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radical meme posted:Ok you defend the State of Texas and I'll represent the Plaintiffs and we'll see who gets hosed. I mean, are you going to point out what exactly about the AG opinion is a violation of the law? Because thus far, you haven't made a single coherent argument. It just says that a county clerk or other county employee has a right to find another employee to issue SSM licenses if doing so violates their religious beliefs, in the same way the law protects any employee. It doesn't really deal with the answer of what happens if no one willing to do it can be found. The full opinion is found here: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/opinions/opinions/51paxton/op/2015/kp0025.pdf It doesn't say that the counties shouldn't issue SSM licenses, or that clerks are allowed to refuse to let SSM licenses be issued in their country.
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Frankly, if it's easier to go after the clerks I say do so. Win enough cases and other clerks will take notice. Won't mean they'll comply, perhaps they'll find some new trick.
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Jun 29, 2015 02:53
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Most clerks are represented by district or county attorneys. In big counties, they'll be incredibly competent and will probably tell the clerks to issue licenses or face costly suits. In small counties, there is a very large skill/resource gap of the county/district attorneys. They may get themselves in trouble. I'm thinking places like Childress, herford, Kermit, etc. Plus side: probably very few ssm requests there.
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Man, went I went to work for a group of dirty hippie lawyers in like 2007 and everyone was pretty much in favor of Abbott the AG because he was making it a priority to allow single moms with no resources to go after their deadbeat exes. Now I seriously wonder if he will be a worse governor than Rick Motherfucking Perry. Also I've clearly been in Texas way too long because somewhere in the deep recesses of my mind I halfway thought that things might be about to get better because even if we had to have a total shithead Texas Republican governor at least it would be a Longhorn instead of an Aggie.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Most clerks are represented by district or county attorneys. In big counties, they'll be incredibly competent and will probably tell the clerks to issue licenses or face costly suits. Most of the big counties have started issuing them already anyway - unless by "big" you mean suburban stuff like Williamson or Bastrop.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Also I've clearly been in Texas way too long because somewhere in the deep recesses of my mind I halfway thought that things might be about to get better because even if we had to have a total shithead Texas Republican governor at least it would be a Longhorn instead of an Aggie. The ultimate defeat.
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Jun 29, 2015 04:39
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Thermos H Christ posted:
Gig em.
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Jun 29, 2015 05:14
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Badger of Basra posted:Most of the big counties have started issuing them already anyway - unless by "big" you mean suburban stuff like Williamson or Bastrop. I do. I suspect Williamson, Collin, and Denton will fall in line this week, because it'll cost a lot not to. I'm thinking more of 10-20k counties, where there are some really bad lawyers on staffs, or only one or two for that matter.
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Jun 29, 2015 11:45
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Just for practical purposes, marriage law is statewide right? A marriage license from Travis county issued to a Denton county couple is still valid, correct? Not that people should have to drive three hours to get a marriage license because of shithead county officials, but people will still be able to exercise their rights even if they have to go to Dallas or Austin while we wait for rural and suburban counties to stop stomping their feet, right?
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zoux posted:Just for practical purposes, marriage law is statewide right? A marriage license from Travis county issued to a Denton county couple is still valid, correct? Not that people should have to drive three hours to get a marriage license because of shithead county officials, but people will still be able to exercise their rights even if they have to go to Dallas or Austin while we wait for rural and suburban counties to stop stomping their feet, right? Yes, and any local institutions that wouldn't recognize the marriage license (I'm not really aware of any that use marriage licenses and aren't at least state-level) could easily be challenged in court.
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Yeah hopefully they'll just realize that they aren't actually accomplishing anything by refusing to issue licenses to same sex couples and don't want the cost and headache of a lawsuit and give in to the inevitable course of history. It's just pure petulance.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I do. I suspect Williamson, Collin, and Denton will fall in line this week, because it'll cost a lot not to. Speak of the devil nbcdfw.com posted:First Same Sex Marriage License Issued in Denton County
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I'm so loving sick of Abigail Fisher.
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Badger of Basra posted:I'm so loving sick of Abigail Fisher. I love her "quote" about how much damage she suffered. "Well, maybe I could've found an even better job then the good one I currently have. Why doesn't everyone agree that's a serious issue?"
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Ken Paxton's Very Bad Month continues as SCOTUS stays implementation of the ambulatory surgical center reqs. for abortion clinics while the case is under appeal. I believe that will keep 14 or so clinics operating that were supposed to close.
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zoux posted:Ken Paxton's Very Bad Month continues as SCOTUS stays implementation of the ambulatory surgical center reqs. for abortion clinics while the case is under appeal. I believe that will keep 14 or so clinics operating that were supposed to close. Yes! There have been a bunch of abortion wins this past couple of weeks
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zoux posted:Ken Paxton's Very Bad Month continues as SCOTUS stays implementation of the ambulatory surgical center reqs. for abortion clinics while the case is under appeal. I believe that will keep 14 or so clinics operating that were supposed to close. Hopefully the policing of gerrymandering ruling for Arizona can carry over into Texas because we need to stop that poo poo badly. Also a shame the clean air ruling was boiled down to "clean air is too expensive".  But yes! Hopefully a lot of the clinics down here, Rio Grande Valley, can stay open now because low income women's health is now pretty much translating into, traveling to Nuevo Progresso, or Reynosa, or Matamoros.
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Jiro posted:Also a shame the clean air ruling was boiled down to "clean air is too expensive".  from RGV! I'm glad the clinic's still open too, it's the only option left for a lot of women down here. Hopefully the Supreme Court will make them + us as happy in the fall as they did these last few days.
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Jiro posted:
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Y'all I'm afraid the Bluebell shutdown was just another plank in Obama's nefarious agenda for our fair and free statequote:Did the government shut down Blue Bell because of its two-part plan to both demoralize Texas and seize Blue Bell’s distribution centers and fleet of refrigerated trucks to use as “hidden-in-plain-sight” mobile morgues? And why did those trucks apparently have a military escort?
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Jun 30, 2015 19:02
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Mods requesting name change to "Fugazi Report"
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Isn't that problem that blue bell trucks transporting their listeria flavored treats were essentially a mobile morgue already?
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Bluebell being part of the Illuminati is something I can 100% believe as a sane and rational Texan. It fits too perfectly.
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Maybe that is why my hospital stopped carrying Blue Bell ice cream. I had no idea  .
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blackguy32 posted:Maybe that is why my hospital stopped carrying Blue Bell ice cream. I had no idea Yeah, hospitals were the one real place Blue Bell killed anyone.
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Trabisnikof posted:Yeah, hospitals were the one real place Blue Bell killed anyone. Yeah, I think we have some Blue Bunny poo poo now, and I had always imagined it as them cutting costs or something. But we haven't stocked in ice cream on our floor in a while so it could all just be coincidence.
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HEB Creamy Creations is the superior Texas ice cream and will stand against this federal tyranny
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karlor posted:HEB Creamy Creations is the superior Texas ice cream and will stand against this federal tyranny It is strange, the hospital vanilla blue bell ice cream was different than the actual stuff you bought at the store. I liked the hospital stuff and I don't really like the store bought stuff. But yes, I enjoy that 1903 vanilla flavor that HEB puts out.
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karlor posted:HEB Creamy Creations is the superior Texas ice cream and will stand against this federal tyranny The maybe one time a year I eat ice cream, that's the one I'd pick.
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karlor posted:HEB Creamy Creations is the superior Texas ice cream and will stand against this federal tyranny Kroger Private Selection is surprisingly good and they do a bunch of unique flavors. When I'm sitting out on my porch, amaretto cherry cordial is my personal favorite to eat while keeping an eye out for the FBI.
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Personally I trust any videos from this generation's Deep Throat, DAHBOO777.
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Paxton might be in some very serious trouble quote:The criminal investigation against Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has taken a more serious turn, with special prosecutors now planning to present a first-degree felony securities fraud case against him to a Collin County grand jury, News 8 has learned. 
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Are the Texas Rangers investigating that because Lege turned the corruption-investigating power over to them rather than the Travis County DA? Because it would be real funny if Paxton gets hosed because the Rangers are much better investigators.
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After seeing the GOP VA Governor go down in a mind numbingly hilarious scandal where he and his wife "separated" as a legal tactic to try and convince people she was infatuated with the donor and kept taking gifts for that reason, not to peddle influence I cannot wait for this TX case to blow up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...bbea_story.html quote:The jury’s verdict brings to a close a trial that seemed to grip the nation since it began in July with defense attorneys’ shocking revelation that the McDonnells’ marriage was shattered, and that would be a core element of their attempt to beat the charges. They broke up their marriage in an attempt to beat a court case. Party of family values.
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PostNouveau posted:Are the Texas Rangers investigating that because Lege turned the corruption-investigating power over to them rather than the Travis County DA? Because it would be real funny if Paxton gets hosed because the Rangers are much better investigators. Travis County DA said they didn't have jurisdiction. Nah, of the two DAs that could investigate one choose not to investigate and the other asked the Rangers to investigate because he had personal ties to Paxton.
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Shifty Pony posted:Paxton might be in some very serious trouble  Seriously though, I'm gonna be keeping an eye on this. I'm crossin all my fingers.
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Trabisnikof posted:Travis County DA said they didn't have jurisdiction. That's gonna be an awkward Thanksgiving if it turns out they're both family of some kind.
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Why are we so excited about this? If Paxton is kill, Abbott will just appoint someone in his place. Probably the exact same type of person. Remember Abbott was AG for 12 years.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Why are we so excited about this? If Paxton is kill, Abbott will just appoint someone in his place. Probably the exact same type of person. Remember Abbott was AG for 12 years. There is no exact same kind of person as Ken Paxton. He's literally the worse person that could credibly be in that office, minus like Jonathan Stickland or someone.
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