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Several of the WoW progression guilds I've been in were fanatical about DPS/healing meters, to the point where timing and situational awareness were seen at best as excuses. Other guilds were smart about it. I don't think it's a universal issue, but I think it's lovely enough to not want to see it again. I play a tank, I usually do roulettes solo, and I'll take the occasional wipe due to low DPS over occasional douchey behavior. It's possible that FFXIV's generally kinder community would generally see meters for what they are, a tool for potential improvement. That said, if I'm at a point where DPS matters that much, I'm probably running with folks who are at least amenable to hearing data from a member of the raid, if they're not running ACT themselves. The Fight Club approach works well enough when it matters, and things like CT have been set up to emphasize raid mechanics over optimal rotation efficiency.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:"What's your dps, I know you can see it" People want to know if I am actually doing my job in this cooperative video game so we can successfully defeat encounters and not waste the time of three/seven other people? TOXIC PROBLEMATIC I'M BEING TRIGGERED
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Jul 4, 2015 02:18
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Actually I only play the game so I can be in the dark and spend 2 hours wiping on Ravana(hard).
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Jul 4, 2015 02:20
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isk posted:Several of the WoW progression guilds I've been in were fanatical about DPS/healing meters, to the point where timing and situational awareness were seen at best as excuses. Other guilds were smart about it. I don't think it's a universal issue, but I think it's lovely enough to not want to see it again. I've had that opinion for ages (never was in a guild where DPS meters were that important but that's a garbage guild to begin with) but when I zone into Aery and do quite literally half the party's damage as the tank because the two DPS can't break 250 is just too much. It's not even occasional. I had a Summoner today (in Fractal) whose abilties used were Ruin 3 without Dreadwyrm Painflare Dreadwyrm Stance and immediately Deathflare Ruin 1 once out of MP to use Ruin 3.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:23
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What is the best dps meter to use right now?
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Jul 4, 2015 02:24
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KaneTW posted:I've had that opinion for ages (never was in a guild where DPS meters were that important but that's a garbage guild to begin with) but when I zone into Aery and do quite literally half the party's damage as the tank because the two DPS can't break 250 is just too much. Hes playing a nuke summoner, you can't tell people how to live their life!
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Jul 4, 2015 02:24
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Pews posted:What is the best dps meter to use right now? Advanced Combat Tracker (ACT)
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Jul 4, 2015 02:24
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Pews posted:What is the best dps meter to use right now? Advanced Combat Tracker(ACT) with the rainbow mage overlay plugin  If there's interest I could write up a crash course in some html and you guys could customize the overlay yourself.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:26
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its me im the nin that forgets to turn on poisons dont metershame
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Jul 4, 2015 02:29
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Thumbtacks posted:I'm a little annoyed that the box on the side doesn't change based on the design of the gun (or color scheme), so it's nice to find something that can match. At the very least if you have a gun that can be dyed, like the Magitek gun or the Doman gun, both the box and your Gauss Barrel will be dyed too.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:30
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Kitfox88 posted:its me What up poison forgetting buddy. I'm against meters though, mostly because they don't actually fix the fundamental problem with bad DPS, which is either a refusal to learn how their abilities work or an inability to learn/keep up with mechanics. Just having a number doesn't tell anyway what's wrong, only that something is wrong.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:40
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KaneTW posted:dude this isn't how it works do you have a shitposting meter that tells you what I'm doing wrong, I'd like some input
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Jul 4, 2015 02:41
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:do you have a shitposting meter that tells you what I'm doing wrong, I'd like some input yes, you're still alive and breathing
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Jul 4, 2015 02:41
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Kwyndig posted:What up poison forgetting buddy. just a cursory glance at data from act/recount/various dps meters gives you individual ability numbers and poo poo and you can immediately figure out what's wrong with someones dps if you're familiar with the class and help them
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Jul 4, 2015 02:43
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speaking of meters and dps and everyone sucking, how does wildfire work? it's just functionally a 20 percent damage increase, right? the language is sort of unclear if the 20 percent damage is 'set aside' during the timer and dealt at the end, or if you're dealing full damage the whole time and then 20 percent of whatever you did gets tacked on at the end. i want to say it's the latter because the former wouldn't actually do anything, but i'm not sure.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:43
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KaneTW posted:I've had that opinion for ages (never was in a guild where DPS meters were that important but that's a garbage guild to begin with) but when I zone into Aery and do quite literally half the party's damage as the tank because the two DPS can't break 250 is just too much. Yep, it's bad, and it seems to be getting worse the further we're out from EA. I won't go into specifics, but I've seen similar levels of awful as recent as last night. And probably will, if I keep solo queueing in DR. I just don't think DR is usually a productive place to have a conversation about DPS meters.
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Tenzarin posted:Advanced Combat Tracker(ACT) with the rainbow mage overlay plugin Please do because I don't understand technology
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Jul 4, 2015 02:47
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Countblanc posted:Please do because I don't understand technology CSS mother fucker, do you speak it?
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Jul 4, 2015 02:53
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Tarranon posted:or we could just resign ourselves to only doing content when the echo drops, that throws dps checks right the frick out the window :v. I've never seen a T12 group get five bennu post echo, and that was one of the hardest DPS checks I've ever seen in the game Start resigning, the producers are fairly open about thinking people that want meters are poo poo tier human beings that deserve no respect. Like you could make the most logical and reasoned argument in the world and it doesn't matter because the people making the game don't give a gently caress. This isn't a discussion, because one side isn't listening.
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Boogaleeboo posted:Start resigning, the producers are fairly open about thinking people that want meters are poo poo tier human beings that deserve no respect. Like you could make the most logical and reasoned argument in the world and it doesn't matter because the people making the game don't give a gently caress. This isn't a discussion, because one side isn't listening. Yep any discussion of the game that isn't directly relayed to Yoshi-P himself is worthless. That's it boys I guess we can close up shop here.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:01
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Pews posted:Yep any discussion of the game that isn't directly relayed to Yoshi-P himself is worthless. That's it boys I guess we can close up shop here. well it's not a discussion, it's just me making a post and the thread blowing the gently caress up about it while no one who can do anything about it would ever give a poo poo
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Jul 4, 2015 03:06
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Boogaleeboo posted:Start resigning, the producers are fairly open about thinking people that want meters are poo poo tier human beings that deserve no respect. Like you could make the most logical and reasoned argument in the world and it doesn't matter because the people making the game don't give a gently caress. This isn't a discussion, because one side isn't listening. We already have meters and live in a world of meters, I just want the common man to be able to benefit as well I am of the people, that way
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Jul 4, 2015 03:08
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Tarranon posted:We already have meters and live in a world of meters, I just want the common man to be able to benefit as well 1% of players do 93% of the game's dps. Occupy Ishgard
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Boogaleeboo posted:Start resigning, the producers are fairly open about thinking people that want meters are poo poo tier human beings that deserve no respect. Like you could make the most logical and reasoned argument in the world and it doesn't matter because the people making the game don't give a gently caress. This isn't a discussion, because one side isn't listening. Did Yoshi P take an Atma-shaped poo poo in your Cheerios this morning
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Jul 4, 2015 03:10
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Tenzarin posted:Advanced Combat Tracker(ACT) with the rainbow mage overlay plugin
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Jul 4, 2015 03:11
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vanbags posted:For some reason that is probably easily fixable, my game runs a lot better in Fullscreen mode versus Windowed mode. I suppose I could just get used to alt-tabbing or invest in a second monitor. Disable aero and desktop composition.
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Eej posted:Did Yoshi P take an Atma-shaped poo poo in your Cheerios this morning I love the game and don't care about meters [ilvl gating generally does that job well enough], it's just the producers have been massively clear over a period of years about both not wanting them and being willing to ban for having third party tools. So it's pretty much always going to be the way it is now: "Illegal" third party programs to do it, the majority not having it, and it meaning sweet gently caress all either way. You can of course keep talking about the issue, it's just....resolved.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:15
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If someone could explain how to set act up because I am a lazy worthless tool that would be great, I want to shame bad people
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Jul 4, 2015 03:34
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Is Alexander this tuesday? I thought it was 4 weeks after launch.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:42
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Alexander extreme or hard or savage or whatever is 4 weeks after, iirc. Normal mode is tuesday
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Boogaleeboo posted:I love the game and don't care about meters [ilvl gating generally does that job well enough], it's just the producers have been massively clear over a period of years about both not wanting them and being willing to ban for having third party tools. So it's pretty much always going to be the way it is now: "Illegal" third party programs to do it, the majority not having it, and it meaning sweet gently caress all either way. You can of course keep talking about the issue, it's just....resolved. I don't think ilevel gating does anything but get in the way. Being i180 doesn't mean much when you still parse sub-200...
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Jul 4, 2015 04:19
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Jul 4, 2015 04:48
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Those quests are truly a moogle masterpiece.
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At least they had the decency of giving you the majority of those quests after you get flying. Compared to the 
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Jul 4, 2015 04:57
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EponymousMrYar posted:At least they had the decency of giving you the majority of those quests after you get flying. Think you meant the Forelands here, but the Hinterlands have an equally awful issue on the west side where you gotta follow that winding road down to the same river for like 3 quests that have to all be turned in at Idylshire 
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Jul 4, 2015 05:08
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There aren't many 58 quests. This is not fun. Time to grind out Vault I guess.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:16
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EponymousMrYar posted:At least they had the decency of giving you the majority of those quests after you get flying. That quest chain where you get the starter hunter a hunter partner has given me a nervous tic for the eastern half of the forelands any time I'm on ground there I reflexively hit my mount key and fly away in disgust
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Jul 4, 2015 05:17
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If this thread never talked about parsing or meters again, I wouldn't be too upset about it.
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abraham linksys posted:Think you meant the Forelands here, but the Hinterlands have an equally awful issue on the west side where you gotta follow that winding road down to the same river for like 3 quests that have to all be turned in at Idylshire At least it's not current-hunting in the Sea of Clouds.
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This happened in High Roulette the other day. White Cake asked me to marry her, Raspberry Muffin wanted me to renounce my FC and join hers, and Blueberry Muffin made several sexual passes at me. Good party.
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