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Smoothrich posted:I am very progressive, though I don't think that means going left or right, but forward. sure, whatever to the rest of us you'll never be anything but the blithering moron who apologizes for psychopaths bragging about how many black people they shot in post-katrina new orleans and thinks that the fall of the roman empire is linked to present-day corruption in new jersey because 'italian corruption'
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:34 |
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Smoothrich posted:because I am very progressive, though I don't think that means going left or right, but forward. This is legit the single most meaningless thing I have ever read short of actual gibberish and even then not by much
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:36 |
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:sure, whatever Oh man how did I forget that so quickly, that was one of the stupidest things I've ever read in my life, and I've read a lot of Bill Kristol.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:37 |
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Obdicut posted:Oh man how did I forget that so quickly, that was one of the stupidest things I've ever read in my life, and I've read a lot of Bill Kristol. the whole "italian corruption" thing was dumb in a hilarious way on the other hand it takes some gall to scream at strawmen in defense of a man giving shitthatdidn'thappen.txt stories about how many of his fellow countrymen he murdered in cold blood and then say "actually i'm a leftist guys"
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:39 |
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Smoothrich posted:I am very progressive, though I don't think that means going left or right, but forward.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:40 |
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Arguments against the 1st are already being presented. You just have to look for the language. America was a founded as a Christian country, so . . . And it goes from there. Gay marriage is like shouting fire in a theater.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:53 |
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beatlegs posted:So the solution is for the left to act more like conservatives. Boy, that's been such a successful strategy in the past.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:56 |
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Shbobdb posted:Arguments against the 1st are already being presented. You just have to look for the language. America was a founded as a Christian country, so . . . And it goes from there. You shouldn't do it unless it's true?
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 01:58 |
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:00 |
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Playing identity politics is a fool's errand - we must see the Confederacy as the worst excesses of anarchocapitalism that continue to manifest today.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:03 |
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Its incredible how concerned they are with oppression when they think its affecting them Its amazing how many people completely devoid of irony manage to say "Christians are now going to be treated as second class in their own country"
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:04 |
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It's almost as if they realize how lovely they've treated people and now fear the same in return.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:13 |
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"WELL YOU SEE, THE SECULAR CULTURE..." Is an argument I hear all that time. Which I don't get. I don't see a lot of entertainers or politicians that are avowed atheists. I mean, take the supreme court justices for example. All of them are either Catholic or Jewish. Guys like Martin Scorsese for example are indeed Catholic. Yet they're always presenting as America as the un-christian, unfriendly place outside of their small little bubble of outdated theology and beliefs that they all seem to hold onto. I also don't see why something being "secular" is naturally terrible. God created the world, correct? There's some matters that are very much worth exploring in it.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:17 |
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Well Mr. Fischer, if you go to Iraq/Syria then you can be the new Rosa Parks in the fight against actual, real Christian persecution. Fair warning before you go, you may end up starring in an internet video for your efforts, and probably not in a way you want. Semi-seriously, I'd actually respect this fucker if he actually went to Iraq/Syria to highlight the discrimination and risk of death that Assyrian/Nineveh Christian communities face, instead of pretending that the US getting gay marriage is equivalent to 9/11.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:19 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:"WELL YOU SEE, THE SECULAR CULTURE..." The issue with fundamentalists is that their entire philosophy only survives so long as they can posit themselves as outside the general culture. Saudi Arabia is way more religiously conservative then we are and there are fundamentalist Muslims decrying the decadent secular KSA endlessly. Hell the puritans ended up having their own entirely isolated communities and started turning on each other within a generation. Fundamentalism cannot exist without the constant pressure to reject the mainstream.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:23 |
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Darkman Fanpage posted:It's almost as if they realize how lovely they've treated people and now fear the same in return. It's more they're arguing that laws coming out like "no you can't murder, disenfranchise, and mistreat X demographic anymore, knock it the gently caress off" put restrictions on their behavior and thus makes them less free. They often also believe that if you force them to tolerate the gays then it's going to make God hate them too. I know I harp on this a lot but the seriously, genuinely believe that if they don't hate the gays hard enough and don't treat them badly enough God will punish all of America for it. They seriously believe that the thing that ruins America will be God punishing us for not being a theocracy where being gay is punishable by death and all other religions are persecuted minorities. They seriously, genuinely believe that you are persecuting them if you violate what they believe God's law is, especially if you make gay things legally acceptable. They don't think "if you don't believe in gay marriage then don't get one" is acceptable. They believe that it's a matter of religious freedom for them to be able to shove their religion's laws on others and they also genuinely believe that exterminating all the gays and Muslims would usher in a magical golden age because God would be happy with us.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:26 |
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Smoothrich posted:I just replaced the political persuasion of the gross generalization. I've seen the research and read the studies that show my point of view. I just don't have them on hand. So, I elected to say I didn't remember the exact numbers rather than pulling one out of my rear end. How dare I.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:37 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:"WELL YOU SEE, THE SECULAR CULTURE..." Its relative. The Romans hated the early Christians because they only worshipped one god to the exclusion of all others. They actually called the Christians atheists, because only worshipping one god is pretty much as bad as not believing in any god. Which seems crazy from the outside. To evangelicals, subscribing to a reasonable form of religion is tantamount to being secular. Which seems crazy from the outside, and also because it is.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:38 |
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Caerulius posted:Its relative. The Romans hated the early Christians because they only worshipped one god to the exclusion of all others. They actually called the Christians atheists, because only worshipping one god is pretty much as bad as not believing in any god. Which seems crazy from the outside. To evangelicals, subscribing to a reasonable form of religion is tantamount to being secular. Which seems crazy from the outside, and also because it is. Evangelicals also believe that literally everything that might lead somebody away from The One True Faith is literally the devil deliberately trying to lure people away. A common belief among the fundies is that Earth is a battleground between good and evil (as in, God and Satan) and that we must be vigilant, keep an eye out for the devil's influence, and work to crush it however we can. That's why they hate secular culture and secular ideas so much. They believe somebody saying "it's fine to be gay or not Christian" is being influenced by the devil to say that so he can lure people away from Jesus. No. Seriously. People actually believe this. I wish I was making that up.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:47 |
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I know he's not exactly big news, but has Alex Jones weighed in recently?
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 02:49 |
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Mister Macys posted:You shouldn't do it unless it's true? Not being able to shout fire relies on an old fighting words restriction. According to a vocal subset of evangelicals, not agreeing with them constitutes fighting words. Something so offensive they are necessarily driven to violence. Now let me tell you why the first amendment lets me drop n bombs all day long.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:00 |
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Slurpee basically has it right when he says a lot of these people have zero concern for equal protection under the law and genuinely only want to see the laws of the US protect what they think is the inarguably cosmic justice of God Almighty.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:04 |
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Mister Macys posted:I know he's not exactly big news, but has Alex Jones weighed in recently? On what? Perhaps the TPP: http://www.infowars.com/obama-removes-tpps-anti-slavery-clause-then-attacks-confederate-flag-as-symbol-of-slavery/ Or black youths threatening the security and existence of our people and a future for White Children: http://www.infowars.com/the-new-knockout-game-nearly-50-black-teens-raid-wal-mart-assault-shoppers-destroy-merchandise/ Maybe you'd like to hear about this photo of the First Lady without makeup: http://www.infowars.com/found-picture-of-michelle-obama-without-makeup/
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:07 |
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Yeah, but there is a more nuanced discussion behind that. Like how reasonable paleocon Buckley literally proposed tattooing people with aids and forcibly relocating them to an island. Intellectual conservativism *cymbal clash*
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:09 |
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BTW, I found the story that Janet Parshall was talking about http://abc7news.com/society/girl-scouts-return-$100k-donation-after-donor-says-it-cant-be-used-for-transgender-girls/818905/ . How do...you even call yourself a christian when you pull this poo poo? And this women was PRAISING HER for taking back the money, and encouraging those to send their kids to evangelical versions of the girl scouts instead.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:18 |
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Ironically, the publicity they got for refusing the donation earned them more than $100,000 in donations from people supporting transgender rights, so it's all good.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:25 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:BTW, I found the story that Janet Parshall was talking about There's also a loony hardcore conservative knockoff of the boy scouts now for the people all mad about how gay scouts were let in recently and they're supposed to be letting in gay adults any time now.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:28 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:There's also a loony hardcore conservative knockoff of the boy scouts now for the people all mad about how gay scouts were let in recently and they're supposed to be letting in gay adults any time now. I can only gleefully embrace the further complete marginalization of the Religious Right in mainstream culture
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:29 |
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Sir Tonk posted:On what? Mainly the SCOTUS rulings as of late.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:32 |
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I can only gleefully embrace the further complete marginalization of the Religious Right in mainstream culture Here's the group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_Life_USA The best part? A lot of them whined upa storm over the fact that actual Boy Scouts owned facilities they wanted to use were either refusing themaccess for not being scouts, or charging much higher prices to camp/do whatever than they would the boy scouts. Free market hurts, don't it!
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:34 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:Here's the group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_Life_USA Its like watching a vestigial organ of human society wither off
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:36 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:BTW, I found the story that Janet Parshall was talking about St. Paul said some stuff about perverts or something and that's all the justification they need. It's so much easier to serve God by persecuting sinners than by dealing with that log in your own eye.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:36 |
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Mister Macys posted:Mainly the SCOTUS rulings as of late. Pretty boring stuff: SUPREME COURT DECISION SUPPORTS CHOOSE LIFE LICENSE PLATES IN NORTH CAROLINA SUPREME COURT TAKES UP MAJOR CASE ON PUBLIC SECTOR UNION DUES U.S. TOP COURT RULES AGAINST OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OVER AIR POLLUTION RULE U.S. JUSTICES TURN DOWN STATES OVER VOTER REGISTRATION RESTRICTIONS Although... THE ACLU NOW OPPOSES RELIGIOUS FREEDOM BECAUSE CHRISTIANS NEED IT
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:43 |
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah, but there is a more nuanced discussion behind that. Can we have a source? I want to see this proposal for jumping off the rocky moral ground we're already on as a country.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 03:46 |
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Shbobdb posted:Not being able to shout fire relies on an old fighting words restriction. Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Mister Macys posted:I know he's not exactly big news, but has Alex Jones weighed in recently? Well he and co are just asking questions. Need to give their racist user base some hope. http://www.infowars.com/false-flag-dylann-roofs-barely-used-facebook-page-likely-created-in-2015/ BTW I have checked in with the full on nazi right and their crying over the confederate flag. Not one tear for the victims of the terrorist attack, but now this assault on "southern culture" is a real tragedy.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 04:06 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Well he and co are just asking questions. Only white people can be victims. Duh.
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 04:07 |
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Klaus88 posted:
https://www.nytimes.com/books/00/07/16/specials/buckley-aids.html
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# ? Jul 1, 2015 04:16 |
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Crucial Steps in Combating the AIDS epidemic It's a great example of "small government" solutions from one of the greatest intellectuals of the Paleoconservative wing of the Republican Party. If anyone says they respect Buckley, tell them to go gently caress themselves. quote:March 18, 1986 He went all Islander later but that is a good starting point.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Oklahoma Supreme Court ordered the Ten Commandments monument removed from State Capitol grounds. Get ready for more whining. Awwww, now they have no reason to allow Baphomet to go up as well.
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