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The Southern Dandy posted:Sorry the first nerf wasn't good enough somehow. It has nothing to do with arty being over- or underpowered you big baby, it's just an awful and toxic game mechanic that almost everyone except you hates. If anything I'd say arty is actually "underpowered" since it's much harder to carry in arty than in a regular tank, but that's orthogonal to the actual problems with arty. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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yaay posted:yes this justifies the existence of a mechanic that allows players the opportunity to do more damage than the largest direct fire guns in the game from the other side of the map with no risk whatsoever. Maybe you should scout more?
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Jun 28, 2015 22:12
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The Southern Dandy posted:Maybe you should scout more? maybe you should stop posting
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Jun 28, 2015 22:12
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TheFluff posted:It has nothing to do with arty being over- or underpowered you big baby, it's just an awful and toxic game mechanic that almost everyone except you hates. If it's UP then it should be buffed.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:13
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The Southern Dandy posted:If it's UP then it should be buffed. I wouldn't mind arty being buffed if the fundamental problems (no counter-mechanic and the godawful damage model) were fixed first. If those aren't fixed I don't give a gently caress what they do to it, it's still gonna be a broken mechanic that nobody likes. I don't see any straightforward way of fixing those problems, though, and I doubt WG does either.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:18
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TheFluff posted:maybe you should stop posting Maybe you should have some reasoning for your posts.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:18
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The Southern Dandy posted:Maybe you should have some reasoning for your posts. TheFluff posted:I dunno, some of the problems with arty don't really seem fixable to me.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:19
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Like this is the most hosed up viewpoint in the game, and so very terribly pubby. There's only arty on the other side, and never on ours. Always play the victim.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:24
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Make all arty be spotted for 5 seconds after firing. This should apply to the 183 as well.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:24
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The Southern Dandy posted:Like this is the most hosed up viewpoint in the game, and so very terribly pubby. There's only arty on the other side, and never on ours. I have no idea why you think that post has anything to do with what I wrote. Both sides being equally miserable doesn't make the mechanic any better.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:28
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The Southern Dandy posted:Maybe you should scout more? should I have to throw a light tank away in the beginning/middle of the game to make sure the above scenario doesn't happen? Because on most maps you're not going to reasonably spot artillery without massive risk until the the game is more or less decided. counterbattery is the only thing spgs have to worry about for most of the game.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:33
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IMO they should remove all arty except for the lefh, so that one could be called a gold noob pay to win sky cancer all in one sentence. I'm saying this unironically.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:34
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yaay posted:counterbattery is the only thing spgs have to worry about for most of the game.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:35
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TheFluff posted:I have no idea why you think that post has anything to do with what I wrote. Both sides being equally miserable doesn't make the mechanic any better. I have no idea what you copypasted had anything to do with anything either. The mechanic brings TDs, heavies, and even mediums to heel. If you don't believe that, then watch a game. People scream for arty assistance. It's what I do. The Southern Dandy fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 22:36
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Just add a $10 monthly fee to play without arty.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:39
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id pay
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Jun 28, 2015 22:40
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Reminder that the same person made all these posts:quote:I have to say I like mediums player's tears after 8.6. Feels justified. quote:Nuffin. Arty got nerfed back then, so now it's mediums turn. Actually I would love to see the rise of the heavy, not just for arty reasons, but to have fun in heavies again. quote:Can I have my goddamn money back? 3 tier tens and they nerf it again to crybabies? 
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TheFluff posted:Counterbattery never loving happens, though. Like, I see it happen successfully in maybe one game out of fifty, if even that. I see it now and again near the start of a match. There's good spots for artillery like everything else and I guess some people are good at gauging shells where they see trees dropping or walls getting crushed.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:50
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James Garfield posted:Reminder that the same person made all these posts: When I still played this game 
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Jun 28, 2015 22:51
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The Southern Dandy posted:I have no idea what you copypasted had anything to with anything either. The mechanic brings TDs, heavies, and even mediums to heel. If you don't believe that, then watch a game. People scream for arty assistance. It's what I do. I... still don't understand how this is in any way a counter-argument to anything I said. I mean, if I'm getting shot at by arty, my own team's arty shooting their dudes doesn't really make me feel any better. Also, lol if you think relying on pubbies in this game is a thing.
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Actually even when there's artillery on my team I would rather they not be 'helping' me. Knowing that some other dude also got one shot by arty does nothing to alleviate randomly exploding for no reason, nor having to sit behind a rock all game to avoid randomly exploding for no reason. I'd have been fine if they just added dragons that randomly, unavoidably ate arty though! James Garfield fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 22:56
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TheFluff posted:I... still don't understand how this is in any way a counter-argument to anything I said. I mean, if I'm getting shot at by arty, my own team's arty shooting their dudes doesn't really make me feel any better. Also, lol if you think relying on pubbies in this game is a thing. The win doesn't rely on you, it finds itself it the team. Yes, that team is often tragic, but you getting one-shot doesn't matter much in the grand scheme. No, one should not rely on a pubby, but neither should one rely on the ineptitude of pubby arty. It's a double-edged sword.
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The Southern Dandy posted:Yes, that team is often tragic, but you getting one-shot doesn't matter much in the grand scheme.  Seriously though, we're sorta talking about completely different things here. From a statistical (win rate) viewpoint, arty is fine or maybe even underpowered. That's not what I'm talking about, though. I'm not saying arty makes me lose more than anything else in this game (note: the line above is a joke). I'm talking about how it's just not fun getting oneshot by something you can do absolutely nothing about. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 22:58
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TheFluff posted:If you have a >60% win rate it does. I'll begrudge that viewpoint. Bro-knucks, Fluff?
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Jun 28, 2015 23:04
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honestly they should trial no-arty mode like they did with confrontation and if by some chance people come crawling back to the status quo, they can always remove it. (bring back confrontation btw)
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Jun 28, 2015 23:10
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The Mauschen is allegedly such a lovely tank that not only are they not going to put it into the game in 9.9, they're going to take it out of the second 9.9 test. Also possibly going to not nerf pen due to the tests just not working.
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The Southern Dandy posted:I'll begrudge that viewpoint. Bro-knucks, Fluff? sure 
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Is it normal for the T-62A to keep going on fire? I just took it out for a first run and a Leopard PT lit me up twice with snap shots from the front. Which, as far as 'first game in a new tier X' goes, is a pretty loving lovely experience.
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:Is it normal for the T-62A to keep going on fire? I just took it out for a first run and a Leopard PT lit me up twice with snap shots from the front. Which, as far as 'first game in a new tier X' goes, is a pretty loving lovely experience. Welcome to Russian tanks!
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Hellsau posted:The Mauschen is allegedly such a lovely tank that not only are they not going to put it into the game in 9.9, they're going to take it out of the second 9.9 test. I cant imagine why something with terrible gun handling and tier 7 DPM "just wont work" in tier 9
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:Is it normal for the T-62A to keep going on fire? I just took it out for a first run and a Leopard PT lit me up twice with snap shots from the front. Which, as far as 'first game in a new tier X' goes, is a pretty loving lovely experience. Your fuel tank is quite prominent. Try not to get shot at.
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Hellsau posted:Welcome to Russian tanks! I play Soviets almost exclusively. I've never noticed it as a stand out problem before like, for instance, ammo racks in the mediums. I guess I'm just butthurt because after grinding six million credits and two hundred thousand experience I wasn't prepared for that to be my first experience in the tank. Ensign Expendable posted:Your fuel tank is quite prominent. Try not to get shot at. Is it a common enough problem to be worth trading Off-road Driving (counts-as fourth skill, at 76%) for preventative maintenance?
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:I'm not clanned up, and know nothing of strongholds unfortunately. This actually kind of works in your favor, if you don't mind not getting the little bonuses from the Stronghold Reserves; when you're clanless you can play as a legionnaire for any other clan doing their skirmishes. It's part of the reason my little brother's account is clanless. Also, you can do tier 8s in Team Battles, they're apparently still a thing. Some teams might object to the KV-4 though. 
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:I play Soviets almost exclusively. I've never noticed it as a stand out problem before like, for instance, ammo racks in the mediums. I guess I'm just butthurt because after grinding six million credits and two hundred thousand experience I wasn't prepared for that to be my first experience in the tank. Preventative Maintenance only affects the engine fire chance, IIRC. When your fuel tanks are destroyed, the chance of fire is 100%.
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ORD is pretty terrible though, so trade it for something else anyway.
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Off Road Driving does nothing. Preventative Maintenance isn't great since it's only engines. Repair, Camo, Smooth Ride, Clutch Braking, and BiA are all more useful driver skills, so you shouldn't have the two crap skills on the crew unless you've got an absurd Russian medium crew. Not having camo or repair on your Russian mediums is particularly foolish since they have great base camo and good repair times, and smooth ride is also great for even more snapshots.
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SR rumor mill posted:There will be no penetration nerf AT ALL, since the tests have shown that it didn't work. So no changes planned for now (at least summer and autumn will be without changes). Well no poo poo it didn't loving work, you barely touched the god drat gold shells. quote:Also, Mauschen will not be implemented (it will not be in 9.9 test 2 anymore) because it sucks, devs decided not to put it in. 
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The Southern Dandy posted:Well this thread has turned into wotforums.txt. See you in game. People don't agree with me, waaahh.
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TheFluff posted:Counterbattery never loving happens, though. Like, I see it happen successfully in maybe one game out of fifty, if even that. The only counterbattery I ever saw was a guy using banned mods that lit up enemy arty and he knocked out all 3 in his own. I honestly didn't mind it, gently caress arty.
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Cheers for the input. I'll look into re-speccing the next time there's a discount on it. At the moment my driver is SoS, Repairs, Camo, Smooth Ride, Off-road. So I'll switch out Off-road for Clutch. Then start her on Firefighting or something at the sixth, if I ever get them there.
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