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GeneX posted:Not really? Den Protector is a fantastic card, but the really infuriating part of the deck is where they get endless 3/3 (or 4/4) deathtouchers. I understand that that interaction is good vs control decks but why is it "broken" and not just a bad matchup for your deck?
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TheKingofSprings posted:The difference between standard and draft is you don't have to pay 20 dollars for a single card that will be worthless in 2 years. Meh, not saying the format is without its warts, and Wizards isn't directly responsible for how the secondary market is run. My point is that if you wanted to play in an explicitly powerful format, Modern, Legacy, and Vintage are there (well, Modern really  ) to play. Standard is about using obviously less-powerful stuff on principle.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:08
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The reality is that if you want to play a lot of competitive Magic you have to play Standard and buy Standard cards.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:10
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mcmagic posted:I understand that that interaction is good vs control decks but why is it "broken" and not just a bad matchup for your deck? It's not broken, it just warps the format towards even more creatures since non-sweeper removal doesn't really work well at all. WotC did express a wish to have a midrange dominated standard (I think it was Sam Stoddard's Khans retrospective that had it?) so I guess they've succeeded.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:12
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mcmagic posted:The only creature in standard that could be considered to be overpowered or oppressive in my opinion is Siege Rhino. I never felt that way about Raptor. I remember a pro saying something like, it's pretty much impossible to lose a game if you draw 2 Siege Rhinos and this is pretty much my experience as well both playing with and against it.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:15
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I'm pretty sure that standard was supposed to be a casual format that encouraged randoms and casuals to attend FNM's with fun and friendly $20.00 budget decks without having to drop $400
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Jul 1, 2015 15:16
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mcmagic posted:The reality is that if you want to play a lot of competitive Magic you have to play Standard and buy Standard cards. Define "a lot." I play 1-4 times a week and have played standard about 3 times in my life.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:17
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GeneX posted:It's not broken, it just warps the format towards even more creatures since non-sweeper removal doesn't really work well at all. I don't even think that this standard is Midrange Dominated, a few weeks ago Esper Dragons was the best deck in the format after that you had Abzan Control. GR Devotion is probably the best deck now and is a midrange deck but Azban Aggro and Atarka Red are still winning toruneys all over the place...
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suicidesteve posted:Define "a lot." Do you play a lot of GP's, PPTQ's and SCG/TCG Big events?
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Jul 1, 2015 15:17
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Serperoth posted:I know MaRo is not a funny dude, but this is a joke right? MaRo has some bright moments but from what I've read he's had some duuuuuuuuuuumb moments.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:17
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TheKingofSprings posted:Thanks for just out and out saying Standard is bad, MaRo Eternal and Limited are for real champs anyway. All the Vintage Super League stuff really makes me wish I had Power so I could play Doomsday.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:18
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I'm pretty sure that standard was supposed to be a casual format that encouraged randoms and casuals to attend FNM's with fun and friendly $20.00 budget decks without having to drop $400 What in the world?
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Jul 1, 2015 15:19
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Gridlocked posted:Eternal and Limited are for real champs anyway. there is a solution for you, friend, come play in vintage thunderdome using the free xmage software: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3727677
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Jul 1, 2015 15:20
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I'm pretty sure that standard was supposed to be a casual format that encouraged randoms and casuals to attend FNM's with fun and friendly $20.00 budget decks without having to drop $400 Well yeah but you gotta win those consistently, right? Gotta start the arms race to where everyone's playing with the $400 decks to win maybe $20 store credit every week.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:22
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Onmi posted:MaRo has some bright moments but from what I've read he's had some duuuuuuuuuuumb moments. In general I think most of the strength of recent set successes comes down to development, not design (and definitely not the creative team). They're the people who actually end up constructing the limited formats and balancing cards for standard. Design just makes mechanics like Ken Nagle's PWNAGE.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:24
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I like MaRo and think he does a very good job I also think he has a sense of humor and just because you don't like his jokes doesn't mean that he isn't making them
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Jul 1, 2015 15:25
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i'm glad someone is speaking out in defense of designer extraordinaire, comic genius, and writer for "Roseanne" mark rosewater
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Jul 1, 2015 15:28
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black potus posted:i'm glad someone is speaking out in defense of designer extraordinaire, comic genius, and writer for "Roseanne" mark rosewater i'm a brave man
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Jul 1, 2015 15:29
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black potus posted:there is a solution for you, friend, come play in vintage thunderdome using the free xmage software: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3727677 Very tempting. But then I have to learn how matchups work.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:32
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Gridlocked posted:Very tempting. Or you could play Dredge.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:34
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So what drives more pack sales? Constructed or limited? It seems to me that constructed has to be driving them more with how rarity drives power level these days. Am I wrong? I seem to have people I know who think rarity is designed with limited in mind first and everything else second. Am I alone in thinking that rarity drives pack sales first and that limited balance is just a good symptom?
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Jul 1, 2015 15:35
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Gridlocked posted:Very tempting. play shops or dredge and don't concern yourself with silly things like that
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Jul 1, 2015 15:35
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Lancelot posted:In general I think most of the strength of recent set successes comes down to development, not design (and definitely not the creative team). They're the people who actually end up constructing the limited formats and balancing cards for standard. Design just makes mechanics like Ken Nagle's PWNAGE. Isn't development also responsible for last minute changes to Skullclamp and JtMS resulting in them completely warping their respective formats? EDIT: And I think possibly Jitte?
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Jul 1, 2015 15:36
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GeneX posted:Or you could play Dredge. I have a better idea.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:43
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PrinnySquadron posted:Isn't development also responsible for last minute changes to Skullclamp and JtMS resulting in them completely warping their respective formats? Yeah, they're definitely not perfect — I'm just saying designers get a lot of the kudos for sets that play/draft well (like INN/KTK/RoE) when I think that's more due to development. On the other hand, when you give Maro free reign, you end up with combo winter.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:43
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Lancelot posted:Maro is one of those people who is largely mediocre but who has risen to a position of relative power, and thinks that it must all have been due to his genius. It doesn't help any that he has several different platforms to expound about his theories about why he is so great at game design, and several thousand adoring fans to tell him he is actually really great at game design. I can understand not liking his old man sense of humor, but if you don't think he's legit great at game design, I'm not u what to tell you (besides you're totally wrong). He's not some kind of uber genius, but he absolutely knows what he's talking about.
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CaptCommy posted:I can understand not liking his old man sense of humor, but if you don't think he's legit great at game design, I'm not u what to tell you (besides you're totally wrong). He's not some kind of uber genius, but he absolutely knows what he's talking about. He's much better at game design than most Roseanne comedy writers would be.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:47
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Man, UR Artifacts is gonna be a cool deck for, like, 3-4 months.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:52
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bhsman posted:Man, UR Artifacts is gonna be a cool deck for, like, 3-4 months. There's definitely going to be a ton of people forcing it in draft.
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Interesting card, but doesn't make the cut as a control deck sweeper I don't think. Maybe fringe-playable in GWx decks against opposing creature decks? Angel token looks pretty nice.
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CaptCommy posted:I can understand not liking his old man sense of humor, but if you don't think he's legit great at game design, I'm not u what to tell you (besides you're totally wrong). He's not some kind of uber genius, but he absolutely knows what he's talking about. I think it's an issue of scale. For example, I love his stuff about the colour pie. But he's been on the design team for every set since New Phyrexia, and the last time he developed anything was Rise of the Eldrazi, it feels like he's very detached from the game in a sense. His position basically makes him the Top Dog in Magic-making, and while he's a good designer, his 12-year run (more than half the game's entire life) as Head Designer does, I feel, stagnate the game to some degree.
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Imagine the amazing set designs Vlaada Chvatil would come up with if he stooped down from his board game throne.
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Thopter supremacy Wait is that chief dude an uncommon or am I misreading the symbol out of exhaustion Jen X fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Jul 1, 2015 15:59
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Yo they brought back the Shrugging Demon token, nice.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I'm pretty sure that standard was supposed to be a casual format that encouraged randoms and casuals to attend FNM's with fun and friendly $20.00 budget decks without having to drop $400 I'm pretty sure nothing in Magic works out this way and they knew that for a long time before standard
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I'm traveling to India for work, is there any sort of mtg scene there? Don't think I'd have time or the inclination to play but I figure I might be able to get cards cheap there.
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I don't see what's meant to be controversial about that Rosewater post, standard will always be a lower powered format compared (except relative to block-constructed, I guess) because it has access to fewer cards.
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mcmagic posted:Do you play a lot of GP's, PPTQ's and SCG/TCG Big events? No, but for working 50+ hours, 5/6 days a week, being married and having a 5-month-old daughter, even once a week is "a lot" to me. If you're trying to be a grinder/pro, then yeah obviously you have to play standard. Elyv posted:play shops or dredge and don't concern yourself with silly things like that Shops is the last deck you want to play if you don't know what your opponent is up to. Just play a goldfish deck Belcher (please everyone play Belcher.)
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't see what's meant to be controversial about that Rosewater post, standard will always be a lower powered format compared (except relative to block-constructed, I guess) because it has access to fewer cards. It was in response to a question about printing a couple of powerful cards, not about standard being modern/legacy but with a smaller pool.
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