seems to take a sudden, spontaneous interest in anything he takes specific issue with on his own account.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:18
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Jun 26, 2015 16:18
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poptart_fairy posted:This is kind of the thing really. Even with a surface level grasp and explanation of what she's talking about, stuff like Other M and the like gets glossed over in favour of her rambling about riding boots looking like high heels. The thing I don't like is that her Women vs. Tropes video series, the entire thesis is that sexism in video games will cause more sexism in society. There is no research to support this and it's worrying that she refuses to cite the research she is getting this from. She has no authority or credibility to make the claims she does. People should understand that the extent of her research is cherry picking examples from games.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:19
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Helsing posted:Who is this McIntosh that is suddenly getting mentioned? He's Anita's producer and huge fuckig baby that tries to use her as a shield for his own stupid opinions.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:21
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The only fun part of discussing sexism in media is that you can get this massive circle going where people can justify literally every single female character's design in, say, fighting games, but never get to the part of asking why you basically have a choice between sexualized and hypersexualized characters.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:21
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paranoid randroid posted:uhh the freaking omnisexual blue chicks that are smoking hot to everyone in the entire galaxy but also still look like humans more or less are feminist? I'm guessing shes talking about sex positive sort of feminism, what with the asari having that whole culture of intimate expression, but I didn't really play mass effect when I was sober.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:22
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poptart_fairy posted:This is kind of the thing really. Even with a surface level grasp and explanation of what she's talking about, stuff like Other M and the like gets glossed over in favour of her rambling about riding boots looking like high heels. Yeah, 'Other M' is insanely misogynistic. If you want to point out misogyny in videogames, that's a textbook example. Terrible Opinions posted:No they dropped it after 1 thankfully, because it was as you said shameful and sad. There is still a bit of uncomfortable sex stuff in the Witcher 3, but it's mostly like what you get in aSoIaF. Sometimes in service in pointing out that medieval society sucked and needed to change and sometimes because the author wanted to feed their fetish. Pretty much. It isn't anything different then you'd find on HBO, in terms of The Witcher 2 & 3. Another thing to remember about The Witcher 1 is that it is very much a product of its time. It came out in October 2007, while Mass Effect came out in November of the same year. Mass Effect was the first game to have a sexual element to it. I remember the hosts on Fox News calling it a sex simulator, so it was a big deal at the time. So, nobody really knew how to do sex in video games. And unfortunately, they went with the idiotic sex cards that were more like a porn game than a mainstream release. I don't attribute it to malice, just having absolutely no idea what they were doing. Which is why when ME came out and other games started having content like that, they dropped it like they should have in the first place. EDIT: And for anyone who doesn't know, Mcintosh has said that escapisim is right wing. So, uh, yeah.
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Effectronica posted:The only fun part of discussing sexism in media is that you can get this massive circle going where people can justify literally every single female character's design in, say, fighting games, but never get to the part of asking why you basically have a choice between sexualized and hypersexualized characters. Isn't that more because sexuality is different for everyone?
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Jun 26, 2015 16:23
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im glad weve got yet another thread dedicated to mining the dankest twitter drama where nothing actually happens ever. some loving epic lulz to be unearthed here.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:24
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Dapper Dan posted:And unfortunately, they went with the idiotic sex cards that were more like a porn game than a mainstream release. I don't attribute it to malice, just having absolutely no idea what they were doing. Which is why when ME came out and other games started having content like that, they dropped it like they should have in the first place. There's no mistake or inadvertence to it, women and their sexual conquest are for collecting.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:24
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Dapper Dan posted:Yeah, 'Other M' is insanely misogynistic. If you want to point out misogyny in videogames, that's a textbook example. Doing a web series on misogyny in video games and ignoring Other M is like doing a series on racism in film and ignoring Birth of a Nation, if Birth of a Nation had come out only a decade ago and ruined one of cinema's most iconic characters.
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paranoid randroid posted:[chugging boyd rice beat] DO YOU WANT TWITTER WAR? #throwoutchristandbringbackthor
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Jun 26, 2015 16:26
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Effectronica posted:The only fun part of discussing sexism in media is that you can get this massive circle going where people can justify literally every single female character's design in, say, fighting games, but never get to the part of asking why you basically have a choice between sexualized and hypersexualized characters. I'm in favor of more women that are less sexualized and more men that are. It's a win win.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:27
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paranoid randroid posted:im glad weve got yet another thread dedicated to mining the dankest twitter drama where nothing actually happens ever. some loving epic lulz to be unearthed here. The 'nothing' in this case being people losing their jobs over being stupid on the internet. Some schadenfreude, but the wells running dry.
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Geralt in Witcher 3 was another really great character that Anita and McIntosh should have been praising but were too retarded to read the character. They kept (really just McIntosh) claiming that Geralt had no emotions and was angry all the time. The day I read those series of Tweets, I also played Witcher 3, not more then 30 minutes after reading those Tweets in fact. And then within minutes of that was a cut scene where Geralt shows concern for a female character that he views very highly of, and then another cutscene where he displays humor and tries to talk another character out of fighting him.
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SedanChair posted:There's no mistake or inadvertence to it, women and their sexual conquest are for collecting. True, it was really awful. I just feel like they had no idea of the implications of what they were doing and went with the cards because they didn't have the budget or time to do them properly. But I can't get inside their heads about it, so maybe you are right.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:28
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paranoid randroid posted:im glad weve got yet another thread dedicated to mining the dankest twitter drama where nothing actually happens ever. some loving epic lulz to be unearthed here.
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Hadaka Apron posted:I disagree, the Star Wars prequels were mostly hated but Red Letter Media managed to get popular by doing a really good job of explaining why they were bad. Getting attention for yourself and getting attention for your cause are different things.
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Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible.
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