Bholder posted:

Does anyone here knows what Gamergate is?

quote:

Trust Fund Marxists trying to force creative serfdom on the general public to maintain a rapidly collapsing position of cultural influence.

Brannock posted:

I'm going to preface this by saying I don't particularly care one way or another about either side of gamergate beyond enjoying the howling stupidity, ignorance, and exaggeration coming from both sides. That said I find it much more enjoyable to point out how stupid the self-proclaimed Correctthinkers and moral crusaders are acting than doing the same for a group is that is already almost universally seen as stupid and gross. Low-hanging fruit and all ya know?

One of the few things I actually did care about, though, is the reaction to Eron Gjoni's callout of Quinn's abusive and manipulative behavior. (Here I should say I don't actually like or support any of Gjoni's subsequent and vindictive actions towards Quinn or anything else in that category. He and his supporters went way over the line.) A group of people who are otherwise very quick to listen and believe, to criticize those who are condescending and skeptical of those who come forward talking about their bad experiences and abuse, and especially who are otherwise critical of gender roles, patriarchy, societal pressures, blah blah blah, immediately turned around and threw every last classical patriarchal defense in the book against Gjoni, with a helping of twisting around some feminist ideas in the defense of Quinn (slut-shaming, etc). This is representative of the typical defense of Quinn that I saw from AGG people about a year ago when all of this was initially coming out:


If Eron and Zoe had instead been Erin and Zack, then I am absolutely certain that "Zack Quinn" would have received a planet-sized backlash for being abusive and manipulative of a poor woman while in the process of cheating repeatedly on her and lying about it while convincing her that she shouldn't sleep with anyone else even while they're separated/split up as well as insisting that having sex on false pretenses is Rape. Instead Zoe had the ranks close in around her and was held up as a martyr while Eron Gjoni consistently had his character insulted and shamed for not being Man Enough to deal with repeated emotional manipulation and gaslighting. If we take Quinn's own definitions at her word, then Quinn is a straight up abuser and rapist. If we instead evaluate Quinn's actions by a reasonable standard then she's still a lovely person who did some really really lovely things and the community that both Gjoni and Quinn were involved in deserved to know about what sort of person Gjoni claimed Quinn is.

I don't think you're still participating in this thread anymore, (I refreshed) Obdicut, but I recall you were a strong supporter of hearsay-based character evaluation in previous threads. Even if someone was legally innocent, they can still be put on trial in the court of public opinion, yes? Here in the court of Twitter opinion we saw the alleged victim suffer repeated character attacks and victim-blaming. I don't think you'd see this to be desirable or in line with gender equality ideals. Of course I'm not condoning any death threats that Quinn received as a reaction and I think it's pretty clear that the retaliation that Quinn and other female journalists and developers received (the ones that weren't fabricated, anyway) is blatantly misogynist and disproportionate to any actual actions they made.

Also lol at a bunch of self-proclaimed leftists repeatedly mocking a black person for being distrustful of white feminists and twisting his words to make him sound insane and paranoid when it's common knowledge that white Western feminism has had long-standing and well-documented issues with dealing with minorities and black people in particular.

INH5 posted:

Yes, it was an internet poll advertised as a "gamergate political survey," because there really is no other possible way to conduct such a thing. Are you suggesting that a bunch of people lied on their answers to that survey? If so, do you have any actual evidence of that?

And I would still like to know on what basis you made your original claim that 30% of GGers would be vocally offended by a hypothetical gay orgy scene in a video game.

Panzeh posted:

When this game developer looks around him, thinks about the greasy neckbeards, and then decides not to make a japanese porn game- that's censorship.

The implication made in this thread is that this is what the "slient majority" of gamers wants.

Totalizator posted:

So are you claiming a thousand people lied about liking abortion and gay marriage, because?

Totalizator posted:

So are you claiming a thousand people lied about liking abortion and gay marriage, because?

Brannock posted:

I don't think it matters too much what Gamergate does or doesn't believe in since both sides draw from pretty much the same generational cohort and are going to share a majority of political views (even those on feminism!).

Cingulate posted:

Gut feel.

Do you consider it possible that gamer gate dudes consider it in their best interest to not appear conservative?

Bholder posted:

So we can all agree that none of you know what you are talking about and just making poo poo up?

Broniki posted:

where do people get the idea that a group opposed to a section of the media care about their own PR when it's the same media that ultimately decides how to portray them

Ddraig posted:

There's an entire science built around the concept of blind testing.

e: Even Google Surveys don't bother telling you what the purpose of any given survey is for because they don't want to influence the results in any way.

Cingulate posted:

Gut feel.

Do you consider it possible that gamer gate dudes consider it in their best interest to not appear conservative?

InsanityIsCrazy posted:

I feel genuine pity for game developers having to slog through this circus.

Bholder posted:

So we can all agree that none of you know what you are talking about and just making poo poo up?

Ddraig posted:

Assuming you're talking about GamerGate I think it was about the time they decided to create an imaginary female character for PR purposes.

Ddraig posted:

Assuming you're talking about GamerGate I think it was about the time they decided to create an imaginary female character for PR purposes.

Neurolimal posted:

One dude said some silly cheerleading stuff, and then got jumped by a bunch of dudes because they couldn't really argue effectively against anything else. Hopefully this has been cleared up in the past 2 pages and we can resume talking about what gamergate stands against, while avoiding derails into what they hate about anti-gamergate .

Ddraig posted:

Assuming you're talking about GamerGate I think it was about the time they decided to create an imaginary female character for PR purposes.

Panzeh posted:

I don't really think they do. They make their money, or they don't, and the forum arguments go on and on and on because on the internet you never really lose.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

i don't think you can talk about what gamergate stands against without those derails, because gamergate is just a reactionary movement in opposition to feminism, diversity, and inclusivity

Broniki posted:

That character was created as a donation tier award for a crowfunded video game but thanks for establishing that you've been furious at your own imagination this whole time.

Brannock posted:

Popular Thug Drink posted:

i don't think you can talk about what gamergate stands against without those derails, because gamergate is just a reactionary movement in opposition to feminism, diversity, and inclusivity

Popular Thug Drink posted:

i don't think you can talk about what gamergate stands against without those derails, because gamergate is just a reactionary movement in opposition to feminism, diversity, and inclusivity

Bholder posted:

Of course, they also kill orphans, worship Hitler, steal from undeveloped countries and support human slavery.

Broniki posted:

A movement born in opposition to the establishment kind of can't be reactionary by definition.

Broniki posted:

A movement born in opposition to the establishment kind of can't be reactionary by definition.

Broniki posted:

A movement born in opposition to the establishment kind of can't be reactionary by definition.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

i don't think any of those things are true, but it is true that gamergaters have a stated opposition to feminism and SJWs

Neurolimal posted:

Is feminist thought, inclusiveness, and the application of social moors to videogames already established facets of games journalism and videogames, or is it a looming threat to our videogames that we must lash out against?

VJeff posted:

When it was just a character for Afterlife Empire and they were just making goofy fanart of her playing video games and poo poo, it was pretty neat, but man, some of the art that got made as GG got longer and crazier was just....weird.

Not to mention that insane aryanized Vivian James twitter account that popped up.

Totalizator posted:

Being opposed to neopuritans is not opposition to feminism, other then many of the former claim to be the main spokespeople and representatives of the latter, which, quite frankly, sucks.

InsanityIsCrazy posted:

This is a Fantastic Post.

There are three universal truths to Gamergate at this point:

1. Twitter makes you really dumb
2. Twitter is the worst possible venue for debate or discussion
3. Gamers and their arch nemeses are really bad at PR

Popular Thug Drink posted:

what is a neopuritan anyway? you never answered that

Popular Thug Drink posted:

what is a neopuritan anyway? you never answered that