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Dolash posted:That's pretty much in line with what Obama's done so far. His opinion on Ukraine would also be useful to help situate his foreign policy stance, but since Obama's pretty much doing the bare minimum at the moment I suppose at worst Sanders would roll back the sanctions and stop providing what little aid is being offered, I suppose that might signal to Putin that it's safe to just annex Eastern Ukraine the way he did Crimea but basically pretty in line with Obama's current policies. He might also change policies concerning Yemen or the drone program and while those are important issues in their own right they're somewhat smaller parts of the overall "reduced/non-intervention" stance. I think she's part of the "no deal is better than a bad deal" camp. The actual one, not the one where you say that and then try and drive through a deal just to say you accomplished something in foreign policy in 8 years.
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Dolash posted:That's pretty much in line with what Obama's done so far. His opinion on Ukraine would also be useful to help situate his foreign policy stance, but since Obama's pretty much doing the bare minimum at the moment I suppose at worst Sanders would roll back the sanctions and stop providing what little aid is being offered, I suppose that might signal to Putin that it's safe to just annex Eastern Ukraine the way he did Crimea but basically pretty in line with Obama's current policies. He might also change policies concerning Yemen or the drone program and while those are important issues in their own right they're somewhat smaller parts of the overall "reduced/non-intervention" stance. My overall impression is that Clinton is more hawkish and interventionist than Obama, and that Sanders is significantly less so when it comes to starting new fights. In terms of handling ongoing situations, though, I think he'd be likely to cautiously step things down over time rather than rush to disengage. We're talking specifically in terms of military intervention/engagement here, though. I don't think Sanders is isolationist, just that he would lean more heavily on diplomacy and negotiation and set a higher bar for the use of military force - especially unilateral force, which I see as a key distinction. e: I agree that it would be interesting to hear Sanders' thoughts on the Ukraine situation. I don't know if he's addressed it publicly or not. If anyone finds something, I'd love a link. Supraluminal fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:Question: Is NBC scheduled to broadcast any Republican Primary or straight any of the general election debates? Out of the nine debates the RNC have already sanctioned, CNBC has one in October and NBC/Telemundo is doing one in February.
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Joementum posted:Rick Perry explains Texas like you're five. Texas is just never going to forgive us for stealing SEMATECH's headquarters, are they?
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Pohl posted:How many people have to point out how disingenuous you are before you start to even loving think about the idea? No. Either you shut up, or defend her foreign policy. She was Secretary of State. She wrote a whole book about it, and how unapologetic she was about her record. That reversal of her view on Iraq in no way reflects or ideology or her voting record. There is absolutely nothing but her word to verify her claim. I get that Hillary supporters are genuinely interested in blindly defending any and all of her policies without any serious consideration. The political base she's trying to build is just a mash of feel good bullshit and a set contradicting ideas: pseudo populism social liberalism, a very conservative foreign policy, and a pro-Wall Street economic policies. Things will fall apart because of it, and you're going to get everything you deserve.
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Job Truniht posted:No. Either you shut up, or defend her foreign policy. She was Secretary of State. She wrote a whole book about it, and how unapologetic she was about her record. That reversal of her view on Iraq in no way reflects or ideology or her voting record. There is absolutely nothing but her word to verify her claim. I'm not a Hillary supporter I'm just tired of you making GBS threads up the thread. We get it, you feel strongly about your opinion. I appreciate that. Your opinion doesn't have to dominate the thread, however.
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I may have missed this earlier but Jindal apparently said this to Chuck Todd on Sunday:quote:If I were afraid of polls, we wouldn't have privatized our charity hospital system, we wouldn't cut our state budget 26%, wouldn't have cut over 30,000 state government bureaucrats, wouldn't have done statewide school choice. Those are things he's proud of'; things the GOP wants to do on a national scale. What kind of christian salivates over turning a charity hospital into a for profit entity?
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Supraluminal posted:My overall impression is that Clinton is more hawkish and interventionist than Obama, and that Sanders is significantly less so when it comes to starting new fights. In terms of handling ongoing situations, though, I think he'd be likely to cautiously step things down over time rather than rush to disengage. I think the only place he could really step down militarily at the moment compared to Obama is easing off of ISIS and providing aid to Iraq. Starting new fights is a bit of an intangible outside of the situations that are already ongoing, beyond that you're probably right that if something unexpected happened people's gut instinct is Sanders is the least likely to get militarily involved. I'm curious if Hillary being more hawkish and interventionist will be as big of an impediment as it was in 2008, which was basically the peak of Iraq war fatigue as everyone came around to how stupid that invasion in particular was. The last eight years have seen a lot of situations reach the boiling point and there's at least some appetite for more proactive steps to fight groups like ISIS (something they've deliberately cultivated in hopes of a rash overreaction, true) or help Ukraine. I wonder if it's possible to thread the needle where Hillary can actually run on being more engaged than Obama while still differentiating herself from the Republican approach of massive invasions. I guess we might have to wait and see if someone really will broach foreign policy in the primary to see if attitudes have changed.
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radical meme posted:I may have missed this earlier but Jindal apparently said this to Chuck Todd on Sunday: Those are all horrible things. I will say, most charity hospitals already earn millions in profits and function just like private hospitals so at least he helped to make them honest.
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Pohl posted:Those are all horrible things. I will say, most charity hospitals already earn millions in profits and function just like private hospitals so at least he helped to make them honest. I think maybe if we had two separate primary threads it might be better. You could have one where people scream about  and another for the yucks that are coming from the GOP clown car. (More of a clown rig at this point)
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Pohl posted:I'm not a Hillary supporter I'm just tired of you making GBS threads up the thread. We get it, you feel strongly about your opinion. I appreciate that. Alright, I'll stop Job Truniht fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Nessus posted:What do they do with those profits though? I mean they could plow that money into capital improvements, hiring a new penis doctor, starting a fund to cover cancer treatments for the indigent. They overpay the executives, deny service to anything really costly, and then expand. They buy out every single independent doctor in their market, and when they've done that, they look at outside counties or states. If they need to, they build expansive hospitals in low density communities. It is all a loving tax dodge. They aren't helping the poor, because they have an extensive screening process that determines if you can pay. If they say you can pay (you almost always can), they come after you hard. If you can't, the government pays for it. Then they still come after you. They aren't charity at loving all.
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Job Truniht posted:Show where it was. It was proven, sorry. Where are the current Libyan secret prisons run by the US military? Last I checked they got evacuated post Benghazi. The Europeans did act on their own and did start first.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:He made quite a bit of noise about getting into the race last year, I wanna saw well before Bernie had made any real moves at all, and certainly prior to the universe deciding it needed to gutpunch Biden at least one more time. Yeah but other polls have dropped him already. It just seems like at this point if a candidate hasn't at least done some real campaigning or actually (un)officially announced then he should not appear in this kind of poll. Nessus posted:What do they do with those profits though? I mean they could plow that money into capital improvements, hiring a new penis doctor, starting a fund to cover cancer treatments for the indigent. The last time I worked at a "non-profit" hospital, internal communicationd unironically referred to patients as "units of revenue." It was the kind of thing that made clear why all the decisions about "capital improvements" and exhorbitant executives' salaries were made the way they were. Feather fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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radical meme posted:I may have missed this earlier but Jindal apparently said this to Chuck Todd on Sunday: Government jobs aren't real jobs.
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Joementum posted:New campaign logo for Carson:
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EasyEW posted:Out of the nine debates the RNC have already sanctioned, CNBC has one in October and NBC/Telemundo is doing one in February. Well, sounds like we'll have some extra Trump drama come October I hope!
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Joementum posted:New campaign logo for Carson: Someone used Photoshops ruler and made sure the letters lined up this time. I'm very proud of them.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:What world do you live in that foreign policy is ever done by any nation out of altruism? "Eh, may as well" low-cost interventions to make oneself look good or prevent regions from collapsing into much more expensive hellholes may as well be altruism. (The pragmatism comes in which pending hellscapes get ignored.)
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Nintendo Kid posted:The Europeans did act on their own and did start first. You must have a gift for twisting words for that to be true.
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Those wacky rapists are at it again! http://www.wbez.org/news/culture/local-brewery-turns-tap-trump-112272 quote:Local brewery turns off the tap for Trump
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Joementum posted:New campaign logo for Carson: -cars on america? -Oh, Ben Carson. -Wait what was with Carson America?
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Does this hurt the valuation on his brand name? Are there any Trump Products marketed in Spanish?
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Mister Macys posted:Those wacky rapists are at it again! Were gonna need a bigger thread 
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bpower posted:Were gonna need a bigger thread 80% of the posts in this thread are about how unstable Lybia and Syria are.
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Like, did he make eye contact with the black families in the audience while he said that?
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Gee. Thanks. Nobody had ever noticed that until you pointed it out.
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Feather posted:80% of the posts in this thread are about how unstable Lybia and Syria are. I think we're only about 5 posts from Team Bernie agreeing that Hillary is "the lamb without blemish" while Team Hillary accepts that Bernie is "the way the truth and light". I mean, it's not like we're going to argue for pages and pages and months on end in a futile attempt to get other people to agree that the elephant in the room is in fact huge, not jumbo.
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Feather posted:80% of the posts in this thread are about how unstable Lybia and Syria are. Libyas, labias and LGBTs, oh my.
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It's pretty bold to go an event called the Aspen Ideas Festival and say "Welp, I got nothing, any of you have any ideas?" sexy fucking muskrat fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Zelder posted:Like, did he make eye contact with the black families in the audience while he said that? I don't know if you have noticed but slavery is pretty bad. Maybe if we worked together we could find some ideas to make things better.
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The best part of Trump getting kicked off his own reality TV shows is that his schedule has just opened up to double-down on his campaign. Before we were just looking forward to counting how many debates he would be able to ruin with his presence, but now we can also run a tally on how many business partnerships he scuttles before he finally calls it quits. Or maybe Fox News / the RNC will follow suit and disavow him for is
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Voyager I posted:The best part of Trump getting kicked off his own reality TV shows is that his schedule has just opened up to double-down on his campaign. Before we were just looking forward to counting how many debates he would be able to ruin with his presence, but now we can also run a tally on how many business partnerships he scuttles before he finally calls it quits. Trump has always had a firm expiration date, when he has to file a formal financial disclosure and not that B.S. he published already, he won't do it. That only goes into one, maybe two debates.
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WOW wrong thread sorry
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Gyges posted:I think we're only about 5 posts from Team Bernie agreeing that Hillary is "the lamb without blemish" while Team Hillary accepts that Bernie is "the way the truth and light". I mean, it's not like we're going to argue for pages and pages and months on end in a futile attempt to get other people to agree that the elephant in the room is in fact huge, not jumbo. The elephant is yooge.
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Please let him be Joe the Plumber 2016... Please let him be Joe the Plumber 2016... Please let him be Joe the Plumber 2016...
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Bel Shazar posted:Please let him be Joe the Plumber 2016... Please let him be Joe the Plumber 2016... Please let him be Joe the Plumber 2016... Only if he promises to wear that hat at all public appearances.
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