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I cannot tell where the purposeful posturing/lies to maintain a carefully groomed public image end and the self delusion begins with Trump. I really can't.
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Switzerland posted:* has red hair, and when was the last time we had a red-haired candidate? Eisenhower.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Maybe, but Trump's mind is unexplored territory. The longer he keeps this up, the more likely this presidential bid is all he has left. I agree. I get the sense that this veered from "good publicity" a lot more quickly than he expected and that every time it actually costs him something he becomes a little more emotionally invested in actually running. Monkey Fracas posted:I cannot tell where the purposeful posturing/lies to maintain a carefully groomed public image end and the self delusion begins with Trump. This more than anything is why "id of the Republican party" fits him so well.
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Jul 2, 2015 22:11
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Eisenhower. JFK.
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taqueso posted:It was created by someone in the shitposts for socialism thread in GBS, but I can't remember who and that thread is getting huge. Goddamn I want that tag
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Shinjobi posted:Goddamn I want that tag Buy a new av, put [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/avatars/sanderistas.png[/img ] in the text portion.
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Switzerland posted:* has red hair, and when was the last time we had a red-haired candidate? I'm pretty sure W is the GOP's red-headed stepchild.
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Jul 2, 2015 22:30
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Lindsey Graham takes on Trump:quote:"What Trump said says more about Trump than anybody else," Graham told reporters on Wednesday at an event in Iowa, according to the Huffington Post. I completely agree with Graham - when you blindly label an entire ethnic group as rapists, or drug dealers, or as full of hate, it really does say more about you than it does about them.
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DaveWoo posted:Lindsey Graham takes on Trump: I guess one way to get from 1% in the polls is be the first to pick a fight with The Trump Organization
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Powered Descent posted:Trying to pick someone for that title, I'm waffling back and forth between Chris Christie and Lindsey Graham. Maybe Rand Paul for the reason that uncurable mlady pointed out. Lindsey Graham spoke at the Aspen Ideas Festival earlier this week: http://www.mprnews.org/listen?name=/minnesota/news/programs/mpr_news_presents/2015/07/01/mpr_news_presents_20150701 Seems pretty open about his aspirations for military adventurism but other wise makes a bunch of statements on immigration policy that completely removes him from the competitive pool... Probably harmless but he seems confident about rattling the sabers at the M.E. and Russia.
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Monkey Fracas posted:I cannot tell where the purposeful posturing/lies to maintain a carefully groomed public image end and the self delusion begins with Trump. Exactly. Trump's decisions indicate he's committed to this , and while it's easy (and certainly enjoyable) to laugh him off, I believe it's worth taking the impact of his candidacy seriously. Donald Trump is a joke, but as long as he sticks around, his influence on the national conversation and public perception of the Republican party is anything but. CheesyDog posted:I agree. I get the sense that this veered from "good publicity" a lot more quickly than he expected and that every time it actually costs him something he becomes a little more emotionally invested in actually running. I agree, except that (unless I've missed something) Trump is literally the only candidate who isn't bending backwards to pander to conservative Christians. Again, that's a big deal. If Trump says something like "sure, let the gays marry, who gives a poo poo" then he'll get a ton of publicity, and he'll force moderate candidates like Jeb to pick a side on a hugely divisive social issue.
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Trump is, in a twisted way, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. He's the political outsider who's "not afraid to tell it like it is." Trump doesn't need a detailed plan to address the Middle East, Iran, Mexico, or China. He's not a politician; he's the stand-in for the average bigoted, ignorant Republican voter. Every American dreams of someone with true principles running for president--we're seeing the same effect with Bernie now (and with Campaign Obama a long time ago). It's just that Trump's principles are, well, horrendous.
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Cantorsdust posted:Trump is, in a way, Mr. poo poo Goes to Washington. I created a more accurate statement.
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I'm of the opinion Trump never intended this to go so far so fast. I think this was another one of his publicity runs, but one that included an announcement because he's cried wolf too many times. However, when he shot his mouth off about Mexicans, he shot himself in the foot and lost his TV show. Now, he has no choice but to go full steam ahead with this.
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Cantorsdust posted:Trump is, in a twisted way, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. He's the political outsider who's "not afraid to tell it like it is." Trump doesn't need a detailed plan to address the Middle East, Iran, Mexico, or China. He's not a politician; he's the stand-in for the average bigoted, ignorant Republican voter. Every American dreams of someone with true principles running for president--we're seeing the same effect with Bernie now (and with Campaign Obama a long time ago). It's just that Trump's principles are, well, horrendous. He's a Republican Bullworth.
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Trabisnikof posted:If both candidates would be hamstrung and limited entirely by popular support, what's the point of arguing he has mad Republican skills and could get progressive things passed because of those skills? He's not uncompromising, he's uncompromised. His positions are clear (and progressive) but he's a pragmatist. The argument - mine, at least - is that he's willing to stake his position far to the left and then move as far to the right as is necessary to get as much of it realized as possible. I don't see how a republican congress would be any MORE obstructionist with him than with Clinton as president, and his willingness to work with republicans on reasonable legislation buys him some fractional measure of good will that puts him above the decades of name-brand opposition that Clinton would bring. This is before considering the weight of popular opinion that would support his positions following a general victory.
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It's probably telling that a lot of people make a lot of their judgment on who to back for POTUS on "Will this person yell loudest and best at people I dislike?"Cephalocidal posted:He's not uncompromising, he's uncompromised. His positions are clear (and progressive) but he's a pragmatist. The argument - mine, at least - is that he's willing to stake his position far to the left and then move as far to the right as is necessary to get as much of it realized as possible. I don't see how a republican congress would be any MORE obstructionist with him than with Clinton as president, and his willingness to work with republicans on reasonable legislation buys him some fractional measure of good will that puts him above the decades of name-brand opposition that Clinton would bring. This is before considering the weight of popular opinion that would support his positions following a general victory.
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Nessus posted:It's probably telling that a lot of people make a lot of their judgment on who to back for POTUS on "Will this person yell loudest and best at people I dislike?" Bernie Sanders could do a lot of good for the country as its president. Yelling loudly at people I dislike is just a bonus.
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Indie Rocktopus posted:- Trump is impervious to scandal, and he doesn't seem be hurt by gaffes. He's said repulsive things, even by Republican standards, and reporters have made it very clear his supposed fortune is mostly bullshit - but every single time he's gets called out, he refuses to back off, and instead doubles down on his position in the most pompous and insincere way possible. And then he gets away with it. Bush got smacked from the left and the conservative faithful for his moronic, indecisive statements on Iraq because there's no correct way to answer that question - the war was a fiasco and Bush is inextricably associated with it, but he's not allowed to ever admit the Republican party was ever wrong about anything. Trump can just brag about he would have dropped nukes on all of 'em plus North Korea, but you can't call him on that, allowing him to completely sidestep a contentious issue that's doing major damage to the other candidates. You can point out that Trump's fortune is mostly nonexistent, and he'll just start screaming about the hugest most luxurious hotels and casinos until people just accept his claims. You could find out he was running a dog-fighting ring, and he'd say he was forced to by market conditions and anyway he was only meeting the public's demand. In other words, "he is un-fact-checkable": quote:This is the whole thing about fact-checking Donald Trump: He is un-fact-checkable. That's his gift and his angle. As he made clear today, he says whatever he wants for as long as he wants, because, why not? If I sat down with him and said that he was wrong on GDP or wrong on premiums, he would call me a hater and a loser and disparage my dog or something. Who knows? Who knows?!
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Cantorsdust posted:Trump is, in a twisted way, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. He's the political outsider who's "not afraid to tell it like it is." Trump doesn't need a detailed plan to address the Middle East, Iran, Mexico, or China. He's not a politician; he's the stand-in for the average bigoted, ignorant Republican voter. Every American dreams of someone with true principles running for president--we're seeing the same effect with Bernie now (and with Campaign Obama a long time ago). It's just that Trump's principles are, well, horrendous. Lote posted:He's a Republican Bullworth. Actually, the movie reference you're both looking for is A Face in the Crowd (1957) starring Andy Griffith. P.S.: go watch that if you haven't seen it. It's great and basically predicts the Glenn Beck / Sarah Palin / Michele Bachmann / Herman Cain / Donald Trump political phenomenon.
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Nessus posted:It's probably telling that a lot of people make a lot of their judgment on who to back for POTUS on "Will this person yell loudest and best at people I dislike?" I have to wonder if socialist-doomsaying is played out. "He's a socialist radical! A Marxist! Precious bodily fluids! For real this time!"
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Would anybody mind tl;dring the past 800 pages of poo poo happening since Trump announced?
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Huckabee on a field of dreams https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=uSWqexsKy7c
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Iowa Snow King posted:I have to wonder if socialist-doomsaying is played out. "He's a socialist radical! A Marxist! Precious bodily fluids! For real this time!" But I don't think it would take long. I also suspect Bernie might be inclined towards the same kind of things as first-term Obama - do we have evidence that he drives hard bargains?
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:Would anybody mind tl;dring the past 800 pages of poo poo happening since Trump announced? Trump said more racist things. Univision and NBC cancelled his beauty pageant. He is now suing them for violating his 1st amendment rights and also too they can't use his golf course. Macy's has stopped selling his products. Plus, Chris Chistie and Jim Webb announced, Scott Walker and John Kasich announced that they are announcing, Bernie raised a lot of money, and Hillary will be the next President of the United States. That's about it, I think.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:12
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But, Senator, how soon is now?
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Thanks Joe God drat what is wrong with Ted's face
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:Thanks Joe He always looks like he has weird make-up on.
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Joementum posted:But, Senator, how soon is now? Was this taken by someone else in a mirror or flipped, or what? It's messing with my head 
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Joementum posted:But, Senator, how soon is now? i am the son, and the heir of a silence that is criminally vulgar i am the son and heir of nothing in particular you shut your mouth how can you say i go about things the wrong way? i am human and I need to be loved just like everybody else does
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:Thanks Joe Oh, I almost forgot. This happened too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrEmQk3u88U Yup, that was a thing.
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Joementum posted:But, Senator, how soon is now? Now... what?
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Jul 3, 2015 00:27
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Well where's this Scott Walker logo that was supposed to show up at 5:59? I need to make fun of it on Facebook.
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site posted:Now... what? He reveals his true form as a Canadian agent provocateur sent to soften us for the inevitable invasion. He would have nearly gotten away with it too if only Trump hadn't forced his hand.
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robot roll call posted:Well where's this Scott Walker logo that was supposed to show up at 5:59? I need to make fun of it on Facebook.  quote:Welcome to the first glimpse of the official campaign logo. Over the next 9 days, you'll get a chance to see the logo one piece at a time and it's only going to be on Instagram. If you're excited to see what lies ahead, like, share, regram and tag your friends and get ready for Scott Walker for President. #logo #design #election #GOP #Republican #Conservative 
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So it has AMERICA in it
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:So it has AMERICA in it Let's not rush to judgement here.
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