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paranoid randroid posted:oh my god, gamergate meets might be the most pathetic thing i can think of Well, the last one in LA was joined by Mercedes Carrera and some of her friends. I can think of a few things significantly more pathetic than hanging out with porn stars at a bar. Posting on any forum is one of them.
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Sinnlos posted:Like, the whole existence of Gamer Gate is baffling. But they did talk about that stuff, at length. That firing was big news, the article about Jeff Keighley and his doritos was big news, other notoriously poo poo games having their scores lowered after release after users complained was relatively big news. There was tons of negative stuff being said about those gaming sites at places like /v/ and reddit and even here on SA. It was those people who made Giantbomb (the spinoff site created by the guy who got fired for that review) such a huge success and got those scores lowered post-release.
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paranoid randroid posted:oh my god, gamergate meets might be the most pathetic thing i can think of Milo actually bragged about getting laid at one.
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paranoid randroid posted:oh my god, gamergate meets might be the most pathetic thing i can think of Give that a moment to digest because I'm still kind of in disbelief myself.
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Another thing that threw fuel onto the fire was when it came out that a number of games journalist shared a mailing list, wherein certain members pressured others to toe certain lines (If I remember correctly, Ben Kuchera pushed for the Escapist guys to censor all GG discussion). This combined with the usual trend of hack journalists to write the same articles everyone else is writing led to suspiciously similar strings of "Gamers are dead" and "Eron G. is a bad person and he should feel bad" articles coming out on various sites.
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Sinnlos posted:Easy enough to ping your friend who just got her game greenlit and ask for an image from it to use as a header. A bit off topic, but you don't have to bother anyone for permission to use press material from store fronts like Steam. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Sinnlos posted:Like, the whole existence of Gamer Gate is baffling. The reason is because there is no reason. Gamergate wasnt about feminism or games journalism at the start. Eron Gjoni initially posted The Zoe Post here and on 4chan. This action started a ten month long chain of events that came to be known as gamergate, but at the time I think Eron was just hurt and wanted to hurt Zoe back since she (allegedly) cheated on him with five guys. This is the source of the Five Guys Burger and Fries joke, in reference to Zoe. This lead to public harassment which lead to antiGG campaigning against sexist attitudes in videogames. It was gassed here, but people read it on 4chan and started calling her a big ol cuntwhore. Like, a lot. I dont think Eron anticipated the stregnth of the reaction, or at least came to regret what he had done because he started trying to douse the fire. He switched gears, away from Zoes untrustworthiness and infidelity to the people she cheated on him with. He basically started saying: "Look, this one writes articles for kotaku! I was just trying to expose how scummy this is", and thats when Ethics in Videogame Journalism got added to the Gamergate banner.
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Heteroy posted:It's just surprising that this has had such long legs. Is there really anything more to it than socially impotent young men yelling, occasionally under the guise of fighting for journalistic honesty? I'd think they would have found new injustices to latch on to and use as a proxy for their ineffective flailing after a couple months. Nerds can bitch about anything indefinitely, even if its something as simple as a game not being as pretty as it was in screenshots.
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Al Cowens posted:There was one in LA at the same time as E3 this year and a suspected 'mole' who had the temerity to show up was swiftly tracked down and identified within 24 hours via the crowdsourced human flesh search engine, named, and shamed. To be fair, Chuck Johnson isn't exactly a random unheralded person. If you have search then search his name here, you'll find tons of stuff on him in D&D.
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Sinnlos posted:The first link seems like no big deal, mentioned along with 50 other games, and one of three games that got a whole sentence fragment devoted to it. The header image is from depression quest looks like. Easy enough to ping your friend who just got her game greenlit and ask for an image from it to use as a header. It really was a non-issue, it's just that the fact that Zoe managed to get thousands of comments on reddit deleted made it look like she was massively influential, and that just played into Eron's hands. Trying to silence people on the internet just doesn't work.
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Sinnlos posted:The first link seems like no big deal, mentioned along with 50 other games, and one of three games that got a whole sentence fragment devoted to it. The header image is from depression quest looks like. Easy enough to ping your friend who just got her game greenlit and ask for an image from it to use as a header. All he had to do was say "by the way I know Zoe Quinn" and there would have been no controversy. Disclosure is Journalism 100. When people said they should edit the articles, and disclose such relationships in the future, they threw a massive shitfit (how you know most of them aren't real journalists) and declared that gamers are dead. And all discussion of it was banned outside of one SA thread, on sub-reddit, and another chan. Here we are 10 months later.
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Bonesnap posted:I can think of a few things significantly more pathetic than hanging out with porn stars at a bar. Posting on any forum is one of them. mods frame this post and hang it on the wall
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Hadaka Apron posted:It really was a non-issue, it's just that the fact that Zoe managed to get thousands of comments on reddit deleted made it look like she was massively influential, and that just played into Eron's hands. Trying to silence people on the internet just doesn't work. it's funny how people conflate "don't talk about this thing here because you're all idiots" is interpreted as "don't talk about this thing" i dunno, free speech purists are just as weird to me as free market purists. the thing only exist in reference to the rules which define it
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Bonesnap posted:Well, the last one in LA was joined by Mercedes Carrera and some of her friends. I can think of a few things significantly more pathetic than hanging out with porn stars at a bar. Posting on any forum is one of them. well yeah if youre the kind of person who thinks someone putting in face-time with their primary consumer demographic constitutes "hanging out", then i guess i can see why youd think its cool
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zakharov posted:How is this 43 pages long already?? Video games rot your brain.
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Meme Emulator posted:The reason is because there is no reason. Gamergate wasnt about feminism or games journalism at the start. Eron Gjoni initially posted The Zoe Post here and on 4chan. This action started a ten month long chain of events that came to be known as gamergate, but at the time I think Eron was just hurt and wanted to hurt Zoe back since she (allegedly) cheated on him with five guys. This is the source of the Five Guys Burger and Fries joke, in reference to Zoe. This lead to public harassment which lead to antiGG campaigning against sexist attitudes in videogames. Eron never accused Nathan Greyson of journalistic impropriety, he just mentioned that Zoe had slept with the guy. Other people saw that and thought, "hey, doesn't this guy write for Kotaku, and didn't he write about Zoe's game a few times" and ran with that. Eron actually came back and clarified that he didn't think they were romantically involved when the articles were written. Sinnlos posted:The first link seems like no big deal, mentioned along with 50 other games, and one of three games that got a whole sentence fragment devoted to it. The header image is from depression quest looks like. Easy enough to ping your friend who just got her game greenlit and ask for an image from it to use as a header. The problem was that the articles never mention that he and Zoe are friends (which they absolutely were at the time, even though the affair didn't happen until later), which is kind of sketchy though I agree that it is nowhere near deserving of this kind of shitstorm.
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zakharov posted:How is this 43 pages long already?? like dogs meeting each other and trying to sniff each other's butts, the gbs trolls and d&d trolls had to establish dominance before everyone settled down
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yeah i got a picture of me awkwardly hover handing a porn lady. we hang out sometimes. its cool.
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So maybe the answer is to let it drop. Grayson should have disclosed, Eron shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry, and Zoe doesn't even seem involved in this. She got roped in when any ire should have been placed on Grayson for the failure to disclose. That is not Zoe's fault. I do think I get how feminism in videogames got involved now, as it seems Zoe was harassed due to her gender, at least in part.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:
Hahahah ok whatever man
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's funny how people conflate "don't talk about this thing here because you're all idiots" is interpreted as "don't talk about this thing" Do you dislike anti-racists then? Anti-poverty campaigners? "thing only exist in reference to the rules which define it" is such a bullshit phrase.
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Sinnlos posted:Eron shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry Why, thats loving bullshit. A guy can't even mention that he's being cheated on by multiple people?
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Cliff Racer posted:Why, thats loving bullshit. A guy can't even mention that he's being cheated on by multiple people? I'm not going to post the names of people I've slept with on the internet. That's kind of a lovely thing to do man.
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Nope, if a guy is in an abusive relationship he needs to be a man about it and shut the gently caress up.
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Bedshaped posted:Great. I can't wait to do just that. I'm sorry you don't like to be proven wrong. Meanwhile I encourage people who aren't here just to yell at internet strangers to simply look at the hashtag and see what is posted. I generally believed the general SA consensus (lovely sexist nerds harassing women) until I did some basic research. As it turned out, it's just that the people they're fighting against have better media marketing, both sides done some bad poo poo but only one gets the bad press. I'm quite convinced that if any prominent aGG name-and-shamed someone harassing them from gamergate with proof, that person would be doxxed to poo poo and ran out of the internet within maybe 12 hours, by gamergate itself. Look up how fast they found the guy who posted the E3 Anita posters.
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Sinnlos posted:I'm not going to post the names of people I've slept with on the internet. That's kind of a lovely thing to do man. Your facebook page doesn't update when you get into a relationship? Oh wait, I get it. Not to mention that her name isn't Zoe Quinn...
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Cliff Racer posted:Why, thats loving bullshit. A guy can't even mention that he's being cheated on by multiple people? OMG She's only got stuff because she as sleeping with other men.  HOW loving DARE SHE.
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Cliff Racer posted:To be fair, Chuck Johnson isn't exactly a random unheralded person. If you have search then search his name here, you'll find tons of stuff on him in D&D. Wait Chucks a goon? I guess I'm not surprised by this any more.
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LostRook posted:Nope, if a guy is in an abusive relationship he needs to be a man about it and shut the gently caress up. You mind linking me to the op? I'm of the opinion that no matter your personal issues with another individual, you shouldn't put their names up on the internet like that. If he didn't actually name Zoe, that's good! Then the blame falls on those who dug her name up. I'm not saying you can't make e/n posts, heck, I've made one.
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Sinnlos posted:So maybe the answer is to let it drop. Grayson should have disclosed, Eron shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry, and Zoe doesn't even seem involved in this. She got roped in when any ire should have been placed on Grayson for the failure to disclose. That is not Zoe's fault. I do think I get how feminism in videogames got involved now, as it seems Zoe was harassed due to her gender, at least in part. I agree with all of this. I think the best way for people to let it drop would have been to let discussions happen on a few places other than 4chan, update the articles and apologize for not disclosing. If they had done that, the whole thing would have blown over within a week. Also, one thing about Eron: if you read the original Zoepost, you'll find that it begins with a Trigger Warning, and he mentions that he got interested in Zoe because her OKCupid profile mentioned that she was "interested in social justice." That's right, Eron Gjoni was a SJW, and he was engaging in Callout Culture, specifically the idea that abuse victims should call out their abusers to warn other people about them. I think the past 10 months have done a lot to show how toxic that idea is.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's funny how people conflate "don't talk about this thing here because you're all idiots" is interpreted as "don't talk about this thing" Yeah, but one of the sites where this got censored was reddit, which dragged its feet forever over deleting a subreddit called "jailbait" where people posted creepy pictures of underage girls. It looked kind of suspicious for reddit to be so active at deleting comments about Zoe when they had been so bad about deleting the jailbait stuff. Here's a post where 20,000 comments were removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2dz0gs/totalbiscuit_discusses_the_state_of_games/ It's a textbook case of the Streisand effect.
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LostRook posted:Your facebook page doesn't update when you get into a relationship? Oh wait, I get it. I don't have facebook. I do have a relationship that I've happily been in for 2 and a half years though. Furthermore, how do you know that I haven't slept with a public figure? You don't, because that is between me and that person, there is no need to let others know.
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Back in the hellthread, someone said they would consider pro-gamergate as having won if they could get their wikipedia entry changed. They're being given a second chance, at least.
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paranoid randroid posted:well yeah if youre the kind of person who thinks someone putting in face-time with their primary consumer demographic constitutes "hanging out", then i guess i can see why youd think its cool Gamers are not her primary consumer demographic. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I would guess that most gamers know you don't have to pay for porn. Sinnlos posted:So maybe the answer is to let it drop. Grayson should have disclosed, Eron shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry, and Zoe doesn't even seem involved in this. She got roped in when any ire should have been placed on Grayson for the failure to disclose. That is not Zoe's fault. I do think I get how feminism in videogames got involved now, as it seems Zoe was harassed due to her gender, at least in part. This. Zoe for the most part hasn't had much to do or say in this since the months after the whole thing started and is best forgotten. She's the Archduke Franz Ferdinand to GG's World War 1. The reason this poo poo is going is because of opportunistic latchers-on like Anite Sarkeesian who came up with some glaringly fake threats and that became the narrative. So the media kept pushing that and gamers, in their 'tism, just couldn't let it go.
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Wait Chucks a goon? No, but he's famous on the whole of the internet for being a conservative e-journalist with no morals or ethics.
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