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Back to Ultimatum chat, is there a thread where people discussed it as it came out? Would anybody have a link handy?
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I never read Ultimatum. I did, however, read the Ultimatum Edit. http://4thletter.net/category/features/ultimate-edit-week/
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Jun 29, 2015 16:50
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Calaveron posted:Back to Ultimatum chat, is there a thread where people discussed it as it came out? Would anybody have a link handy? It was mostly "What the gently caress is this poo poo?" over and over again.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:55
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Uthor posted:I never read Ultimatum. I did, however, read the Ultimatum Edit. That really was fun. I can't believe people who did read both the "real" and our versions said that what Gavok and I did made more sense than the actual comics when we had Hawkeye chase Spider-Man down for Twinkies and Thor was Asgardian Santa.
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Jun 30, 2015 03:30
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ManiacClown posted:That really was fun. I can't believe people who did read both the "real" and our versions said that what Gavok and I did made more sense than the actual comics when we had Hawkeye chase Spider-Man down for Twinkies and Thor was Asgardian Santa. As someone who read this I can confirm that not only was it more entertaining, but yes, it made much more sense. It at least followed it's own internal logic and was consistent in it's madness, unlike the real poo poo.
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Jun 30, 2015 04:51
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I don't have the panels handy but last week's Injustice was hilarious. WW going full blown mental and kicking the poo poo out of Superman, with the last panel being her breaking his arm while Bats just has a HUGE loving  grin is hilarious. Even better, Catwoman is just like  "How did I even GET involved this bullshit?"
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Jun 30, 2015 10:08
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I don't have the panels handy but last week's Injustice was hilarious. WW going full blown mental and kicking the poo poo out of Superman, with the last panel being her breaking his arm while Bats just has a HUGE loving Wait, I thought the Injustice comic was all a prequel to the game, and in the game WW's full on Supes' side.
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Jun 30, 2015 14:37
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AnonSpore posted:Wait, I thought the Injustice comic was all a prequel to the game, and in the game WW's full on Supes' side. They're taking their sweet time getting there by having the most awesome and insane story you can think of.
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Jun 30, 2015 14:43
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The Injustice comic has gone way off that map iirc and is now basically its own thing.
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Jun 30, 2015 14:43
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It pretty much went from "hilariously bad" to "holy poo poo awesome" and has swung back to "bad" after Tom Taylor left.
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Jun 30, 2015 14:50
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I don't have the panels handy but last week's Injustice was hilarious. WW going full blown mental and kicking the poo poo out of Superman, with the last panel being her breaking his arm while Bats just has a HUGE loving Meanwhile, the whole time, Harley Quinn is trying to turn the entire thing into a Hunger Games fanfic.    Overall, it's not a bad series. It has it's stupid moments, but I also like how focused it is.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:13
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I should save those panels as exhibit A for why I loathe most Harley Quinn the same way I loathe most Deadpool.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:19
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mind the walrus posted:I should save those panels as exhibit A for why I loathe most Harley Quinn the same way I loathe most Deadpool. Like good Deadpool stories, Injustice mixes in some pathos for Harley. It's the best non-cartoon depiction I've seen of her*. *admittedly, I haven't seen a whole lot of non-cartoon depictions of her, though
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Jun 30, 2015 15:24
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mind the walrus posted:I should save those panels as exhibit A for why I loathe most Harley Quinn the same way I loathe most Deadpool. TwoPair posted:I'll admit the "Wonder Woman-- the Girl On Fire!" line got a good chuckle out of me because while references don't usually equate to humor in my mind, every now and then one just hits. redbackground fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 15:31
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I'll admit the "Wonder Woman-- the Girl On Fire!" line got a good chuckle out of me because while references don't usually equate to humor in my mind, every now and then one just hits.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:36
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redbackground posted:Those aren't that hot. Everything involving her, Ollie and/or Black Canary earlier on was drat fine work by Taylor, though. I've heard that but the few panels I've seen posted around didn't really sell me on it. Then again I haven't read the full thing so I'm not going to be too dismissive. Harley can be a really excellent character, but it feels like there's four competing versions of her and the latter two consistently neutralize what's great about the first two: 1. The tragic woman abused by the predatory man she fell for, reclaiming her identity, which is a superlative arc and what most fans I've met fall back on to justify her even though it's only her origin arc at most. 2. The incredible variety of outfits and fun combat styles her red/black "sexy clown" motif can support which is the biggest reason for her continued popularity through memetic imagery like cosplay and merchandise, which I'm 110% in support of. 3. The directionless nothing her character becomes the instant you finish her origin arc, which she shares in common with characters like Hawkman and has writers trying to staple anything they can onto her in the hopes that it sticks. 4. The "Deadpool w/tits" meme factory which is absolutely insufferable and near-impossible to do well.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:41
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Well, the thing about Injustice is that, since Joker's dead, Harley has to kind of find out how to exist independently. The interesting part about it (from what I've read) is that, without Joker's influence, she's turning out to be a not-so-bad person.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:47
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mind the walrus posted:I've heard that but the few panels I've seen posted around didn't really sell me on it. Then again I haven't read the full thing so I'm not going to be too dismissive. I'd argue there is a fifth version of her. 5. The devious Harleen Quinzelle. The woman who in the end cares about herself above everyone else. The character who does bad stuff and screws other people over, just to get what she wants. She isn't as popular because for some fans her existence conflicts with versions 1 and 2 of Harley, but in many ways it is just a valid interpretation of her.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:51
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Phylodox posted:Well, the thing about Injustice is that, since Joker's dead, Harley has to kind of find out how to exist independently. The interesting part about it (from what I've read) is that, without Joker's influence, she's turning out to be a not-so-bad person. That's not exactly a new arc though. Harley had a cheesecake solo series from like 15 years ago where she basically did the same thing. No one seems to be able to make that arc memorable. I guess what gets me is that for all her faux-Deadpool schtick they fail to borrow the one thing that makes Deadpool tolerable-- Harley is supposedly a loving PhD yet we never see her drop the Art Deco Juggalo schtick to offset her juvenile disposition like we do Deadpool's tactical/emotional depth. Even when it's time to get "serious" she still talks like a sheltered 16 year-old. The Question IRL posted:I'd argue there is a fifth version of her. Oh yeah, her. That interpretation makes sense given that no one could ever actually hang out with the Joker for more than a day without seeing someone get straight-up tortured and if DC really wanted to reform her she'd have to face that, but it's been downplayed because she's the best bait for casual fans that DC has found in the last 30 years bar none. Like I'd be surprised if they focus on that part of her at all even in the new Suicide Squad movie despite that looking for all intents and purposes like the exact stand-alone format where that would make the most thematic sense. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 15:53
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Well, that version is also, much like Joker himself, literally impossible to tell solo stories about without fundamentally breaking the conceit for the superhero genre. There's a reason that even when 'bad guys' get series, they're usually either pretending to be good guys, or have become full-on antiheroes, because otherwise you're reading about a mad clown slicing up kids with a razor (or, yes, exploding them with Game Boys) and never getting comeuppance.
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Jun 30, 2015 16:02
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mind the walrus posted:1. The tragic woman abused by the predatory man she fell for, reclaiming her identity, which is a superlative arc and what most fans I've met fall back on to justify her even though it's only her origin arc at most.
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Jun 30, 2015 16:55
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mind the walrus posted:
There's a bit in Injustice when she gets pissed off at Doctor Fate because he goes by Doctor and has no medical knowledge.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:15
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Gaz-L posted:or have become full-on antiheroes Isn't this exactly what DC has been trying to do with her, surprisingly unsuccessfully, for like a decade now? Gaz-L posted:Well, that version is also, much like Joker himself, literally impossible to tell solo stories about without fundamentally breaking the conceit for the superhero genre. I don't buy it, because the version of Harley described The Question IRL isn't incompatible with antiheroics at all. If anything it makes her more of an antihero in the vein of a Tony Soprano or Walter White, something that's only a bad thing if you're insistent that the character be aimed exclusively at 8 year-olds.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:22
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All I know is both comic-cons I've been to in the last 4 years have had a lot of Harley cosplayers and each one of them came off as trailer-park caricatures the moment they opened their mouth. Just like every Joker they were with came off as "Juggalo in a goodwill suit"
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Jun 30, 2015 17:44
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Booblord Zagats posted:All I know is both comic-cons I've been to in the last 4 years have had a lot of Harley cosplayers and each one of them came off as trailer-park caricatures the moment they opened their mouth. Just like every Joker they were with came off as "Juggalo in a goodwill suit" Well no poo poo. They are literally violent clowns whose entire worldview is how sweet chaos is.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:37
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Travis343 posted:Well no poo poo. They are literally violent clowns whose entire worldview is how sweet chaos is. Next you'll be shocked to hear every Deadpool cosplayer we talked to was an pimply skinny kid who has a bad relationship with their parents
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Jun 30, 2015 18:56
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Look, I understand that conceptually John Constantine is a great character, but every cosplayer I met of him sounded like Dick Van Dyke's character from Mary Poppins only they wouldn't stop saying "wanker," so obviously he's a poo poo. The Flash sucks, I've yet to meet a single cosplayer who could run a four minute mile, let alone a fraction of the speed of light.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:29
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Evil Mastermind posted:It pretty much went from "hilariously bad" to "holy poo poo awesome" and has swung back to "bad" after Tom Taylor left. I thought it was great from the get-go during Taylor's run. To my mind it straight up ended when he left, which is a shame because I was really hoping to see what he'd do with Ares and Bane and all those other loose ends. He made that comic 10 times better than it had any right to be, it's a crying shame he didn't get to finish it. Although I think he wasn't that interested in doing so, anyway.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:49
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Lurdiak posted:I thought it was great from the get-go during Taylor's run. To my mind it straight up ended when he left, which is a shame because I was really hoping to see what he'd do with Ares and Bane and all those other loose ends. He made that comic 10 times better than it had any right to be, it's a crying shame he didn't get to finish it. Although I think he wasn't that interested in doing so, anyway. Once things really hit their stride, I never got the impression that Taylor was trying to write to the story of the video game. He had the basic origin idea, but just went with it instead of trying too hard to connect the backstory to the game. After all, he had five years to come up with, and he was smart enough to realize that he pretty much had carte blanche to do what he wanted.
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Jun 30, 2015 20:10
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Skwirl posted:only they wouldn't stop saying "wanker" This isn't an accurate portrayal of Brits? TwoPair fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 20:39
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It is not. Why would we ever limit ourselves to a single insult?
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Jun 30, 2015 20:57
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Travis343 posted:Well no poo poo. They are literally violent clowns whose entire worldview is how sweet chaos is. Nah, Juggalos are actually all about Jesus.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:10
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Skwirl posted:There's a bit in Injustice when she gets pissed off at Doctor Fate because he goes by Doctor and has no medical knowledge.
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Jun 30, 2015 22:05
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TheJoker138 posted:Nah, Juggalos are actually all about Jesus. That's just the founders trying to get declassed as a gang by the FBI. The vast majority of juggalos are just angry, chubby and socially awkward teens to twenty somethings who want to get a drunken handy from someone in grease paint
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Jun 30, 2015 23:02
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Booblord Zagats posted:That's just the founders trying to get declassed as a gang by the FBI. The vast majority of juggalos are just angry, chubby and socially awkward teens to twenty somethings who want to get a drunken handy from someone in grease paint Huh, I always thought it was a weird troll when they did that. Now it actually makes sense.
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Jun 30, 2015 23:35
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Booblord Zagats posted:The vast majority of juggalos are just angry, chubby and socially awkward teens to twenty somethings who want to get a drunken handy from someone in grease paint I was going to make a joke about this being Homestuck cosplayers, and then Unlucky7 comes in and talks about trolls, so...
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Jun 30, 2015 23:36
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Booblord Zagats posted:That's just the founders trying to get declassed as a gang by the FBI. The vast majority of juggalos are just angry, chubby and socially awkward teens to twenty somethings who want to get a drunken handy from someone in grease paint Nah, the Jesus thing came about way, way before they got classified as a gang.
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Jul 1, 2015 00:00
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goatface posted:It is not. Why would we ever limit ourselves to a single insult? Especially when there's just something about a Brit's casual use of "oval office" that for some reason I find hysterical.
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Jul 1, 2015 00:52
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Especially when there's just something about a Brit's casual use of "oval office" that for some reason I find hysterical. Eh, that's a localised thing here I think. Like, back home in Glasgow I'd lay down c-word after c-word without batting an eye, and the first person I remember ever saying it was my sweet old grandmother, but where I am now, occasionally people look at you funny for it.
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Prison Warden posted:Eh, that's a localised thing here I think. Like, back home in Glasgow I'd lay down c-word after c-word without batting an eye, and the first person I remember ever saying it was my sweet old grandmother, but where I am now, occasionally people look at you funny for it. All I know is when I first read JK Rowling's "The Casual Vacancy", the sheer amount of them made me comment aloud "This is the weirdest Harry Potter book yet."
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