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No that's just GW's typical, decades-long unwavering inability to use exact language. What they mean is that you can (only) use shooting attacks in the shooting phase and can (only) use melee attacks in the melee phase. You can definitely shoot and then melee in the same turn, though.
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Leperflesh posted:I understand, but you're aware Warhammer has been haphazardly ripping off cultural heritages for its entire existence, right? From the not-English Albion to the not-German Empire to the not-Egyptian Tomb Kings and the not-... well OK, outright Japanese Nippon, practically everything in the old Warhammer world was a case of a thin veneer stretched over poorly-researched historical cultures and peoples. They generally don't rip off mythologies wholesale and then erase the actual cultures from it. They've stuck mostly to offensive stereotypes they've tried their best to forget or downplay over time. The Tomb Kings were presumably pseudo-egyptians still, just like the Albion people were celts/picts and the German Empire people were clearly Germanic stereotypes with silly Germanic-sounding names. They didn't replace Hans and Friedrich with random nounverb names. This is them taking the elements of a culture and erasing the actual people and history entirely to replace them with their own. Like, games that steal Norse/Viking stuff generally do at the very least feature Norse/Vikings, overplayed and stereotyped as they might be. They were even in the Old World that way. This is outright deletion. They'll probably get away with it easier; it's not like Norse culture has a history of being oppressed by a foreign power or something. We're not talking post-colonial literature studies here. But it's offensive to me on a pretty goddamn personal level regardless.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:06
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the only targeting limitations for attacks are: - the target is within range - the target can TLOS its target (IMPORTANT: nothing about arcs) shooting in combat is in. shooting into combat is in. shooting out of combat into another unit is in. shooting out of combat into another friendly combat is also in.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:06
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hahaha so does that mean much like in current 40k, assault only armies are kinda hosed??? wouldnt ranged units be kind of just as good at melee as melee units, now that WS vs WS to hit no longer exists??? I am gay???
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Jul 3, 2015 00:07
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Rulebook Heavily posted:So I'm reading this setting background. Sounds like this game's pushed you up to the state of emergency. 
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Jul 3, 2015 00:09
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Moola posted:hahaha it means that armies that have models w/ a not terrible combat profile as well as a decent ranged weapon (skull cannons, leadbelchers, irondrakes) are loving terrifying. looks like all of the shooting modifiers are gone and cover is now a +save like in 40k, so expect wood elves to run rampant
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Jul 3, 2015 00:10
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Ghur, the Realm of Beasts It's like they're not even trying!
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Jul 3, 2015 00:11
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Business Gorillas posted:the only targeting limitations for attacks are: does this also mean I can shoot at my own dudes if I want???
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Jul 3, 2015 00:12
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Moola posted:does this also mean I can shoot at my own dudes if I want??? play an empire general that shoots himself in the head whenever he gets into combat. forge your own narrative and spray your own brains onto the battlefield
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Jul 3, 2015 00:15
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wait lol, yes does that mean you could even target yourself???!?!?!??! !!!! ???
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Jul 3, 2015 00:16
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Rulebook Heavily posted:So I'm reading this setting background. 
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Jul 3, 2015 00:17
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it depends on if you can see yourself. make sure you have an arm stretched out on the model or something to TLoS applies
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Jul 3, 2015 00:17
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Jul 3, 2015 00:18
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what if I model a skeleton holding his head in one hand, which is looking at his other arm the other arm is holding a pistol, aimed at the head rofl
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Jul 3, 2015 00:19
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Moola posted:what if I model a skeleton holding his head in one hand, which is looking at his other arm so long as missile weapons don't have minimum ranges, consider this narrative forged
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Jul 3, 2015 00:21
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lmao if min ranges are a thing then; skeleton holding a huge selfie stick with a gun pointing at his face lol
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Jul 3, 2015 00:23
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Chaos dwarf blunderbusses are now the OP weapon in age of sigmor Shooting into all the combats.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:26
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Lol if you think the person who wrote these rules even knew chaos dwarfs were a thing
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Jul 3, 2015 00:31
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Saint Drogo posted:Lol if you think the person who wrote these rules even knew chaos dwarfs were a thing There is a warscroll for the Hell Cannon, therefore they know a Chaos Dwarf exists!
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Jul 3, 2015 00:33
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I am so tempted to print the rules out, go through them with a highlighter, take them into the local GW and ruin some nerd kids day. On one hand, they're just the poor fuckers that have to push this hot mess. On the other, they had a massive sale on movement trays last week, and last night put up photos up of them smiling as they throw FB stuff into the garbage.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:41
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does this mean if I goto my local GWs dumpster, there will be loads of free WHFB kits???
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Gonna read this whole poo poo and jot up my feelings as I go: The first little intro reads like its pleading anyone to beleive this will be good, "crammed to the brim with two armies!" Sigmar is hurled through the warp clinging onto the fragment of the old warhammer world, the great drake dracothion comes up to him and is like "hey bro, drop that old poo poo, have you seen these sick new realms?" Sigmar runs around the worlds which are already populated with humans for reasons, he fights monsters and conan's it up like the Emprah and forges a perfect imperium out of making alliances with squatted armies and fancy new ones. Everything falls to poo poo because Chaos does what it does and things become 40k planescape. One of the realms Sigmar discovers is the Chaos realm, genius probably shouldn't have trusted it. Chaos Gods get bored eating the Old world (that sigmar was clinging to? wat?) and turn their attention to Sigmar's new home. Sigmar's grand alliance is broken by "the greatest of betrayals" so some kind of Horus Heresy event I assume. Archaon shows up and is like "sup" and loving wrecks everything, Sigmar bravely hides in his treehouse on Azyr. After two centuries of Archaon killing everyone in the realms "The God King" turns up and hes been hanging around with Grungi who is still here and they've made space marines together in the treehouse. I wish they weren't making Sigmar be the emperor, cause this would have been a fun image if he wasn't now a god king with a heavy heart and a secret grand plan. The spacemarines are chosen from the best people in the realm and magicked in to be body-horrored into brainwashed justice monsters. The setting is Sigmar's strike back against chaos for the first time since they wrecked the bubble realms. So we may well get a Sigmar model. This also makes me think we might see a sorta vaguely Warmahordish approach to continuing the lore where as Sigmars fight against chaos gets more intense bigger models come out End Times style, then presumably they squat it all and start over next year. Vaguely possible this could be how they actually release a proper ninth edition and this is a filler "chapter" setting up the new world with a simple ruleset. But only if you're childishly optimistic, its much more likely this just becomes an excuse to have everything be time limited formations. Stormcastmarines have purity seals Khorgoraths eat blood and skulls bloodreavers trick their captives into becoming khorne worshipping cannibals oh my god theres so much more okay heres some stormcast backstory, their veins and armour is made of the remains of the old world which the chaos gods were supposed to be chewing on until recently so i dont know what Sigmarines respawn in Azyr when killed but go hollow or something, maybe a setup for future chaos sigmarines and oh its over that was quick, the lore is eh... more buzzwords than hooks. Sorry for the word salad. Bonus terrible shitwords: Vandus Hammerhand and his Thunderstrike Brotherhood Great Drake Dracothion Anactos Skyhelm, Lord of the Skyhost Skuldrak the Khorgorath and his Bloodstoker, Vekh the Flayer Threx Skullbrand is the Bloodsecrator of the Goretide and carries Khorne's Portal of Skulls
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Jul 3, 2015 00:52
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Rulebook Heavily posted:They generally don't rip off mythologies wholesale and then erase the actual cultures from it. They've stuck mostly to offensive stereotypes they've tried their best to forget or downplay over time. The Tomb Kings were presumably pseudo-egyptians still, just like the Albion people were celts/picts and the German Empire people were clearly Germanic stereotypes with silly Germanic-sounding names. They didn't replace Hans and Friedrich with random nounverb names. please tell me more about how you feel about this
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Jul 3, 2015 00:55
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Kinda lovely tbh
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nopantsjack posted:
I hope there is a slaanesh army supplement that is literally 50 shade of grey with some of the names and phrases Warhammered.
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Jul 3, 2015 01:14
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Rulebook Heavily posted:They generally don't rip off mythologies wholesale and then erase the actual cultures from it. They've stuck mostly to offensive stereotypes they've tried their best to forget or downplay over time. The Tomb Kings were presumably pseudo-egyptians still, just like the Albion people were celts/picts and the German Empire people were clearly Germanic stereotypes with silly Germanic-sounding names. They didn't replace Hans and Friedrich with random nounverb names. 
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Moola posted:does this mean if I goto my local GWs dumpster, there will be loads of free WHFB kits??? No, they're all being sent back and then buried in the Arizona desert
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Jul 3, 2015 01:18
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nopantsjack posted:Sigmarines respawn in Azyr when killed but go hollow or something, maybe a setup for future chaos sigmarines There are immortal warriors who lose a bit of themselves when they die? Gee I wonder why that sounds familiar... 
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Jul 3, 2015 01:27
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Best of luck to anyone who tries to say "CHAMON" without saying it in a terrible Michael Jackson impersonation. CHAMON-AH!
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Jul 3, 2015 01:44
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Rulebook Heavily posted:So I'm reading this setting background. GW Death Pool: This just corssed a line I didn't know I had.
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Jul 3, 2015 02:11
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Nash posted:I just traded in some Magic cards that I haven't played with in years and traded the store credit for a bastiladon. Today, a card went from $40 where it has always been to $90. I could sell that and buy the ankylosaurus but it's the principle of the thing. :/
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Jul 3, 2015 03:38
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Rulebook Heavily posted:They generally don't rip off mythologies wholesale and then erase the actual cultures from it. They've stuck mostly to offensive stereotypes they've tried their best to forget or downplay over time. The Tomb Kings were presumably pseudo-egyptians still, just like the Albion people were celts/picts and the German Empire people were clearly Germanic stereotypes with silly Germanic-sounding names. They didn't replace Hans and Friedrich with random nounverb names. fuckin lol
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Jul 3, 2015 03:58
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i mean i'd get being mad about appropriating norse mythology but your ancestors willingly gave that up like 500-800 years ago so  edit: i'm half Lithuanian do i get a right to demand reparations from the mongols?
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Jul 3, 2015 04:42
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catholics better get mad at lord of the rings because have i got news for you
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Business Gorillas posted:i mean i'd get being mad about appropriating norse mythology but your ancestors willingly gave that up like 500-800 years ago so "Gave up" as in "is still taught in schools from elementary onwards as an active part of Icelandic culture, in the original language, complete with an organized religion?" Like if you think this isn't a living thing, sorry I guess. Now you know. A lot of people believe that, presumably because it's something used to justify stealing elements of it all the time. And normally I wouldn't give a particular poo poo, it's just when someone does it, erases the actual culture out of it and then tries to trademark and claim ownership over it that it gets lovely. That's a new level of bullshit. The irony of it is, I can see what they're trying to do. They base their setting on Norse myth, but erase all references to Norse cultural concepts so they can trademark everything and claim ownership and challenge knockoff makers willy nilly with their totally unique look and feel and concept. But if anyone can demonstrate that Age of Sigmar is based on Norse mythology, and anyone can do this trivially, they can just make their own knockoff "Lightning Men" or "Thunder Warriors," say they based them on Norse myth independently of Age of Sigmar (since you can't copyright or trademark that sort of thing) and get high off GWs fuming rage. The stupid nounverb-everything-so-it-is-trademarkable strategy is undercut by their decision to do this. So I guess I can feel better about GWs poo poo because they shot their own foot doing it.
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Rulebook Heavily posted:"Gave up" as in "is still taught in schools from elementary onwards as an active part of Icelandic culture, in the original language, complete with an organized religion?" Like if you think this isn't a living thing, sorry I guess. Now you know. A lot of people believe that, presumably because it's something used to justify stealing elements of it all the time. And normally I wouldn't give a particular poo poo, it's just when someone does it, erases the actual culture out of it and then tries to trademark and claim ownership over it that it gets lovely. That's a new level of bullshit. Do they actually actively teach Norse mythology in Icelandic schools? Thats pretty interesting, whats the pantheon called in the native tongue? Asatru I guess. And this is pretty metal. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/05/why-iceland-is-building-a-temple-to-its-pagan-gods.html "The God of Thunder is making a triumphant return to Iceland. After 1,000 years without a temple of worship to the Norse gods, Iceland is resurrecting its pagan roots. A collective of followers called Ásatrúarfélagiđ has started construction on the shrine to Thor, Odin and Frigg, that will overlook the capital city of Reykjavík—for the first time since the Viking religion was superseded by Christianity."
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They're just the "Ásar" or "Ćsir", depending on context. Ásatrú (Ása-faith) is the religion, like Kristintrú (christian-faith) is the Christian religion. By the way I will have zero problems with someone using Norse myth to do that knockoff thing I mentioned to troll GWs rear end, although I'll understand if no one wants to make knockoffs for a game that will fail.
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Rulebook Heavily posted:They're just the "Ásar" or "Ćsir", depending on context. Ásatrú (Ása-faith) is the religion, like Kristintrú (christian-faith) is the Christian religion. I know it's sort of off topic for the gently caress GW thread, but I'd be genuinely interested to hear more about Iceland's relationship with Norse religion in the modern day.
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Jul 3, 2015 05:09
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Business Gorillas posted:the only targeting limitations for attacks are: That's exactly how it works in Warhammer Diskwars, and it's actually pretty awesome.
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Rulebook Heavily posted:They're just the "Ásar" or "Ćsir", depending on context. Ásatrú (Ása-faith) is the religion, like Kristintrú (christian-faith) is the Christian religion. Being that it's a English company don't they have as much cultural right to the myths through their AngloSaxon heritage as you do through your Norse heritage?
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