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Xenomrph posted:gonna strongly disagree, the stop motion Ray Harryhausen endoskeleton has always looked bad, especially when compared to the practical endoskeleton puppet used in the very same movie. Near indestructible yes, but it's visibly damaged - it's walking with a pronounced lunging limp. Just like the stop motion. The fabric of the film mirrors its halting motion. e: to expand... while the terminator is plausibly disguised as a real person, the special effects are "good" (ie real-looking). When he's exposed as a pretend robot, the special effects become "bad" (ie fake-looking). By the time he's limping after Kyle and Sarah at the end, the film is likewise on the verge of breakdown. It rules! Popcorn fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Rewatching the ending if T1 made me remember how awesome that final scene is with the endoskeleton, even if it's not the best FX. The sound of the terminator moving, crawling, stomping around, dragging it's foot, is almost as scary as the terminator himself. By sound I mean the hydraulic screeches, the motor whirring sounds, that stuff. That movie really made a terminator seem menacing and horrifying, something the other movies didn't quite capture outside of the T1000 in T2. The Shep fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Jul 6, 2015 23:53
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Cop gay. So What posted:Rewatching the ending if T1 made me remember how awesome that final scene is with the endoskeleton, even if it's not the best FX. The sound of the terminator moving, crawling, stomping around, dragging it's foot, is almost as scary as the terminator himself. By sound I mean the hydraulic screeches, the motor whirring sounds, that stuff. The lasting icon of the terminator is still the scary endoskeleton, so it's kind of weird it only meaningfully appears in T1. Arnie's been a loveable doofus in every Terminator appearance since. Here's my question based on the last time I watched T2. Why does Arnie give the thumbs up when he's descending into the lava? I mean the boring explanation is he's saying "everything's OK!!", but really, why? What does it have to do with anything? It would make sense if it were one of the human gestures John teaches him, but it isn't. It isn't even in the special extended edition. And then I checked the script out of curiosity, and hey! there it is. But the fact that it isn't in the extended cut suggests they didn't even shoot it. I wonder why not.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:05
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PerilPastry posted:How was Emilia Clarke in this? Not bad given she had almost nothing to really work with.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:07
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in 20 years the people that grew up during the worst of the early 2000s bad cgi era will be posting on their outer space future message boards about how important to the movie they watched when they were 13 had bad cgi.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:13
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Popcorn posted:The lasting icon of the terminator is still the scary endoskeleton, so it's kind of weird it only meaningfully appears in T1. Arnie's been a loveable doofus in every Terminator appearance since. T4 and T5 both have good, tense endoskeleton scenes, though the one in T5 is about 10 seconds long like every other scene in the movie. Nothing in T3 is menacing. T5 doesn't dwell on anything long enough for it to be menacing or unsettling, except for Connor, who's mostly just annoying.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Not bad given she had almost nothing to really work with. A situation she's familiar with in Game of Thrones.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:17
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Breakfast All Day posted:T4 and T5 both have good, tense endoskeleton scenes, though the one in T5 is about 10 seconds long like every other scene in the movie. I'm going to come clean - despite posting in a thread called "Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation discussion" I completely forgot that they made any more films after T3. I haven't seen them. I rewatched T3 again recently. It reminded me of Men in Black.
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Popcorn posted:I rewatched T3 again recently. It reminded me of Men in Black. 
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Popcorn posted:Here's my question based on the last time I watched T2. Why does Arnie give the thumbs up when he's descending into the lava? I mean the boring explanation is he's saying "everything's OK!!", but really, why? What does it have to do with anything? He's learned enough of being human to let Jon that it's ok. It's important for him as he's bounded as a father figure from their experiences together. This new Terminator movie would've been a shitload better if they didn't reveal loving everything in the trailers. Also it would've been shitloads better if they all lost in the end but then the machine learns a little bit what it is to be human much like Arnold has learned not to terminate humans. Then it'd sacrifice itself to wipe out Conner and that'd be cool since Conner is what's supposed to save humanity from the machines and it's now the machines that wipe out Conner to save humanity. Buckwheat Sings fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 00:45
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Immortan posted:Genisys opened strongly with $85M overseas alone and it hasn't even rolled out in Germany, Japan, or China yet. $130M Worldwide so far. Go Arnie! I wonder how CineD will accept having to put Genesys and Fury Road into the same "wet fart domestically, made its money back internationally" box.
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Popcorn posted:Here's my question based on the last time I watched T2. Why does Arnie give the thumbs up when he's descending into the lava? I mean the boring explanation is he's saying "everything's OK!!", but really, why? What does it have to do with anything? I distinctly remember John flashing a thumb's up at I think Enrique's. e: "of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up" at this point John flashes the T-800 a thumb's up, the T-800 reciprocates VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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MisterBibs posted:I wonder how CineD will accept having to put Genesys and Fury Road into the same "wet fart domestically, made its money back internationally" box. They'll probably ignore it in favor of Jurassic World making ungodly amounts of cash.
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Popcorn posted:Near indestructible yes, but it's visibly damaged - it's walking with a pronounced lunging limp. Just like the stop motion. The fabric of the film mirrors its halting motion. quote:e: to expand... while the terminator is plausibly disguised as a real person, the special effects are "good" (ie real-looking). When he's exposed as a pretend robot, the special effects become "bad" (ie fake-looking). By the time he's limping after Kyle and Sarah at the end, the film is likewise on the verge of breakdown. It rules! Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 02:19
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Is it really a point of contention that the stop motion/animatronic sequences in Terminator don't really hold up? I don't think it is. Everything involving Arnold in his apartment is downright comical, some of it intentionally so.
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SuperMechaGodzilla posted:Since all previous Terminator films are about different modes of perceiving the present day, this film's innovation is the sheer number of modes. Incidentally, just because I'm watching T2 now, I like how you couldn't be bothered to actually find a shot of the picture in Sarah's hands in T1 while talking about it. John Connor's in the background and his friend is holding it. I don't really care what you have to say about it I just noticed it. 
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Jul 7, 2015 02:39
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RBA Starblade posted:Incidentally, just because I'm watching T2 now, I like how you couldn't be bothered to actually find a shot of the picture in Sarah's hands in T1. John Connor's in the background and his friend is holding it. I just went to the end of T1 and yes it's the same-looking width as the version they present in T2 from John's duffel.
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ruby idiot railed posted:I just went to the end of T1 and yes it's the same-looking width as the version they present in T2 in John's hands. I still don't really care what he has to say about it, I just noticed that it was a still from a different movie and I was surprised I realized it. It was in the back of my head until I recalled the thread.
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Jul 7, 2015 02:43
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RBA Starblade posted:I still don't really care what he has to say about it, I just noticed that it was a still from a different movie and I was surprised I realized it. It was in the back of my head until I recalled the thread. Actually I lied, I got the 2 mixed up. The thin border photograph is the version from John's duffel. The copy from the end of T1 has the same border width as the one they burned for Reese's dream sequence from when they were hiding in the ditch.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Is it really a point of contention that the stop motion/animatronic sequences in Terminator don't really hold up? I don't think it is. Everything involving Arnold in his apartment is downright comical, some of it intentionally so. I love how he taps his hair a bit after he puts the sunglasses on.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Is it really a point of contention that the stop motion/animatronic sequences in Terminator don't really hold up? I don't think it is. Everything involving Arnold in his apartment is downright comical, some of it intentionally so. Outside of "gently caress you rear end in a top hat" I don't see how. It makes perfect sense for a infiltration robot to be able to infiltrate perfectly. Which mostly like means having a base of operations to recuperate and restock. (The hair thing is pretty funny though, I'll give ya that.) Also, the stop motion is loving awesome and looks more visually interesting than the Connorbot.
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My favorite part of "gently caress you rear end in a top hat" is that "gently caress you" was also an option.
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RBA Starblade posted:My favorite part of "gently caress you rear end in a top hat" is that "gently caress you" was also an option. And IIRC on the list it came AFTER "gently caress you rear end in a top hat".
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Jul 7, 2015 03:20
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When it comes to picking the right thing to say, always pick something said by Bill Paxton.
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ruby idiot railed posted:The thin border photograph is the version from John's duffel. The copy from the end of T1 has the same border width as the one they burned for Reese's dream sequence from when they were hiding in the ditch. Right; the photo was cropped between films, so it can't be the same one.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right; the photo was cropped between films, so it can't be the same one. Blame the PA who hosed it up.
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PerilPastry posted:How was Emilia Clarke in this? Cute and charming, all she needed was some Ace bandage and she could've played the 9 year old Sarah Connor they kept referring to.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right; the photo was cropped between films, so it can't be the same one. Or it's a fuckup by the props department.
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CelticPredator posted:When it comes to picking the right thing to say, always pick something said by Bill Duke.
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Jul 7, 2015 04:45
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Bill Paxton said it first, dawg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv0Jc4ziS-U
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My issue with the Connorbot was that they didn't even know what they wanted it to be. The endoskeleton and, dare I say the T1000, are both plausible in a sci-fi future sense but the connorbot strains my ability to suspend disbelief. In one scene, the connorbot struggles to remove himself from being impaled against a wall while the following scenes clearly show he can basically teleport short distances by breaking down his magnetic particles into a cloud of... nanobots? Why did he struggle to dis-impale himself if he could just deconstruct on a whim? There are no reasons for the actions of connorbot outside what the plot requires.
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Cop gay. So What posted:My issue with the Connorbot was that they didn't even know what they wanted it to be. The endoskeleton and, dare I say the T1000, are both plausible in a sci-fi future sense but the connorbot strains my ability to suspend disbelief. I got the feeling from the hospital scenes that he hadn't fully realized what he could do as a nanomachine-man and was effectively learning as he went.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Cute and charming, all she needed was some Ace bandage and she could've played the 9 year old Sarah Connor they kept referring to. Her face is child-like and her demeanor is too soft to play a woman who has been preparing for war since was a child.
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Shima Honnou posted:I got the feeling from the hospital scenes that he hadn't fully realized what he could do as a nanomachine-man and was effectively learning as he went. He also experienced pain, or thought he did or was "recalling" it. I bet blowing yourself apart is a bad time in face of that.
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Rhyno posted:Or it's a fuckup by the props department. Right, and it's a fuckup that helps illustrates the fact that time travel isn't actually real. What Terminator presents as 'time travel' is a bunch of imaginary silliness that serves a story function similar to the ability to travel through phone lines in The Matrix. "The idea of passing from reality to VR through the phone makes sense, since all we need is a gap/hole through which one can escape. (Perhaps, an even better solution would have been the toilet: is not the domain where excrements vanish after we flush the toilet effectively one of the metaphors for the horrifyingly-sublime Beyond of the primordial, pre-ontological Chaos into which things disappear? Although we rationally know what goes on with the excrements, the imaginary mystery nonetheless persists - poo poo remains an excess with does not fit our daily reality, and Lacan was right in claiming that we pass from animals to humans the moment an animal has problems with what to do with its excrements, the moment they turn into an excess that annoys it. The Real is thus not primarily the horrifyingly-disgusting stuff reemerging from the toilet sink, but rather the hole itself, the gap which serves as the passage to a different ontological order - the topological hole or torsion which "curves" the space of our reality so that we perceive/imagine excrements as disappearing into an alternative dimension which is not part of our everyday reality.)" "This is true multiculturalism, this acknowledgement that the only way to pass to the Other's world is through what, in our world, appears as the poo poo exit, as the hole into the dark domain, excluded from our everyday reality, into which excrements disappear." -Zizek The 'time-portals' in this film function simultaneously as tunnels between worlds (allowing for the same 'multicultural' romance as in the original Terminator 1, Avatar, Titanic, etc.) and as a drain into which the villain is flushed at the end of the film. This has always been the case: when Reese enters the portal in T1, he's some highly respected military guy. In the world he emerges into, he's a homeless crazy person. Nothing about Reese has changed. It's entirely perception. The joke in Genysis is that - in 2017 - the excessive Others who disrupt our way of life have evolved from 'crazy homeless people' to 'terrorists'. Cop gay. So What posted:My issue with the Connorbot was that they didn't even know what they wanted it to be. The endoskeleton and, dare I say the T1000, are both plausible in a sci-fi future sense but the connorbot strains my ability to suspend disbelief. The strut that impaled him was electrified by the broken television. Being electrocuted messed him up until he could pull himself free.
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Connor also doesn't display the full breadth of his capabilities until he's dropped the facade of trying to appear human.
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I do recall connor going through a "rebirth" as it were so I can get behind what you guys are saying, good observations there. I wonder if Connors conscience lives on in genisys, otherwise the first film just squandered one of the more interesting concepts to build on in the sequels.
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It doesn't really matter since he probably doesn't exist any more.
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Cop gay. So What posted:I've always wondered, were the terrible FX from T1 (arnold rubber mask and stop motion t-800) simply the best they could do at the time or were they budget compromises? Xenomrph posted:If I remember right, they used a puppet Arnold head, not a rubber mask. From what I've heard, stop-motion T-800 was not a budget compromise. James Cameron got his start doing stop-motion and he was compelled to do that. Rumor has it was an homage to Ray Harryhausen's Jason And The Argonauts skeleton fight. Basebf555 posted:The best proof of the genius of Stan Winston is everything that went into the creation of the Alien queen. The vision required to even attempt to build the full-size skeleton is unparalleled; there's nobody working today on big budget films who'd consider trying it. The whole thing could have been a bust at any point in the production, and Winston was working with one of the most demanding directors Hollywood's ever seen. He knew he could make it work though, and that Cameron had all the tricks in his bag necessary to do it justice. Supposedly, Stan Winston's right arm when he built the Alien Queen puppet was Stephen Norrington, of Blade and, unfortunately, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Norrington even used his expertise on building the Queen on his directorial debut, Death Machine, where there's a similar sized puppet for the Frontline Morale Destroyer. He's also responsible for the Mark XIII robot in Hardware. Dude's constantly building giant loving puppets.
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ruby idiot railed posted:I distinctly remember John flashing a thumb's up at I think Enrique's. Yep. John teaches T800 the various iterations of high fives, then the thumbs up and half smile (which next appears when T800 finds the minigun)
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