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Sentinel Red posted:All this Summers talk has me wondering...did any version of Cable get saved/make it onto a lifeboat? There is a version of Cable in Giant Sized Little AvX
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bobkatt013 posted:See Richards ruins everything. Everything would be perfect if Richards was not around!
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Jul 1, 2015 20:48
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Endless Mike posted:Not really. Strange doesn't say it outright, but hints pretty heavily that it's all built on a house of cards. Still, it is impressive that anything is built at all.
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Jul 1, 2015 20:50
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Endless Mike posted:Not really. Strange doesn't say it outright, but hints pretty heavily that it's all built on a house of cards. Who are you to doubt Doom?
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Jul 1, 2015 20:50
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Hahahahah the very first thing T'challa does is go for Namor. Amazing.  I don't think anyone's disputing that Phoenixclops was just there to be jobbed and is totally forreals dead now, they're just saying that being jobbed and totally forreals dead doesn't exactly prevent him from, y'know, coming back from it with little worse for wear. If Doom had done something incredibly godlike and scattered the Phoenix into pieces across the cosmos -- what little there is of it, I guess? -- or whatever then, sure, I'd count them out of the fight, but all we see is him snapping a neck. I don't even think the Beyonders are as out of the game as Strange seems to think. Isn't that them on the cover of issue 5?
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Jul 1, 2015 21:09
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It's hard to tell how literally that cover is meant to be because the Beyonders said that perm-beyonder was a child version or something. It's possible that doom and strange did something to get rid of the other Beyonders (or they just got bored and went away) but perm-beyonder got eaten by Doom again and that's where his power comes from. Perm-beyonder being multiversal could explain why Doom would create a planet out of different realities.
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Jul 1, 2015 21:38
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I really enjoyed Spider-Man standing behind Reed during the confrontation like a sarcastic Greek chorus. "You put yourself on a throne." "And we're all really shocked by that, by the way."
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Jul 1, 2015 21:52
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I really liked Maker and Maximus' responses to the  RICHARDS  "Dude, you do not want to get in the middle of this".
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Jul 1, 2015 22:30
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Real talk though: I don't think Stephen was being honest about how Doom became God. No way they actually managed to kill the Beyonders then. Yeah, I wondered about that too. He didn't give much of an explanation and the panel just showed a generic aftermath scene. If I remember correctly the last scene of Doom pre-SW was him and Stephen throwing something at the Beyonder portal and then a close-up of Doom saying "Oh, gently caress!" or something like that. And then thousands of universes died. zoux posted:Also I'm all for Scott getting shut the gently caress down as he launches into another sanctimonious diatribe about the nature of humanity and mutants. See, I was upset at this, because I haven't really touched the Marvel Universe much besides these last few runs. In my mind, Cyclops is the 90's cartoon/Marvel vs Capcom soldier-type who was supposed to be a great leader and all-around good guy, and I didn't like him giving a very uncharacteristic (to me) "I'm such a badass" speech and then getting chumped. That's probably the ultimate end of 616 Cyclops. 
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Jul 1, 2015 23:04
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That was fantastic. I love the idea that Strange transported the other survivors to other parts of Battleworld. That included the Cabal right? Somehow I don't think Strange is dead, Doom has probably done this many times before.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:08
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Read Ultimate End and holy gently caress it's god damned terrible. We get a scene of 616 Punisher getting Ultimate Punisher and thinking the other is an impostor. This ends with 616 killing Ultimate. This is then followed immediately by Ultimate Punisher killing people. Get your poo poo together, Bendis.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:16
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Great as the main book was, I'd just like to say I really dug the Chinatown/Hulk Planet double in the Battleworld Journal. A noir Logan & Castle team-up going up against refugees from the last big alt universe event is very much my jam.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:18
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I get that Cyclops was gonna die and the Phoenix Force probably used to fix the universe but that was really stupid to kill him off that fast like that. I dunno this one felt really muddled and stilted compared to the other issues to me. It had some good individual moments but the overall flow just didn't work I thought. I'm sort of surprised to see the generally positive reaction it's getting. Itt's the first issue out of pretty much every tie in and main title that I haven't enjoyed and I've read them all.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:20
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It felt kinda in character. Scott being "I got this guys" and rushing in to take out God Doom and getting ganked seemed like something he'd do. He has shown to put is faith in the Phoenix Force before and that would make him feel invincible. I liked A-force this week, I'm still curious about who the mystery girl is, though I still think its Black Mirror Kitty, just lots her memory.I guess She Hulk ended up in the Years of Future Past world? That was pretty good too. The Claremont level Colossus speech made my eyes gloss over though. LIttle AvsX was again adorable and funny. I will not get tired ever of Lil Rogue always looking at her phone.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:25
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I can't help but feel that when Doom killed Phoenixclops his speech shouldn't have been "The Dream is Over!" it should have been "The Dream is Dead!" I mean, it's right there. It's got the double meaning (That the dream is dead and also that Cyclops is now dead) and it is a nice call back to all those 90's X-Men stories around the time of Onslaught. It was just such low hanging fruit, it should have been easy to pick up on. In other news, Ultimate: End continues to be terrible.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:26
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Why are Doom's eyes blue in the final panel, instead of brown as they normally are (and are in the rest of the issue)?
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Jul 1, 2015 23:28
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Domalom posted:Why are Doom's eyes blue in the final panel, instead of brown as they normally are (and are in the rest of the issue)? Everlovin blue eyed Doom.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:30
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zoux posted:Everlovin blue eyed Doom. He really did take everything.
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Jul 1, 2015 23:32
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Red Skull made it super obvious the Shield Wall is really the Thing.
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Nobby posted:He also managed to change Strange's mind with the start of his monologuing. We can't complain about Scott when Colossus had a full page Claremontian wordshit the very same week.
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Jul 2, 2015 00:20
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I'm not convinced that Singularity is black mirror Kitty anymore, basically just because of the leaked post SW covers. Kitty in a star lord mask is on the GoG cover but the space-lady is on A-force so unless they split into separate entities I dunno how it'll work. I wonder if the Phoenix will go find Hope. Hah, fat chance. I know everyone basically hates her, but having her finally fulfill her destiny by restoring the universe or something would be better than her current fate. Wasn't she just in a coma prior to 'everyone's dead Dave'? Or maybe the Phoenix as actually-dead and it's supposed to be a demonstration of how things are Different Now.
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Jul 2, 2015 00:55
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Heathen posted:We can't complain about Scott when Colossus had a full page Claremontian wordshit the very same week. Well Colossus wasn't dumb enough to have it while actively in a fight. With Dr. Doom. Who is God.
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Jul 2, 2015 01:15
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Make a Fantastic Five. Adult Franklin, Valeria, Hope, Blue Marvel/Spider UK, Doom go around cultivating universes.
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Just a thought: I'm starting to have suspicions about Strange. I'm not 100% convinced at this point that Doom is actually the "God" here. I don't buy that the same Strange who used the Blood Bible and made the Resolute Throne deal considered the power of the Beyonders and went "nah, too much". It's been obvious from #2 that Strange is really running Battleworld. He's the one that enforces law and order and stops the domains destroying one another; he's the one who freaks out over the discovery of the Cabal raft while Doom mopes about in his castle. In #4, why is Doom so vague in his recollection of the heroes and the Cabal? And yet Strange knows exactly who they are straight away. When Phoenixclops is melting Doom, there's something fishy about Strange's hand movements. Doom's getting his rear end handed to him until Stephen makes a gesture -- the same one Doom is making as he grabs Phoenixclops by the throat. It's possible that Strange has mindwiped Doom like he did Cap or something similar. It's the burden of rule that Strange declined, not the omnipotence, and so he's kept Doom around as "God". I can't square away Strange's "death" scene, but getting lasered by your puppet ain't no thang if you've got Beyonder powers. Faking his death would leave Doom, the heroes, and the Cabal to busy themselves with each other while Strange continues with whatever shady poo poo he's been up to on the Isle of Agamotto.
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Wachter posted:Just a thought: I'm starting to have suspicions about Strange. I'm not 100% convinced at this point that Doom is actually the "God" here. I don't buy that the same Strange who used the Blood Bible and made the Resolute Throne deal considered the power of the Beyonders and went "nah, too much". Hmmm... well now that you mention it Doom was whining about not being able to fix his face. Maybe that has something to do with Strange keeping it that way.
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Hrrm to feed the conspiracy.Domalom posted:Why are Doom's eyes blue in the final panel, instead of brown as they normally are (and are in the rest of the issue)? Dr Strange has blue eyes.
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Jul 2, 2015 02:01
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I think ya'all are overthinking this. Although I went back to check the digital version because I missed the blue-eye thing and drat don't it seem curious now.
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Jul 2, 2015 02:32
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it's a coloring error y'all
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Read Ultimate End and holy gently caress it's god damned terrible. Maybe you wanna re-read that because it's not Bendis who made the mistake.
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Jul 2, 2015 02:35
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Remember when Danielle Cage's green eyes went absolutely nowhere at the end of Secret Invasion? gently caress you Marvel if you think I'm falling for a coloring mistake as a plot point now.
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Jul 2, 2015 02:35
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Coloring error starts with c, Clea starts with C, Clea was married to Dr Strange but their marriage was doomed, so he was a Doctor with a Doomed marriage Oh my GOD DR. STRANGE IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOCTOR DOOM!
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Jul 2, 2015 02:41
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The number 23
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Shawn posted:Remember when Danielle Cage's Who?
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I don't know what to believe in anymore. NOTHING MAKES SENSE.
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Shawn posted:Remember when Danielle Cage's green eyes went absolutely nowhere at the end of Secret Invasion? gently caress you Marvel if you think I'm falling for a coloring mistake as a plot point now. On the other hand, remember when a coloring mistake led to Mark Waid creating an alternate hypertime Flash?
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Nilbop posted:Who?
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Here's Strange's arm movements. I see what you're getting it from but it's different enough that I wouldn't call it definite. 
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It looks like he's just casting the teleportation spell.
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WickedHate posted:It looks like he's just casting the teleportation spell. That's exactly what Strange wants you to think.
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It's not a coloring error, they're not blue, that whole panel just has a cool tone over it. Have we learned nothing from the tale of the changing gown? The dress is white and gold, not black and blue. Please use context clues.
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