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Genetic Toaster posted:They wouldn't invite KSD to writer's retreats despite her being the writer of Captain Marvel at the time that the movie was announced and the book was being pushed as a focal point of the line. I think it's probably more the first thing than the second. Both editorial and Fraction were pretty transparent about saying that they simply didn't see eye to eye on it, and parted ways relatively amicably. The idea that anyone was angry about it probably had more to do with unrelated contemporaneous DC flame-outs than anything Marvel or Fraction said or did.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Every writer you have ever liked put their time in as a nobody before they became somebody. You mean Jonathan Hickman didn't drop from the heavens into the Marvel offices wearing a t-shirt that says "Dr. Doom Rules" and they gave him FF on the spot?
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Jun 30, 2015 20:59
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I remember buying Secret Warriors #1 because Bendis' name was on the cover and being "who the gently caress is this Hickman co-writing?".
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TwoPair posted:You mean Jonathan Hickman didn't drop from the heavens into the Marvel offices wearing a t-shirt that says "Dr. Doom Rules" and they gave him FF on the spot? He probably has a really good sales pitch. "Write Ultimates? Sure I'll start it off by killing all the Gods and having Evil Reed kill the president and nuke Washington. Then I'm making Captain America president" "Write Avengers? I'll do you one better. I'm going to take three years but long story short I'm killing the entire multi-verse."
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Jun 30, 2015 21:03
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TwoPair posted:You mean Jonathan Hickman didn't drop from the heavens into the Marvel offices wearing a t-shirt that says "Dr. Doom Rules" and they gave him FF on the spot? They found him on the marvel office door wrapped in this flag 
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Jun 30, 2015 21:03
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bobkatt013 posted:They found him on the marvel office door wrapped in this flag Off topic but I always pronounce it "Latervia" in my head.
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Starsnostars posted:I remember buying Secret Warriors #1 because Bendis' name was on the cover and being "who the gently caress is this Hickman co-writing?". I don't know about anyone else but I was super stoked because I've always been a fan of his indie books. I'm pretty sure I made the very first post about Hickman on these forums.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:09
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See, that makes me think of the original Grendel more than anything else.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:09
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For as stilted as it can be now, early Hickman had really bad dialogue, so pairing him with Bendis was really smart.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:10
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muscles like this? posted:I don't know about anyone else but I was super stoked because I've always been a fan of his indie books. I'm pretty sure I made the very first post about Hickman on these forums. Yeah pretty much all the "big" Marvel hires for a number of years like Hickman, Fraction and so on (with the exception of Aaron) had an extensive and well received indie background. And even Aaron went and did some indie stuff after his first minor Marvel story.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:11
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Wiccan the Young Avenger and Wicca the New Age Pseudo-Religion have nothing whatsoever to do with one another, really, save for the fact that they both nebulously talk about 'magic.' His codename is kind of appropriative now that you mention it, though. zoux posted:Off topic but I always pronounce it "Latervia" in my head.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:27
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I had a Minecraft server called Lurdveria.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:32
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Genetic Toaster posted:They wouldn't invite KSD to writer's retreats despite her being the writer of Captain Marvel at the time that the movie was announced and the book was being pushed as a focal point of the line. I take that as Marvel being nice because straight up saying that she's a terrible writer would be rude and unprofessional.
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Secret Wars looks really dumb to me but I am super jazzed about the new titles that were leaked on Reddit. Particularly psyched for: Carnage Totally Awesome Hulk All-New, All-Different Avengers (and most of their individual titles) I know Extraordinary X-Men is probably the most anticipated of the new X-titles, although the cast of Uncanny X-Men (Magneto was right) and the premise of All-New X-Men (mutant road trip!) seem like more fun to me. Can anyone tell me anything about Bunn and Hopeless? Also, I'm assuming these titles are dropping in October, when Secret Wars wraps up?
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Jun 30, 2015 21:33
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Panama Red posted:Secret Wars looks really dumb to me but I am super jazzed about the new titles that were leaked on Reddit. Particularly psyched for: October yeah. Bunn wrote a very good Magento solo and his other work has been alright. He writes a ton of books. Hopeless wrote Avengers Arena and Undercover and everyone hates him.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:38
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The Del Mundo Carnage covers are going to be great, I hope that book lasts for ages just so we get as many covers as possible.
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Panama Red posted:I know Extraordinary X-Men is probably the most anticipated of the new X-titles, although the cast of Uncanny X-Men (Magneto was right) and the premise of All-New X-Men (mutant road trip!) seem like more fun to me. Can anyone tell me anything about Bunn and Hopeless? Bunn is a workman-like writer at Marvel who's got a handful of decent Deadpool minis and a well-regarded run on Magneto under his belt. I'd have considered him C-tier at best until Magneto, which was a good read. Hopeless was decent on Cable & X-Force a couple of years ago, and his Spider-Woman run is decent, but his work on Avengers Arena and Avengers Undercover tanked his reputation among a lot of the comic-book reading population. Much like Bendis, it's going to be a question of which Hopeless shows up to this party: the blood-soaked douchebag from Arena or the clever plotter from his other books.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:40
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Starsnostars posted:The Del Mundo Carnage covers are going to be great, I hope that book lasts for ages just so we get as many covers as possible. I hope he gets an interiors job.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:40
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Hopeless by name, hopeless by nature
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Jun 30, 2015 21:41
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zoux posted:I hope he gets an interiors job. Yeah me too, I loved his work on Elektra.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:44
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Hickman tweeted why he's not in the relaunch: Jonathan Hickman @JHickman 3m3 minutes ago I'm not in the Marvel relaunch because my Damage Control-Wrecking Crew pitch was rejected. Every other issue would alternate between teams. Jonathan Hickman @JHickman 2m2 minutes ago One issue would be the Wrecking Crew drinking and planning a job. Then the next would be Damage Control cleaning up the mess. Rinse. Repeat. Jonathan Hickman @JHickman 30s31 seconds ago All the build up. All the resolution. None of the action.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:48
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Hickman is such a champ. 
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Endless Mike posted:Hickman tweeted why he's not in the relaunch: I would read the gently caress out of this.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:52
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Codependent Poster posted:I take that as Marvel being nice because straight up saying that she's a terrible writer would be rude and unprofessional. Dan Slott has gone to pretty much every retreat.
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I know he's joking but I would buy a Hickman written Damage Control-Wrecking Crew book in a heartbeat.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:53
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Hickman's joke book sounds better than any real comic Slot has ever written.
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So Gerry Conway on Carnage, is that going to be unreadable like modern Claremont or has he come around to the naturalistic dialog style of modern comics?
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zoux posted:has he come around to the naturalistic dialog style of modern comics? Yeesh, I hope not.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:58
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Hickman is great on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/614506131088650242
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zoux posted:So Gerry Conway on Carnage, is that going to be unreadable like modern Claremont or has he come around to the naturalistic dialog style of modern comics? Conway's writing a perfectly decent crime story in Amazing right now, co-starring the new Wraith.
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Rhyno posted:Hickman's joke book sounds better than any real comic Slot has ever written. I liked his Avengers. I am probably the only one. And it probably has more to do with who was in the lineup and Pym getting to call Reed a bitch than anything.
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Jun 30, 2015 22:21
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Jun 30, 2015 22:23
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zoux posted:So Gerry Conway on Carnage, is that going to be unreadable like modern Claremont or has he come around to the naturalistic dialog style of modern comics? Conway's writing a pretty good Spider-Man story right now, but it's Carnage so it won't be worth reading anyway.
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A Carnage book just sounds so boring because Carnage as a character is just a straight up serial killer. I hate to judge the book based purely on my impression of past versions of Carnage, but I just don't see how you'd make a story from Carnage's perspective interesting, other than Axis: Carnage which was great but Carnage has reverted to normal since then so he's back to just being a dude who likes killing people.
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DrProsek posted:A Carnage book just sounds so boring because Carnage as a character is just a straight up serial killer. I hate to judge the book based purely on my impression of past versions of Carnage, but I just don't see how you'd make a story from Carnage's perspective interesting, other than Axis: Carnage which was great but Carnage has reverted to normal since then so he's back to just being a dude who likes killing people. There were the carnage miniseries that were pretty great a couple of years ago.
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bobkatt013 posted:There were the carnage miniseries that were pretty great a couple of years ago. Yes, but they at least nominally had Spider-Man, the Avengers or Deadpool fighting Carnage.
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Jun 30, 2015 23:48
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AXIS Carnage was the best Carnage series EVER. Maybe they can do something like that?
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Rhyno posted:AXIS Carnage was the best Carnage series EVER. Maybe they can do something like that? Yeah, having Carnage fight a bunch of heroes could be fun too but the cover and tagline from the leak makes me think they want the story to focus more on Carnage/Cletus as a person, but other than the AXIS version of Carnage, there's not really much going on in his head other than planning more murders. SynthOrange posted:Is that carnage memorial statue still standing? I don't think Carnage ever destroyed it but he also told Nova he wanted to kill Nova to get rid of any evidence of what he did during AXIS, so presumably he might have destroyed the literal memorial to what he did during AXIS off-screen at some point.
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So my current thoughts: while there are more unannounced Marvel books coming, and while I'm really looking forward to a couple of these titles (Al Ewing's New Avengers and Ultimates, and Warren Ellis' Karnak in particular), overall, these books feel disappointingly conservative compared to the new DC You relaunch, or recent past Marvel NOW relaunches, or even many of the Secret Wars tie-ins they're currently running. There's very little new blood on the writing side (which accentuates the absences of a number of their previous top writers - Hickman, Remender, Gillen, Fraction, Kot), and not as much readily apparent diversity in tone and genre.
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