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Jul 5, 2015 18:58
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Broseph Brostar posted:A superman metroidvania sounds horrible The Batman metroidvania turned out ok
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Jul 5, 2015 18:59
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Yeah but thats with Batman having gadgets to unlock. "Geez I know there's an unlock here, but I don't have the leap buildings in a single bound upgrade yet."
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Jul 5, 2015 19:02
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The superman returns game was bad, but it had a nice idea. Superman didn't have a health bar, because he's superman and invincible. Metropolis did though. Smash a guy through a building? metropolis gets hurt.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:08
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Broseph Brostar posted:Yeah but thats with Batman having gadgets to unlock. I think it'd be fun to progress through a game from muscly badass to literal god, and the hugely raised stakes could make for a clever take on the genre itself, but 
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Jul 5, 2015 19:10
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A superman game fundamentally would not work because Superman is, by default, the most powerful. You have to downgrade him from his normal status in order to make him usable which is a lovely concept and part of why Superman is kind of a lovely comic. They pretty much wrote themselves into a corner when they were creating Supes: He can do anything, ergo he's basically One Punch Man minus the self-awareness. Nothing can stop him by default so he has to be made weaker than he normally would be for anything ever to challenge him. So when you, the player, theoretically upgrade your Superman, you're not making him better as you do Batman's gadgets, you're making him more akin to how he normally is. Which sucks.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:12
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Real hurthling! posted:if you wanted to piss lots of people off, sure. people hate this in games like metroid Metroid is an extremely beloved series and this exact mechanic has become integral to what is essentially its own genre. I'd much prefer something like that to just being told 'You're Superman, go destroy everything and we'll come up with some artificial difficulty excuses later if we feel like it'.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:13
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My ideal Superman game would have an ending resembling this picture:
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Jul 5, 2015 19:14
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Steve2911 posted:Metroid is an extremely beloved series and this exact mechanic has become integral to what is essentially its own genre. the beginning conceit of metroid prime is rear end. rear end is extremely beloved by fart sniffers
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Jul 5, 2015 19:16
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A Superman game could be fun but its 1) probably a puzzle game( like taking out some robots while catching 3 falling people and putting out a fire), not a combat game, because Superman is invincible and it would be like having an infinite fear takedown in Arkham language and 2) maybe a couple generations off because it would require a life-size model of the Earth, including low Earth orbit, and not feel extremely sparse (so, a bunch of bespoke cities at least the size of Gotham in Knight, or more realistically, procedural generated cities). It would need to be the worlds biggest and fastest flight sim, and be able to transition seamlessly from orbit to ground level. Edit: also completely destructible environments because you need to be able to punch Zod through buildings.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:28
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Is Superman vulnerable to magic or whatever insane comic book canon or something? Just make the bad guys all have magic instead of kryptonite. Or gently caress it I dunno, stop trying to make Superman games.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:39
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Press triangle to grab enemy's hand and tut condescendingly.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:48
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Just do the gotham city sirens already. They already have combat, ivy stealth/plant gadgets, harley melee weapons, catwoman speedy combat, can do stealth too, she is a cat burglar. They were sorta just doing their own thing in the comics as opposed to being true heros or villains, and I'd love to play as them, and the have interesting ties with established villains and heros already. 
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Jul 5, 2015 19:53
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Sober posted:There also just weren't enough predator challenges or interesting medal conditions. Not to mention you can have so many drat distruptor shots and it basically can do anything in this game, cools down fairly fast, as does smoke (vs. 1 use in AC/AO). I'd just like to see just more predator maps in general and extreme variations of them. The one only timed predator challenge was interesting but I'd like to see all 3 (or 4?) banks each with their own timer as well instead of just the first bank. The layouts of the others are really fun and it's a shame they've gone to waste. The disruptor and hacking device really ruin the predator sections. As soon as they introduce a new enemy type, a new upgrade becomes available for the disruptor or hacking device that negates that enemy. Some of them, like the disruptor upgrade that incapacitates medics if they try to revive someone, literally make no sense. How on earth does a digital disruptor interfere with manually using a health pack or adrenaline shot?
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Jul 5, 2015 19:59
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acksplode posted:The Batman metroidvania turned out ok There's plenty of bad ways to do it! See: Arkham Origins Blackgate.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:00
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I dunno, a Superman game could work, just bring back those pills from Injustice. And, Hell, he's got a number of villains that can trade blows with him.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:00
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CJacobs posted:A superman game fundamentally would not work because Superman is, by default, the most powerful. You have to downgrade him from his normal status in order to make him usable which is a lovely concept and part of why Superman is kind of a lovely comic. They pretty much wrote themselves into a corner when they were creating Supes: He can do anything, ergo he's basically One Punch Man minus the self-awareness. Nothing can stop him by default so he has to be made weaker than he normally would be for anything ever to challenge him. So when you, the player, theoretically upgrade your Superman, you're not making him better as you do Batman's gadgets, you're making him more akin to how he normally is. Which sucks. So do you think every Superman comic is just Superman beating the enemy in one punch or something? Superman is at a super-high power level but that means he either fights enemies at that power level or faces challenges that can't be defeated by just punching them. Both of which are completely viable for video games if more challenging than the standard. The idea the Superman Returns game had for making your health bar not Superman but the city was interesting if poorly executed but there are a lot of ways to handle characters who are extremely strong. Even regardless of that, "Superman is the super-strongest and never faces any challenges ever because he is the strongest" doesn't actually describe Superman. The dude, yes, would pretty effortlessly stop The Joker or Two-Face or whatever, but that is why they put him up against villains of similar power levels or who otherwise are on a level where he is actually challenged by them. You'll have a harder time justify mooks for him to fight but "Superman fights an army of robots/alien/alien robots" isn't anything new for the character. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Jul 5, 2015 20:08
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Yeah, make a superman game set in a space station or something, that'd be a nice change of pace. You can have superman fight Metallo, Brainiac, Lobo, Doomsday, Mr Mxzyt, Bizarro and other super powered dudes, have Luthor in a kryptonite super armor. and bam you get a good game.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:12
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TheJoker138 posted:Superman constantly tries to steer the fight away from the city but Zod keeps bringing it back, because Zod is a villain and trying to murder people. If you didn't get this you're bad at watching movies because, while they don't say it out loud, it's perfectly clear from the actions taking place. Superman doesn't do anything to steer the fight away from the city. He kisses his girlfriend surrounded by corpses and ash. This is reminiscent of the original Superman character: a vigilante power fantasy who killed thugs, kidnapped politicians, and destroyed homes. Batman was also a ruthless killer and regularly used a gun:  
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Jul 5, 2015 20:18
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It's pretty entertaining to listen to people say that you just can't make a compelling Superman game that suits the character, since that was also the conventional wisdom for Batman prior to Arkham Asylum.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:40
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Toady posted:Superman doesn't do anything to steer the fight away from the city. He kisses his girlfriend surrounded by corpses and ash. This is reminiscent of the original Superman character: a vigilante power fantasy who killed thugs, kidnapped politicians, and destroyed homes.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:46
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I'm convinced that anyone who cannot fathom Superman in a story where he doesn't just punch everything hard and win in .00001 seconds has never actually read Superman. OR seen him in anything besides some sort of parody or pop culture punchline.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:59
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I think it's more a question of how you deal with that in a medium primarily based around hitting and shooting stuff. Also, Riddler's lines are dark as gently caress if you fail Catwoman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE3oWEDNgXI 
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Jul 5, 2015 21:06
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I just found out that the Batgirl DLC was developed by WB Montreal. Oy. I'm not getting the season pass until it's around $10 or less, but that bit of news has me less enthusiastic now. Hopefully since it's not a ton of content it won't be totally riddled with bugs 
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Jul 5, 2015 21:08
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I just found out that the Batgirl DLC was developed by WB Montreal. Oy. I'm not getting the season pass until it's around $10 or less, but that bit of news has me less enthusiastic now. Hopefully since it's not a ton of content it won't be totally riddled with bugs It's sort of weird hearing this argument after Arkham Knight's release honestly. Knight is also extremely buggy, arguably moreso than Origins. (And if you're talking about the PC port, earlier reports say that the Knight port was done by the same people who did the Origins PC port!)
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Jul 5, 2015 21:24
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ImpAtom posted:It's sort of weird hearing this argument after Arkham Knight's release honestly. Knight is also extremely buggy, arguably moreso than Origins. (And if you're talking about the PC port, earlier reports say that the Knight port was done by the same people who did the Origins PC port!) Origins was just poo poo though.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:26
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acksplode posted:It's pretty entertaining to listen to people say that you just can't make a compelling Superman game that suits the character, since that was also the conventional wisdom for Batman prior to Arkham Asylum. batman had good platformers. the gameboy one and the second nes one are fun.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:28
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Steve2911 posted:Origins was just poo poo though. Not really, it was just a cash in with no improvements made on City. Which is probably more to do with decisions made by the people at the top of the company than it has to do with the game making abilities of WB Montreal.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:30
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Superman vs. an Apokolips invasion. Have Darkseid co-opt Zod, Bizarro, Metallo, and...wow Superman has a dearth of iconic villains...stick a Powered Armor Lex fight in there somewhere. Also bring in George Newburn and Clancy Brown (Michael Ironside too unless they can convince Frank Welker to bring back the Dr. Claw voice for Darkseid.) Bam, premise for Superman game.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:31
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Funky Valentine posted:Superman vs. an Apokolips invasion. Have Darkseid co-opt Zod, Bizarro, Metallo, and...wow Superman has a dearth of iconic villains...stick a Powered Armor Lex fight in there somewhere. Also bring in George Newburn and Clancy Brown (Michael Ironside too unless they can convince Frank Welker to bring back the Dr. Claw voice for Darkseid.) Nah, you missed some obvious ones. Parasite, Doomsday, Braniac. Maybe Mongul if you want to go semi-obscure. (He was the dude you had a legit superhero fight with in Superman Returns at least.)
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Jul 5, 2015 21:37
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Let's not forget Toyman
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Jul 5, 2015 21:38
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theflyingorc posted:Not really, it was just a cash in with no improvements made on City. On the other hand if you mess too much with a good formula you end up with Knight and it's problems.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:39
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Kurtofan posted:Let's not forget Toyman Captain Tootsie
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Jul 5, 2015 21:39
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Mongul should show up, act like the main villain for an hour of the game, and then Darkseid kills him with a finger poke.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:39
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theflyingorc posted:Not really, it was just a cash in with no improvements made on City. Pretty much this. It had problems but a lot of the complaints people made about it are also things they're making about Knight, right down to the "the combat doesn't work the same, I can't counter/target the wrong enemies" stuff. I mean Origins got issues but I really don't feel like it deserves the rep it has. It's not the best game (and is probably the worst of the Batman games, depending on how much the Batmobile bugs you) but it's by no means lovely and unplayable.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:39
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Hey goons, are the Lego Batman games any good? I know they aren't the Arkham series, but if I want more juicy Batman goodness, will I find it there?
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Jul 5, 2015 21:40
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chaosapiant posted:Hey goons, are the Lego Batman games any good? I know they aren't the Arkham series, but if I want more juicy Batman goodness, will I find it there? No, you'll find Lego goodness, which is different.
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Jul 5, 2015 21:41
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dscruffy1 posted:There's plenty of bad ways to do it! See: Arkham Origins Blackgate. Are you going to LP it?
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Jul 5, 2015 21:41
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chaosapiant posted:Hey goons, are the Lego Batman games any good? I know they aren't the Arkham series, but if I want more juicy Batman goodness, will I find it there? They're good Lego games but they're not going to be more like Arkham if that is what you're looking for. They also, ironically, have a version of Superman who is true to his power level!
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Jul 5, 2015 21:42
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Did Origins do anything new other than the pistol-style disruptor and remote batclaw and if so did Knight take anything from it?
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