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Lady Gaza posted:Oh, good. Because militarisation of the police has worked so well in the US, hasn't it? Why is the default comparison always a hysterical overwrought fear of America? Multiple countries in Europe not only routinely arm their police but also have literal uniformed paramilitaries - the Spanish Guardia Civil, the Italian Carabinieri, the French Gendarmerie, and others - patrolling the streets.  Somehow they get by without daily dramas. EDIT: November 1958 - Kruschchev emulates that Hero And Guide Of Socialism, Stalin, by demanding West Berlin be abandoned. This would culminate in the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961, which over 130 would die on escaping the glory of the People's Revolution. kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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But our government has its tongue so far up America's rear end in a top hat it's tasting stomach acid.
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Other than possibly the met, our police force suffers more with apathy than antipathy towards civlilians, however. My chief complaint is that it's dumb and a waste of money that could be spent on saving lives elsewhere other than the paltry handful of potentially well-to-do people who might possibly die if someone maybe perpetrates a multi-hour shooting spree. In the time it takes to mobilise the armed police the majority of people will probably already be dead, it's an exercise in political masturbation and bugger all else.
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Guavanaut posted:But I'm sure they'll be better and no longer married to oppressive policies if you just gave them a hug! Reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that Russell Brand is 40 years old. Try to bear this in mind next time he starts talking like a first year politics student trying to organise a wee re-run of the occupy movement. I can't quite decide if he's sincerely thick or just plays the dumb teenager who thinks he has the world figured out.
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kapparomeo posted:Why is the default comparison always a hysterical overwrought fear of America? Multiple countries in Europe not only routinely arm their police but also have literal uniformed paramilitaries - the Spanish Guardia Civil, the Italian Carabinieri, the French Gendarmerie, and others - patrolling the streets. the gendarmeries are an interesting choice of comparison here, because they are literally there to make it so that civilian police doesn't get overly militarised
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Jun 30, 2015 18:11
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like, that's why they have them, so the regular police force can do regular police things and the military units-with-police training are kept off for the purposes that need military units with police training
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Jun 30, 2015 18:12
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Like issuing speeding fines.
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winegums posted:Reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that Russell Brand is 40 years old. Try to bear this in mind next time he starts talking like a first year politics student trying to organise a wee re-run of the occupy movement. I can't quite decide if he's sincerely thick or just plays the dumb teenager who thinks he has the world figured out. Possibly he may just never have had a real job, be excessively wealthy, and do lots of drugs.
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We already have a domestic sas-style force to deal with heavily armed terrorist gunmen. It's the sas.
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Oberleutnant posted:We already have a domestic sas-style force to deal with heavily armed terrorist gunmen. It's the sas.
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Well I mean the military has not traditionally been very good at not shooting civilians when fighting around them which is why most places with militarized police divisions have them and don't just use their regular army units. And it's not like there have been high profile issues with using the SAS in counterterrorism in the past, but I guess we could just do that?
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OwlFancier posted:Well I mean the military has not traditionally been very good at not shooting civilians when fighting around them which is why most places with militarized police divisions have them and don't just use their regular army units. And it's not like there have been high profile issues with using the SAS in counterterrorism in the past, but I guess we could just do that?
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Guavanaut posted:You could argue that at least without the UK, Brussels would have less of a mandate for their continued fuckery of the poorer EU countries. Germany and France would probably just take over additional loving duties though. We arent involved in that anyway, since we arent in the Euro.
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I was sort of thinking the guy who got shot in the head by I think an SAS member on the tube a while back actually but NI would also work. My point is broadly that the military aren't specifically trained to behave like police, there is a lot of similarity between armed police and military forces but they face distinctly different challenges, or are at least trained to do different things. Soldiers are trained to kill people first and maybe not kill some people if it will cause an incident, armed police generally aren't.
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but the entire purpose of this unit is to respond to armed gunmen attacking civilians so who on earth is going to even attempt an arrest? That's the one situation where probably 99% of people can agree that violence by police is not only justified but necessary to protect innocent lives.
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OwlFancier posted:I was sort of thinking the guy who got shot in the head by I think an SAS member on the tube a while back actually but NI would also work. Jean Charles de Menezes was shot by the Met police. Not any type of soldier.
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I am admittedly assuming they may be used for hostage situations and stuff rather than only loony gunmen on the street if only because someone will need to justify the expense at some point. Developing a police unit solely to counter loony gunmen on the street is about as practical and necessary as developing an anti-lighting-strike unit of the NHS. Cerv posted:Jean Charles de Menezes was shot by the Met police. Not any type of soldier. The brazillian fella on the tube? I thought it came out that the person who shot him was on loan from the SAS or something and there was a bit of a fuss made about it? Might have been a false report though.
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OwlFancier posted:I am admittedly assuming they may be used for hostage situations and stuff rather than only loony gunmen on the street if only because someone will need to justify the expense at some point. 
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OwlFancier posted:The brazillian fella on the tube? I thought it came out that the person who shot him was on loan from the SAS or something and there was a bit of a fuss made about it? Might have been a false report though. A lot of things came out about it. Most of it turned out to be bollocks fed to the press in order to keep heat off of the cops who royally hosed up.
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Gonzo McFee posted:A lot of things came out about it. Most of it turned out to be bollocks fed to the press in order to keep heat off of the cops who royally hosed up.
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Guavanaut posted:He had a gun in a shoebox, but before we shot he threw it so hard that it landed by a fence in Tottenham 6 years later. Can't decide whether this is  or  or both.
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Guavanaut posted:He had a gun in a shoebox, but before we shot he threw it so hard that it landed by a fence in Tottenham 6 years later. 42nd most dangerous man in Europe, or so they say.
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Gonzo McFee posted:42nd most dangerous man in Europe, or so they say. I'm pretty sure there are more Tory MPs than that
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Jun 30, 2015 21:23
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Update on Exeter bomb scare. They weren't bombs. They weren't even pretend bombs. An electrician dumped a couple of bags of old wires and stuff in a skip. Another man swiped them from the skip, decided he didn't want them, and dumped them. Genius.
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Welp, despite the hellish commute home today, and the fact that commuting to work and back tomorrow and Thursday is going to be horrific because of Operation Stack, I still say its better than taking the train. My left leg might disagree, but what does it know anyway? I was supposed to be going to France this weekend, given the trouble in Calais it should be interesting how that pans out.
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Ludicro posted:Welp, despite the hellish commute home today, and the fact that commuting to work and back tomorrow and Thursday is going to be horrific because of Operation Stack, I still say its better than taking the train. My left leg might disagree, but what does it know anyway? The Tunnel is open but there's still a lot of trouble with the refugees... you might want to put it off a bit
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Bloody Muslims coming over here and taking all our jobs.
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which one of you was this: Man evicted from shared flat after cooking and eating poo-filled pasty A TENANT has been evicted from a charity-run flat after cooking and then eating a pasty filled with excrement. The man, who has not been named, was living at shared accommodation run by Christian charity Chapter 1 in Weston-super-Mare when the incident happened. It was brought to the attention of the charity by another resident, who discovered the pasty in an oven after checking for the source of an "awful smell" in the kitchen. The woman told the Weston Mercury newspaper that she was sick after the incident, in which the man referred to the pasty's filling as his "magic sauce". She said: "It was definitely poo. He took it out and he ate it. How could we be expected to cook in that kitchen after that?" Chapter 1 provides accommodation and support for homeless and vulnerable people, as well as running refuges and family contact centres. A spokesman said the man had breached his tenancy agreement with his actions, which also included drug taking. Describing the incident as "very unfortunate", the charity added that the oven had been professionally cleaned to ensure hygiene and reassure residents. http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Man-evicted-shared-flat-cooking-eating-poo-filled/story-26806560-detail/story.html#ixzz3eadwp5Im
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I did wonder what happened to Colin Gregg.
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ChlorophileAddict posted:The Tunnel is open but there's still a lot of trouble with the refugees... you might want to put it off a bit Unfortunately its a big group trip so I can't really put it off. That being said the migrants have been going for lorries haven't they? They generally don't target cars right?
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Ludicro posted:Unfortunately its a big group trip so I can't really put it off. That being said the migrants have been going for lorries haven't they? They generally don't target cars right? How big is your boot?
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Pissflaps posted:How big is your boot? if you know what i mean
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Ludicro posted:Unfortunately its a big group trip so I can't really put it off. That being said the migrants have been going for lorries haven't they? They generally don't target cars right? my mate went with eurolines and their bus got attacked...
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Someone is trying to crowdfund Greece: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/story
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Pissflaps posted:How big is your boot? Its a Mini. Honestly if anyone can fit in it they've earned their trip over.
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EvilGenius posted:Update on Exeter bomb scare. They weren't bombs. They weren't even pretend bombs. Even more pathetic than the Boston bomb scare. At least those were functioning electronic devices, and one of them might have given an old lady a case of the vapours.
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Acaila posted:Someone is trying to crowdfund Greece: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/story
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Paul.Power posted:Would it not be more efficient to set up an actual charity? And avoid losing money to, e.g., Indiegogo's cut and taxation. That would require actual effort, not to mention jumping through a million hoops. You can't just found a charity.
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It seems to be over anyway. Greece blinked. Now everyone in that horrible EU thread can act like the Troika are the good guys.
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Speaking of entitled scroungers just putting things on the public credit cards and expecting to never have to give anything backquote:Iain Duncan Smith had his official credit card suspended after running up more than £1,000 in expenses debts, it can be revealed.
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