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How can someone be considered pro-Iraq war when they have later admitted to being wrong about that decision?
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A trumped up beauty pageant whose primary ratings competitor is a half-season replacement medieval musical called Gallivant is the number one news in Presidential primaries right now. Thank you, Donald Trump, for adding the seasoning to this election season.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:00
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Trump tries so hard to sound like Genghis Khan. "Weak, foolish NBC!"
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Jun 29, 2015 21:00
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I am running for President to Make our Country Great Again
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Jun 29, 2015 21:00
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Sorus posted:How can someone be considered pro-Iraq war when they have later admitted to being wrong about that decision? By being dishonest?
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Jun 29, 2015 21:01
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Job Truniht posted:By being dishonest? you know nobody likes the Iraq war or thinks it was a good idea anymore right
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Jun 29, 2015 21:03
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Job Truniht posted:By being dishonest? Their mouths say no, but their hearts say yes!
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Jun 29, 2015 21:04
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Sir Tonk posted:
When Trump is president I hope he continues using weird third person but really not in all his press releases.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:04
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Maybe now NBC can use that freed up timeslot and money to bring Hannibal back, a show better than any other on television right now. At least, until the first Republican debates.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:04
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Venom Snake posted:you know nobody likes the Iraq war or thinks it was a good idea anymore right She holds a bunch of unpopular views. Just read that whole list. I guarantee you that a full blown Syrian intervention would happen within her first term, no matter how bad of a loving idea that is. I'll  if it means I'm not loving around with this claim.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:06
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SedanChair posted:Trump tries so hard to sound like Genghis Khan. "Weak, foolish NBC!" Somebody call Ruben Bolling, because an actual Saturday Morning Cartoon villain is about to kick everyone off his golf course. Mr. Trump wants to make our country great again, and that's why I will crush the puny skulls of the weaklings!
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Jun 29, 2015 21:06
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a shameful boehner posted:Maybe now NBC can use that freed up timeslot and money to bring Hannibal back, a show better than any other on television right now. Somebody needs to watch The Americans. (Please do I don't want it cancelled either)
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Jun 29, 2015 21:08
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There really isn't any doubt that Hillary will lead an expansion of Syria intervention in her first term. Her only public beef with Obama since resigning as SoS has been to say he's too weak on Syria. She hasn't learned anything from Iraq or Libya.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:09
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Phosphene posted:Uh. Also remember when Trump posted that letter from Jorge Ramos? The one with his personal number on it? Holy poo poo, thats basically "haha, get doxxed bitch.". I cant believe this is happening, Im so happy.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:09
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:There really isn't any doubt that Hillary will lead an expansion of Syria intervention in her first term. Her only public beef with Obama since resigning as SoS has been to say he's too weak on Syria. She hasn't learned anything from Iraq or Libya. Libya was a success.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:12
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bpower posted:Holy poo poo, thats basically "haha, get doxxed bitch.". I cant believe this is happening, Im so happy. That's the saddest doxx I've ever seen.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:12
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We've come full circle. I've made my case before. If that doesn't convince you, if you guys are really that eager to support military adventurism and Cold War styled imperialism, so be it.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:13
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:There really isn't any doubt that Hillary will lead an expansion of Syria intervention in her first term. Her only public beef with Obama since resigning as SoS has been to say he's too weak on Syria. She hasn't learned anything from Iraq or Libya. It's easy for her to say now. Once she gets into office, the unpopularity of boots on the ground won't be any different than it is now.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:16
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Libya was a success. yeah a resounding success, we managed to transform a nation in a two way civil war into a nation in a four way civil war, and hand ISIS and al qaeda territory in northern Africa to boot
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Jun 29, 2015 21:16
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SedanChair posted:It's easy for her to say now. Once she gets into office, the unpopularity of boots on the ground won't be any different than it is now. That would be the best outcome.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:17
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i mean yeah, we got someone to stick a knife up that mad dog qaddafis butthole, which is i guess a success if the world is a 1980s action movie
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Jun 29, 2015 21:18
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I'm not sure that a regime that was using AA guns against protesters was one that was long for this world in any case.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:22
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:if the world is a 1980s action movie Well, we do have a bumbling villain calling his opponents "weak" and "foolish,' so...
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Jun 29, 2015 21:22
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An important claim went unchallenged here, which is that supporting Israel and doing something more effective (or at least more visible) about ISIS, Syria, Iraq and Ukraine are unpopular. I'd say the current state of affairs and Obama's foreign policy are somewhat unpopular because the Republicans have had an effective angle to hammer Obama on, since the situations in all of these affected countries have basically been getting worse and the options to do something about them besides watch them burn down have also worsened. Maybe you don't like the possibility that Hillary will be more aggressive in some ways in her foreign policy. Asserting that it would be unpopular, however, or that candidates will be running toward less intervention or involvement than Obama's had, though, seems a tall order. You didn't like the Libya intervention? It was basically as light as an intervention can get aside from Syria, unless you also want to come out against the Coalition airstrikes that helped save Kobane - which is actually a good example, because the U.S. wasn't even going to intervene to save Kobane until public pressure forced their hand, a clear case where a lack of action was unpopular. Why don't we discuss how the current appetite in the U.S. appears to be toward more action, and then discuss who we might prefer in charge of that effort between Clinton and Bush - or rather, any human alive on earth today and another Bush. If Bernie wants to try and campaign on continuing or scaling back Obama's level of foreign involvement he's welcome to, but I don't see much evidence of that making headlines yet. Gravel Gravy posted:I'm not sure that a regime that was using AA guns against protesters was one that was long for this world in any case. Counterpoint: Assad's still here, years later, because not even gas attacks could rouse the world enough to intervene.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:25
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Dolash posted:An important claim went unchallenged here, which is that supporting Israel and doing something more effective (or at least more visible) about ISIS, Syria, Iraq and Ukraine are unpopular. I'd say the current state of affairs and Obama's foreign policy are somewhat unpopular because the Republicans have had an effective angle to hammer Obama on, since the situations in all of these affected countries have basically been getting worse and the options to do something about them besides watch them burn down have also worsened. I can't wait for President Clinton to come in and start a few more wars in the Middle East! :iamafag:
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Jun 29, 2015 21:27
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Dolash posted:
Might need to rethink your position if the shining example for non-intervention in the Middle East is Syria.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:29
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Job Truniht posted:We've come full circle. I've made my case before. If that doesn't convince you, if you guys are really that eager to support military adventurism and Cold War styled imperialism, so be it. And the GOP is somehow less kill horny?
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Jun 29, 2015 21:31
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Gravel Gravy posted:Might need to rethink your position if the shining example for non-intervention in the Middle East is Syria. Maybe I misinterpreted, but if your point previously was intervening in Libya wasn't necessary to bring down Qaddafi because his tactics were brutal so he'd be overthrown, well, Syria is the example of why that doesn't have to be the case. Anyway, being completely anti-intervention still means saying it would've been better for ISIS to overrun Kobane, if Libya's too tricky a needle to thread, and it's still an example that for Presidential politics reasons it might be hard to run without offering some kind of action on these wars instead of more wait-and-see. Dolash fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Jun 29, 2015 21:31
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Feather posted:"Red vs. Blue" is a childishly simplistic lens through which to view this complicated system of government we have. Considering how often posters in this forum (correctly) accuse the GOP of acting like spoiled schoolyard brats, this shouldn't come as any surprise.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:33
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Trump is making this election much more entertaining. I hope he lasts for a while in the Republican Primary.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:34
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Job Truniht posted:She holds a bunch of unpopular views. Just read that whole list. I guarantee you that a full blown Syrian intervention would happen within her first term, no matter how bad of a loving idea that is. I'll As if you weren't getting banned before January 2021.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:35
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Dolash posted:Maybe I misinterpreted, but if your point previously was intervening in Libya wasn't necessary to bring down Qaddafi because his tactics were brutal so he'd be overthrown, well, Syria is the example of why that doesn't have to be the case. Nah, my point was in response to: Sheng-ji Yang posted:yeah a resounding success, we managed to transform a nation in a two way civil war into a nation in a four way civil war, and hand ISIS and al qaeda territory in northern Africa to boot Would Gadaffi still be in power if nobody intervened? Not sure, though any Western democracy would be hard pressed not to take the opportunity to recognize the NTC and afterwards not providing some support without seeming impotent. The idea though that Libya would be better off had Gadaffi burned 75% of the country is debatable.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:36
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Dolash posted:Maybe I misinterpreted, but if your point previously was intervening in Libya wasn't necessary to bring down Qaddafi because his tactics were brutal so he'd be overthrown, well, Syria is the example of why that doesn't have to be the case. What American military intervention in the Middle East has been, in the long term, a success. Only one I can think of is the Barbary Wars, and even then we had to fight two of em.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:36
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Gravel Gravy posted:Would Gadaffi still be in power if nobody intervened? Not sure, though any Western democracy would be hard pressed not to take the opportunity to recognize the NTC and afterwards not providing some support without seeming impotent. Gaddafi was a terrible rear end in a top hat tyrant but him retaking power was probably preferable to ISIS and Al Qaeda controlling large swaths of the country and the rest divided between anarchic militias fighting a seemingly endless civil war.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:38
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:What American military intervention in the Middle East has been, in the long term, a success. Only one I can think of is the Barbary Wars, and even then we had to fight two of em. Not sure if you'd rank it the same since we didn't send actual troops in, but the US telling Britain, France, and Israel to knock it the gently caress off during the Suez Crisis wasn't the worst thing we've ever done.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:40
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Gaddafi was a terrible rear end in a top hat tyrant but him retaking power was probably preferable to ISIS and Al Qaeda controlling large swaths of the country and the rest divided between anarchic militias fighting a seemingly endless civil war. Assuming he'd be able to retake power in the first place. Don't suppose there is any precedent for ISIS/al-Qaeda using a civil-war to further there own faction in other states is there?
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Jun 29, 2015 21:41
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:What American military intervention in the Middle East has been, in the long term, a success. Only one I can think of is the Barbary Wars, and even then we had to fight two of em. Every and no action anywhere is a success or failure depending on your definition of "longterm".
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Jun 29, 2015 21:41
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Venom Snake posted:you know nobody likes the Iraq war or thinks it was a good idea anymore right Ask Jeb. And then ask him again four days later.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:42
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Mister Macys posted:Considering how often posters in this forum (correctly) accuse the GOP of acting like spoiled schoolyard brats, this shouldn't come as any surprise. That is a really fair point.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:44
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I think we should just let California burn. Every year there's a new forest fire and no effort really seems to have any long term effect.
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