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Warhammer fantasy peaked in 1987 with the 3rd edition, and it has just been a long downward slide into poo poo ever since. The miniatures in the late 80s were just glorious, so much charm, character and endless variety, and you can't beat the feel of good ol' pewter. They didn't break the bank either. I look at the overpriced plastic corporate suit-driven garbage available now and feel sorry for the current generation.
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OutsideAngel posted:So you have an artificially fixed commodity, coupled with an intentionally growing number of people who want that item. Sound great for Wizards, no? Except, because of the Reserved List, they can't offer any supply to meet that demand. Instead, the second-hand market is free to charge $200 PER CARD, cards that Wizards hasn't printed in decades. We're just now (within the last couple of years) starting to see Chinese print shops offer passable counterfeits on demand, not because they couldn't before, but because there's never been so much money in it. Isn't the big thing there that early MtG just wasn't designed with 'balance' in mind? Or perhaps more accurately they didn't know how to, since it was a whole new game, so cards like Black Lotus were absurdly overpowered just because the guys originally making it didn't know what, if anything, would be overpowered. In a slightly more accessible metaphor, imagine if Missingno. was legal and viable in competitive Pokemon. That's the sort of thing on the Reserved List, to my understanding.
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Jul 5, 2015 12:00
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What's Gaming Hitler about this rule?  It is because you *might* lose the roll to the other player and not have 100% control over everything?
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Jul 5, 2015 12:24
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twistedmentat posted:Oh my favorite story about butterfly labs was some buttcoiner going to their office to ask what was going on and why they had delays, and the guy who came out to talk to him was playing with a butterfly knife the whole time. Did it happen to be Ron Perlman in an obnoxious suit?
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Jul 5, 2015 12:32
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Croccers posted:What's Gaming Hitler about this rule? I think it's more to do with RRARRR SMASH FIGURES INTO EACH OTHER RRAARRR 
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Jul 5, 2015 12:44
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Croccers posted:What's Gaming Hitler about this rule? The figures can be pretty fragile and an oldschool metal giant weighs like 3 pounds (it used to be done with a giant-shaped card template for this reason in the previous editions) (even a plastic giant can be pretty hefty, and as noted, the figs can be really fragile). But yeah's that's one of the tamer of the batshit rules. The crazy ones are the ones that literally encourage you to try to force your opponent to dance. This being in a game whose predecessor is routinely played in public places between neckbearded grognards and 12 year-olds with their bored parents looking on. With other rules involving claiming to hear your models talking to you, insulting your opponent, screaming gutturally at your opponent, attempting to trick your opponent into literally kneeling before you.... It's like they're actually trying to get those neckbeards arrested. Except, in a lot of cases, those neckbeards are their own store managers. All in a game which when actually played by people who enjoyed the previous edition appears to basically involve pushing the armies towards each other without any tactics or strategy involved and then rolling handfuls of d6s until
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Jul 5, 2015 12:59
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Did it happen to be Ron Perlman in an obnoxious suit? That suit was amazing.
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Jul 5, 2015 13:05
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:I think it's more to do with RRARRR SMASH FIGURES INTO EACH OTHER RRAARRR  Shove it over on top of everything
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Jul 5, 2015 14:08
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Honestly, is that really dumb marketing? It seems like dumb game design and business decisions in general. Still deserves a "what the christ" though.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:14
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When your game is literally the only marketing you do for your range of miniatures, yes, it's a dumb move in marketing. But then, this comes from the company who wrote this in their last shareholders' report:quote:Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things are otiose in a niche.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:19
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Are they making that much money that they actually applaud not having a marketing department? I don't understand.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:20
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otiose (comparative more otiose, superlative most otiose) 1. Resulting in no effect. 2. Reluctant to work or to exert oneself. 3. Having no reason for being (raison d’être); having no point, reason, or purpose.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:26
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thewireguy posted:Are they making that much money that they actually applaud not having a marketing department? I don't understand. No, they're not. But they THINK they are.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:28
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thespaceinvader posted:When your game is literally the only marketing you do for your range of miniatures, yes, it's a dumb move in marketing. But then, this comes from the company who wrote this in their last shareholders' report: Okay, that is dumb marketing.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:46
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Josef bugman posted:That suit was amazing. God, it really was. 
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Jul 5, 2015 15:15
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OutsideAngel posted:(The best/worst thing about the Reserved List is that the later you look, the more obvious it becomes that they were Reserving cards not based on age, but on how powerful they thought they were/would be. Also their 'predictions' were sometimes pretty dumb. Radiant, but not Tinker?) IIRC, the Reserve List is based on a strict set of criteria consisting of year of first printing, rarity, and whether the card had already been reprinted at the time the list came out. Wizards made no attempt to pick the cards that would later be most valuable, except in those general terms, which is why obscure legends from Legends are now stupidly valuable (look up Hazezon Tamar). They're old, they're rare, they're on the list, and EDH players want them, and it doesn't matter if they're tournament-competitive.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:46
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Cleretic posted:Isn't the big thing there that early MtG just wasn't designed with 'balance' in mind? Or perhaps more accurately they didn't know how to, since it was a whole new game, so cards like Black Lotus were absurdly overpowered just because the guys originally making it didn't know what, if anything, would be overpowered. You're thinking of the banned/restricted lists, which are actually based on what cards are overpowered and either outright ban or limit the number of copies of a card you can have in your deck. The reserved list is just rare old cards that they promise never to reprint to make sure they keep their value for collectors. The fact that several of them are also actually useful in some tournaments is coincidental.
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Jul 5, 2015 16:06
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Did it happen to be Ron Perlman in an obnoxious suit? This was a while ago, but I bet if Pacific Rim had been out, one of the buttcoiners would have been dressed like Hannibal Chao. Speaking of Gaming and marketing, a few years ago, I think 2010, TSR started advertising D&D again. The ads were basically "hey nerd, if you're gonna pretend you're an wizard in your moms basement, you might as well do it with friends!". Clearly they were trying to show the advantages of playing a tabletop RPG over an MMO, but I think the insulting tone of the ads would be a problem for people who already probably have self esteem issues. And the thing is, I can't see some kid who spends 22 hours a day playing WoW wanting to spend the time needed to play an actual D&D game. http://i.imgur.com/hEdHFMR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LxGikwe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0MvhuzT.jpg When I was a kid, this is how they'd advertise D&D From this http://i.imgur.com/6vQOFEg.jpg To this http://i.imgur.com/WBgtAYq.jpg
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twistedmentat posted:This was a while ago, but I bet if Pacific Rim had been out, one of the buttcoiners would have been dressed like Hannibal Chao. That is messed up advertising, I must admit. It has been 20 years since I have played d&d, but those ads would do the exact opposite of making me play. I love this thread.
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Jul 5, 2015 17:55
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Mazerunner posted:My friends are giant goobers who have probably spent at LEAST 1k on it, and literally have boxes and boxes full of the things. Then when they play it's slow, there's a million different rules to account for, they argue a bunch and it almost always is apparent who's going to win within like, two turns and the rest is just mop up. I use to work on heroclix! They had some dumb moves in marketing which is the reason I "use to" such as: Lets make a digital version of the game and make people rebuy their physical figures as digital figures! Lets make it so that when you buy the digital figures, what figure you get is totally random! Lets build a digital version of a board game with an engine meant to make MMO games!
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Jul 5, 2015 18:03
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Alterian posted:I use to work on heroclix! They had some dumb moves in marketing which is the reason I "use to" such as: You are hurting my head.
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Jul 5, 2015 18:07
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thewireguy posted:You are hurting my head. Lets build 3d virtual stores for people to buy tshirts and other apparel and accessories because that worked out well when those were first tried 10 years ago.
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Jul 5, 2015 18:09
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A local electronics shop is family owned and they write their own tv ads. The most recent ones has two of the brothers who own it telling the audience that they take their customer's hard earned money and blow it all on pizza and beer. The purpose was to humorously say "buy locally from us, we put that money back into the community like local restaurants," but Jesus Christ what a smarmy fuckin way to put that.
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Jul 5, 2015 18:14
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thespaceinvader posted:All in a game which when actually played by people who enjoyed the previous edition appears to basically involve pushing the armies towards each other without any tactics or strategy involved and then rolling handfuls of d6s until Yeah later editions of 40K became basically that. In...I think it was 5th or something...a "standard game" was literally 6 turns. Whoever killed the most points worth of crap won. This was also an edition where you'd get magical bonus move if you were within 6" of enemy models. But the movement speed was often like 6 inches so models could move, without using an assault move (which they may only ever have one opportunity to do, ever), you could move a maximum of 3 feet. They'd expect entire tournaments to be played with these rules which were basically "see who can bring the most vehicles and roll the most 6's." It was stupid. Mind you this is a game where a lot of models had to choose move or fire and couldn't do both, some things had 4" of movement, and some guns had 12" ranges. This was after they also removed a lot of the cool flavor stuff that made editions like 2nd so drat cool.
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Jul 5, 2015 18:32
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thewireguy posted:That is messed up advertising, I must admit. It has been 20 years since I have played d&d, but those ads would do the exact opposite of making me play. I love this thread. The idea might have worked if they had shown 4 guys sitting around a table having fun, rather than showing someone who looks like they've realized they only have 17 out of 40 pages done for their advanced ancient non-eculdian geometry class finale essay.
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Cleretic posted:Isn't the big thing there that early MtG just wasn't designed with 'balance' in mind? Or perhaps more accurately they didn't know how to, since it was a whole new game, so cards like Black Lotus were absurdly overpowered just because the guys originally making it didn't know what, if anything, would be overpowered. It's more that Wizards had no idea how quickly and largely Magic would blow up on release, making the whole thing an issue of scale rather than balance. They knew cards like Black Lotus would be strong as hell, but that your average player would buy X packs and see a card like it every twenty times they played. They didn't expect that people would buy boxes of cards, netting them a ton of Black Lotuses and Moxes and Ancestral Recalls. MisterBibs has a new favorite as of 19:08 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Had a friend just try the "hey, wanna make some extra money on the side?" thing on me, which set off the red flags. Then he mentioned it's all done on the internet, and have I heard of Amway. So yeah, red flags confirmed. He got real mad when I told him to gently caress off about it, told me "whatever, be dumb and poor" so I just walked away. So, recruitment failed, I guess.
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Jul 5, 2015 23:44
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RubberLuffy posted:Had a friend just try the "hey, wanna make some extra money on the side?" thing on me, which set off the red flags. Then he mentioned it's all done on the internet, and have I heard of Amway. So yeah, red flags confirmed. He got real mad when I told him to gently caress off about it, told me "whatever, be dumb and poor" so I just walked away. So, recruitment failed, I guess. I'd be royally pissed off if a friend pitched a money making idea to me that sounded like I'd be doing internet porn and turned out to be Amway. Pissed off and disappointed.  I thought the whole Amway thing was dead now. Guess not.
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A girl gave me her number once and i called it and she wanted me to join her Amway thing and I told her to gently caress off. I guess I look like a horrible chump loser. The last few pages in this thread make me feel slightly better about myself though.
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Jul 6, 2015 00:11
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I saw a loving Cutco knife table in Costco. What the gently caress? There was even a vendor there urging people to cut things with his poo poo.
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Jul 6, 2015 00:16
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Oh no, MLMs are still thriving. I'm not sure how exactly they market it, but they always seem to find more suckers to fleece. On a grand scale, they accomplish quite the opposite of dumb marketing. The sales pitches of the fools at the bottom of the pyramid scheme are another thing. 
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So I asked my ex about that WH Fantasy thing and he says he's seen the rules and talked to the local players who have read them (and are excited) and there's none of that monkeycheese bullshit in there. Googling some phrases quoted here led me to this thread and to 1d4chan, and nothing else. So I'm going to say it's probably fake.
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Jul 6, 2015 01:32
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pookel posted:So I asked my ex about that WH Fantasy thing and he says he's seen the rules and talked to the local players who have read them (and are excited) and there's none of that monkeycheese bullshit in there. Googling some phrases quoted here led me to this thread and to 1d4chan, and nothing else. So I'm going to say it's probably fake. I'm not gonna read through WH bullshit to confirm or deny, but all the poo poo's available here so you can check if it's fake or not.
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pookel posted:So I asked my ex about that WH Fantasy thing and he says he's seen the rules and talked to the local players who have read them (and are excited) and there's none of that monkeycheese bullshit in there. Googling some phrases quoted here led me to this thread and to 1d4chan, and nothing else. So I'm going to say it's probably fake. All from the official rules page at http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/age-of-sigmar-compendiums From the Demons of Chaos compendium: p.29 The Mask of Slaanesh: The Endless Dance: If you are dancing while rolling the dice for the Masque’s attacks in the combat phase, you can reroll any failed hit rolls. If, at any point, you can coerce your opponent to join in, you can re-roll any failed wound rolls as well. From the Orks Compendium: p. 8 Waaagh! Drummer Models in this unit may be Waaagh! Drummers. You can add 2 to the charge rolls of a unit that includes any Waaagh! Drummers, but only if you bellow ‘Waaagh!’ when rolling the dice. From the Vampire Counts Compendium: p.9 One Bat Short of a Belfry: Konrad is a violent lunatic, and his temper does little to help his stretched sanity. If, during your hero phase, you talk to Konrad von Carstein, you can re-roll all hit rolls of 1 for him until your next hero phase. If Konrad von Carstein talks back to you, re-roll all failed hit rolls instead. Yep, they're all real.
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Stuntman posted:I'm not gonna read through WH bullshit to confirm or deny, but all the poo poo's available here so you can check if it's fake or not. Yeah, I don't want to read all of them, but I went through the Skaven, Empire, and High Elves books, and saw no sign of monkeycheese, just your standard grognard stuff: quote:Light of Banishment: The holy light
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My former roommate who had a short run selling Cutco just popped up online with her new plan, selling some sort of cloth that cleans everything with just water. No chemicals needed! I don't know why she keeps falling for this stuff.
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Karma Monkey posted:I thought the whole Amway thing was dead now. Guess not. Yes. Dead to the tune of $12 billion in sales last year. It's baffling.
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pookel posted:So I asked my ex about that WH Fantasy thing and he says he's seen the rules and talked to the local players who have read them (and are excited) and there's none of that monkeycheese bullshit in there. Googling some phrases quoted here led me to this thread and to 1d4chan, and nothing else. So I'm going to say it's probably fake. http://imgur.com/a/V0gND Monkeycheese is very alive in both WH FB and WH40K.
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Jul 6, 2015 03:14
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I binge read a massive amount of posts to catch up and I remember a toilet paper commercial specifically about the existential despair of a little ceramic decoration praying for death. Can anyone help me find the page? It's not in my youtube history and I can't remember the brand to search for. And Googling toilet paper begging for death is not so helpful.
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Zaphod42 posted:http://imgur.com/a/V0gND That doesn't sound like fun anymore.
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